Close enough again?

[Osiris]

Correct comments would have been:

1) Had Gabe not broken stride and slowed down...

2) Had the Browns blocked the outside rusher on a FG attempt for the first time in the history of the game...

3) Had the snap not been low...

4) Had the CBs not read this board for years and complaints of playing too soft...

 

I had to reach for that last one... but the first three were made easy by reality.

 

My take on picks is you have to run through them, go down to the ground if need be to draw attention to them. Only way they are going to be called these days. Certainly won't be called if players try to run around them...

 

I think you're splitting hairs, but I think we agree.

 

1. Don't have the replay in front of me, but I think either scenario (better route running or better pass) ends up in a TD.

2. The ravens did overload that side of the line, the commentators even said as much. Regardless, yes, they should've blocked it better.

3. I'm not convinced Cundiff hits that 50 yard field goal regardless of the snap.

[Tour2ma]

I think you're splitting hairs, but I think we agree.

 

1. Don't have the replay in front of me, but I think either scenario (better route running or better pass) ends up in a TD.

2. The ravens did overload that side of the line, the commentators even said as much. Regardless, yes, they should've blocked it better.

3. I'm not convinced Cundiff hits that 50 yard field goal regardless of the snap.

I'm sure we don't agree...

1. The pass was fine.

2. The outside rusher is never blocked.

3. The snap may not be to blame, but it did not help. Based upon distance the contact was solid, but the flight was "funny" suggesting the hold may have been "off".

[Osiris]

I'm sure we don't agree...

1. The pass was fine.

2. The outside rusher is never blocked.

3. The snap may not be to blame, but it did not help. Based upon distance the contact was solid, but the flight was "funny" suggesting the hold may have been "off".

 

Okay, my bad. I still don't think the pass was fine but I didn't know the outside rush is never blocked. Still think Cundiff sucks.

[Tour2ma]

Okay, my bad. I still don't think the pass was fine but I didn't know the outside rush is never blocked. Still think Cundiff sucks.

Nah... no bad... all good...

 

I thought the pass was bad as well until I watched a replay of the play of the play... if that makes sense. It's only in the field view replay that you can see when Gabe slows his route.

[D Bone]

You must be completed right.

It worked like a charm.

 

WSS

 

I am right. Do the "time" math. If we had run the ball on 3rd and 7 with 2:08 left 1 of 2 things would have happened:

 

1) We get the first down, the clock stops at 2:00, game is over. (Same as the pass play.... Which play do you think has a better chance of gaining 7yds - run or pass?)

 

2) They stop us short. We don't get the 1st down and the clock stops at 2:00. We then punt, which usually takes 8 seconds (5 for snap and kick hang time, and 3 for the tackle) and the clock stops on change of possession. That means the Ravens would have gotten the ball at the 50ish with 1:52 seconds left, instead of the 1:56 that they had after the incomplete pass.

 

If you think those 4 seconds were the reason we lost the game, then you need to learn a little more about game day and clock management. Now if you think a run had a better chance of gaining 7 yds when compared to a pass, well that's your opinion and that I can live with, even if you're still wrong.

[Westside Steve]

 

I am right. Do the "time" math. If we had run the ball on 3rd and 7 with 2:08 left 1 of 2 things would have happened:

 

1) We get the first down, the clock stops at 2:00, game is over. (Same as the pass play.... Which play do you think has a better chance of gaining 7yds - run or pass?)

 

2) They stop us short. We don't get the 1st down and the clock stops at 2:00. We then punt, which usually takes 8 seconds (5 for snap and kick hang time, and 3 for the tackle) and the clock stops on change of possession. That means the Ravens would have gotten the ball at the 50ish with 1:52 seconds left, instead of the 1:56 that they had after the incomplete pass.

 

If you think those 4 seconds were the reason we lost the game, then you need to learn a little more about game day and clock management. Now if you think a run had a better chance of gaining 7 yds when compared to a pass, well that's your opinion and that I can live with, even if you're still wrong.

Yeah maybe a running play would not have a better chance of getting more than 0 yards.

So that's your opinion?

WSS

[D Bone]

Yeah maybe a running play would not have a better chance of getting more than 0 yards.

So that's your opinion?

WSS

 

I'm trying to teach you something. Maybe you try and learn? Yes, it's my opinion that a run play on 3rd and 7, with the time left and 2 minute warning upcoming, would not likely gain enough yardage for the 1st down. A pass in that situation stood the best chance of gaining 7 yds and sealing the victory, and obviously an NFL coach agrees with me.

 

That being said, you're right about one thing, in the end it didn't work. Would a draw play have worked? We'll never know. But saying the pass play was wrong because of "time" is just a lack of football knowledge.

[Westside Steve]

 

I'm trying to teach you something. Maybe you try and learn? Yes, it's my opinion that a run play on 3rd and 7, with the time left and 2 minute warning upcoming, would not likely gain enough yardage for the 1st down. A pass in that situation stood the best chance of gaining 7 yds and sealing the victory, and obviously an NFL coach agrees with me.

 

That being said, you're right about one thing, in the end it didn't work. Would a draw play have worked? We'll never know. But saying the pass play was wrong because of "time" is just a lack of football knowledge.

Look the defense and special teams lost the fucking game. But letting Brian Hoyer throw the ball exactly where the Ravens defense expected it to be thrown like the Steelers a couple weeks ago did not work.

 

WSS

[Westside Steve]

also you are probably right about the clock not making that much difference as far as running or passing.

still I would have gone with the run since it was working and especially a draw play for the last one.

you may doubt it would have been better but maybe and could not have been worse

 

WSS

[tml1138]

I'm sure we don't agree...

1. The pass was fine.

2. The outside rusher is never blocked.

3. The snap may not be to blame, but it did not help. Based upon distance the contact was solid, but the flight was "funny" suggesting the hold may have been "off".

 

1. I agree, Gabriel slowed up a tad and had to adjust, and causing himself to trip. I see that one.

2. Serious question here: if the outside rusher is never blocked, what exactly went "wrong" then?

3. It was a really windy day, yet I didn't notice it much from where my seat is in the stadium. I saw the goal posts flags moving but they weren't going crazy. A few times the posts were waving around on the dawg pound end, which is where Cundiff missed the 50 yarder. Any opinions on that? I heard that Cundiff is saying the stadium improvements have affected conditions for kicking.

[D Bone]

also you are probably right about the clock not making that much difference as far as running or passing.

still I would have gone with the run since it was working and especially a draw play for the last one.

you may doubt it would have been better but maybe and could not have been worse

 

WSS

 

Like I said, if the argument is you think a run would've been the better option in terms of purely picking up the 7yds, then I'm OK with that. I myself liked the play call, just hated the bad/tipped (not sure?) pass and then the "non-catch" of a tough, but catchable pass. If the catch is made for the 1st down, for the next 2 weeks, we're all pounding our chests and saying "we finally have a coach with balls" lol.

[Tour2ma]

2. Serious question here: if the outside rusher is never blocked, what exactly went "wrong" then?

I have nothing better to offer than Jackson made his rush of a lifetime... It's not like he's a 4.3 guy or anything (4.5+ I think), and his 10-yard split did not strike me as remarkable either.

 

I broke it down in a post somewhere, but he moved on the snap a full four frames (IIRC) of DVR slo-mo before any other player twitched aside from our snapper.

 

Jackson rushed low and hard (a start Usan Bolt would be proud of) and tight. He beat our best time of the day from snap-start to kick-away.

 

He may never block another.

 

I don't think I mentioned before that he barely got one hand on the ball. No solice whatsoever since it was more than enough to kill the try, but the ball still traveled forward 20 yards or so from the spot.

[brnfan16]

We won one game. Manziel?

To do what?... Hoyer is doing what we hoped he would. We had 2 great chances in the 4th to put the ratbirds away and we can't even make a field goal to pull out the win. All on the D for that goose egg. Hate this long 2 weeks...