OldBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Ohio has just sent a bill to Governor Kasich’s desk that would restrict abortion once the heartbeat of a child is detected. USA TODAY – Ohio would have the country’s most restrictive abortion laws under a bill sent to Gov. John Kasich on Tuesday, as leading Republicans were emboldened by the anticipation of Donald Trump’s upcoming federal and Supreme court appointments. If signed by Kasich, the so-called “heartbeat bill” would ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which can be as early as six weeks’ gestation. The proposal would not exempt pregnancies resulting from rape or incest, but does include an exception for an abortion to save the life of the pregnant woman. The change would put the state in violation of current constitutional standards for abortion rights. For years, Kasich, leading Republican senators and Ohio Right to Life have cited its unconstitutionality as their reason for opposing the heartbeat measure. Federal courts have struck down similar laws in North Dakota and Arkansas. Senate President Keith Faber, a Republican from Celina, Ohio, even suggested last year that supporters of the heartbeat bill ultimately were undermining efforts “to save babies.” On Tuesday, Senate Republicans changed course. Faber cited Trump’s election to the presidency as justification for his change of heart, saying the effort could have a shot in the courts with Trump’s appointees. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that states cannot prohibit abortions unless a fetus is viable outside the womb, generally accepted as 24 weeks’ gestation. So for people like Cuomo, they hate religion as a basis for restricting abortion. Apparently science is the only answer for them. But guess what? This is science! If there’s a detectable heartbeat, then that means it is definitely a child. 1+1=2. And if you remember, scientists have found that a baby’s heartbeat can now be detected as early as 16 days! I really hope Kasich signs this bill and does it with a huge ceremony. It’s a great bill, and although will be challenged in the courts, we have to keep fighting to end this scourge of abortion as quickly as possible. http://therightscoop.com/awesome-ohio-passes-heartbeat-bill-restricting-abortion-heartbeat-detected/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Yea now they will drive to MI or PA to get an abortion. 6 weeks might as well be a complete ban, that's barely enough time to even know you're pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Ohio has just sent a bill to Governor Kasich’s desk that would restrict abortion once the heartbeat of a child is detected. USA TODAY – Ohio would have the country’s most restrictive abortion laws under a bill sent to Gov. John Kasich on Tuesday, as leading Republicans were emboldened by the anticipation of Donald Trump’s upcoming federal and Supreme court appointments. If signed by Kasich, the so-called “heartbeat bill” would ban abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which can be as early as six weeks’ gestation. The proposal would not exempt pregnancies resulting from rape or incest, but does include an exception for an abortion to save the life of the pregnant woman. The change would put the state in violation of current constitutional standards for abortion rights. For years, Kasich, leading Republican senators and Ohio Right to Life have cited its unconstitutionality as their reason for opposing the heartbeat measure. Federal courts have struck down similar laws in North Dakota and Arkansas. Senate President Keith Faber, a Republican from Celina, Ohio, even suggested last year that supporters of the heartbeat bill ultimately were undermining efforts “to save babies.” On Tuesday, Senate Republicans changed course. Faber cited Trump’s election to the presidency as justification for his change of heart, saying the effort could have a shot in the courts with Trump’s appointees. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that states cannot prohibit abortions unless a fetus is viable outside the womb, generally accepted as 24 weeks’ gestation. So for people like Cuomo, they hate religion as a basis for restricting abortion. Apparently science is the only answer for them. But guess what? This is science! If there’s a detectable heartbeat, then that means it is definitely a child. 1+1=2. And if you remember, scientists have found that a baby’s heartbeat can now be detected as early as 16 days! I really hope Kasich signs this bill and does it with a huge ceremony. It’s a great bill, and although will be challenged in the courts, we have to keep fighting to end this scourge of abortion as quickly as possible. http://therightscoop.com/awesome-ohio-passes-heartbeat-bill-restricting-abortion-heartbeat-detected/ Great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 I wonder if Kasich can muster the courage to sign it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Thats fine. If some dude raped my daughter she'd be getting an abortion no matter what (if that was her choice ofc). Heartbeat or not anyone standing in that way would get a good dose of ohios 2nd amendment protections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Its gonna come to that eventually. Some rapist is gonna sue in court to stop his victim from getting an abortion and now we might as well pray to mecca 5 times a day. Gun battles coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Cleve. if someone gets raped, there is no heartbeat for weeks. Stop spouting and spewing off nonsense when you don't know what you are talking about All you had to do was read the freaking original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Is there an exemption for rape in the bill or not? Scenario, tje woman is beaten and raped and is hospitalized for weeks but retains the pregnancy. By tje time she's lucid and is told she's pregnant from a gang rape, theres a heartbeat.....you know full well our modern bureacracy prolongs this case indefinitely. And then it'll be high time for war. We ditched the paradigm of species propagation through rape and forced coersion long ago. Wr're not going back. I was fine with a ban on late term, but this is way over on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Federal courts will shoot it down. Rinse and repeat. But at least some GOP politicians will have earned some brownie points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 God just do the sensible thing and form a compromise. Abortions shouldn't be fed subsidized so right leaning peopl can wash their hands of it. But beyond that its legal. Why can we not just leave it at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 God just do the sensible thing and form a compromise. Abortions shouldn't be fed subsidized so right leaning peopl can wash their hands of it. But beyond that its legal. Why can we not just leave it at that? I believe life starts at conception. A cutoff that after a baby has a beating heart seems a reasonable compromise to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Morning After Pill Info - 24/7 Help After Unprotected Sex Adwww.optionline.org/(800) 712-4357 Explore All Your Pregnancy Options. Highlights: Pregnancy Tests, Some Limited Ultrasounds… Abortion Information Morning After Pill For Friends Contact Us Pregnant? what next? you are going to rant about "what if an alien from Mars comes here, and they give you a blood transfusion of his green blood...and..." https://youtu.be/OjYoNL4g5Vg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 I wonder how far this one will get? Further than the 'ohio heartbeat bill 2013' or '...2014'? Maybe as far as ones in other states that have promptly been determined to be unconstitutional. But yay for rabble rousing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 I believe life starts at conception. A cutoff that after a baby has a beating heart seems a reasonable compromise to me. Ur still telling someone whatbthey can and cant do with their own bodies, whether that happens the day after or 8 montjs down the road no difference. Some abortions happen very late term because complications arise and the couple wants to secure their ability to have more children in the future. The list of valid unselfish reasons is long. But conservatives want to act as if every abortion happens because of he woman just doesnt feel like it. Those abortions are the ones that happen before the babys heartbeat. So this law only fucks with the women who want to have children but have to terminate a preg due to complications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 God just do the sensible thing and form a compromise. Abortions shouldn't be fed subsidized so right leaning peopl can wash their hands of it. But beyond that its legal. Why can we not just leave it at that? Religious righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 <p> Morning After Pill Info - 24/7 Help After Unprotected Sex Adwww.optionline.org/(800) 712-4357 Explore All Your Pregnancy Options. Highlights: Pregnancy Tests, Some Limited Ultrasounds Abortion Information Morning After Pill For Friends Contact Us Pregnant? what next? you are going to rant about "what if an alien from Mars comes here, and they give you a blood transfusion of his green blood...and..." Actually misidentification, or a general unawareness, of pregnancy are fairly common; many women would not even know they're pregnant till well after the 6th week: http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/issues/10-reasons-you-might-not-know-you-are-pregnant.htm Yet another law based more in religious hysteria and not really in science at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 I wonder how far this one will get? Further than the 'ohio heartbeat bill 2013' or '...2014'? Maybe as far as ones in other states that have promptly been determined to be unconstitutional. But yay for rabble rousing.Exactly. Most of the so called "heartbeat bills" have either died in subcommittee, been vetoed by governors, or - if passed - been struck down as unconstitutional by the lower courts and the Supreme Court: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_heartbeat_billThere is ample legal precedent to strike this law down if passed, and the Ohio GOP know it. They're just trying to pander to their Bible-thumping constituents at this point. To be frank, this is one of those issues where no one side will get their way; neither side will agree to a total abortion ban (or an effective ban, like this bill, nor will they accept unrestricted abortions for all. At the end of the day, politically-wise, the best solution will be one where no one is truly happy about the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Theology >> science... at least as long as it is the right theology... But on the science side... the human fetal heart is not recognizable as a "heart" until roughly 10 weeks gestation. That's roughly when the 4th and final chamber forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Ur still telling someone whatbthey can and cant do with their own bodies, whether that happens the day after or 8 montjs down the road no difference. Some abortions happen very late term because complications arise and the couple wants to secure their ability to have more children in the future. The list of valid unselfish reasons is long. But conservatives want to act as if every abortion happens because of he woman just doesnt feel like it. Those abortions are the ones that happen before the babys heartbeat. So this law only fucks with the women who want to have children but have to terminate a preg due to complications The difference is this is a separate human being and most abortions are out done of convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 The difference is this is a separate human being and most abortions are out done of convenience. Most, but not all, and the ones who would slip through the cracks - like rape victims and mother's who fetuses show extreme genetic abnormalities - would be the ones who would pay the price for this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Most, but not all, and the ones who would slip through the cracks - like rape victims and mother's who fetuses show extreme genetic abnormalities - would be the ones who would pay the price for this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Most, but not all, and the ones who would slip through the cracks - like rape victims and mother's who fetuses show extreme genetic abnormalities - would be the ones who would pay the price for this bill. That is why I said "most, but not all" in the first place, OBF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 That is why I said "most, but not all" in the first place, OBF. And I was pointing out "most" is a small number compared to the vast number of abortions done for convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 And I was pointing out "most" is a small number compared to the vast number of abortions done for convenience. I only see 24% of that list as pure convenience and that last 8% could be debated. That 24% doesn't take into account the 4% labeled as other either as I'm not going to guess what other may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 I would say that at least 90% could be labeled convenience, just a bunch of different euphemisms to make it seem like there are more reasons. That doesn't necessarily mean convenience is an invalid reason but come on, who wants to admit that? Nobody wants to think of themselves as irresponsible slugs. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted December 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 I only see 24% of that list as pure convenience and that last 8% could be debated. That 24% doesn't take into account the 4% labeled as other either as I'm not going to guess what other may be. I see much more than that. It is not even up for debate most abortions are done for convenience: 99.31% of Abortions Done for Convenience, Not Health Sometimes pro-choicers argue that abortion must be legal because women often have health problems that make it impossible to carry a pregnancy to term.. Also, they say that many unborn babies that are aborted were deformed or defective in some way. Putting aside the issues that many abortionists have said there are no true reasons why women need an abortion for her health and that many of the babies aborted for defect have manageable illnesses like down syndrome, the vast majority of abortions are for elective reasons. These reasons include a mother not wanting the child interfere with her career, not wanting to be single mother, not wanting to put her baby up for adoption, or simply not wanting another child. Here are the statistics: from 1980 to 2000 – 99.31% of abortions annually were for non-therapeutic reasons 5460 were for health of mother — that is .36% 3640 were for fetal defects — that is .24% 1,506,770 are for social cases- that is 99.31% Marybeth T. Hagan “Abortion: a Mother’s Plea for Maternity and the Unborn” (Liguori, Missouri: Triumph) 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 0% chance of being signed into law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Yeah, health isn't my major concern here. It's the ability of the mother/parent to care for their child and help to raise them into productive members of society. If the mother can't afford to take care of herself, how is she supposed to take care of a child as well? If the mother isn't mature enough to take on the responsibility of becoming a mother, what's the likelihood the child grows into a mature and productive human being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 So inadequate financials to raise a child is labeled under "convenience"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 7, 2016 Report Share Posted December 7, 2016 Most, but not all, and the ones who would slip through the cracks - like rape victims and mother's who fetuses show extreme genetic abnormalities - would be the ones who would pay the price for this bill. If only we had more women raising babies that can't afford them, aren't mature enough to raise them, or don't have a support network around them. That'll fix everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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