Chad Kelly Vrs Mitch Trubisky

[tiamat63]

No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard.

Never tossed on some Biggie I take?

[The Gipper]

 

It's not the quality of the performance.

 

It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags.

 

Zombo

Don't care. So did the 1985 Chicago Bears. No red flag there now, was there?

[The Gipper]

 

"Chad Kelly on the field, yeah, you know it's swag/Touchdown every time that he throw a pass/He might just take off like he Michael Vick/Shake you for the touchdown, yeah, you know he sick."

 

"New York state Player of the Year boi/Ain't a team that a Chad Kelly fear boi/2012, Clemson, it's the year boi/It's the eye of the tiger up in here boi."

 

.....It's worse than any other rap song I've heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM44FRAcLTM

[The Gipper]

 

 

Had enough of QB's more interested in being famous than being professional football players. Wouldn't bring this asshat in as an undrafted free agent, let alone using a draft pick on him.

I don't know. Worked out for Joe Namath.

[Zombo]

Don't care. So did the 1985 Chicago Bears. No red flag there now, was there?

 

I think you need to get away from the rap song and read about the kid.

 

And then look at the QBS that are successful in the NFL and compare.

 

Zombo

[Mark O]

I don't know. Worked out for Joe Namath.

 

 

Yeah...and how did Johnny cokehead work out for us? Ryan Leaf was more interested in partying than being a QB. Many many many examples. I'll take the guy who's boring as fuck and wants to do nothing but play QB in the NFL over this asshat.

[calfoxwc]

I wouldn't sign chad kelly as a UDFA. Simple as that.

[Flugel]

 

 

Yeah...and how did Johnny cokehead work out for us? Ryan Leaf was more interested in partying than being a QB. Many many many examples. I'll take the guy who's boring as fuck and wants to do nothing but play QB in the NFL over this asshat.

 

So you don't know of any possible QBs we could select after round 1 in this draft?

 

I've repeated a few times in this thread "it's okay if you don't like Chad Kelly" while adding "if this is the case I'd like to hear your ideas of other QBs that may have a comparable skill set to Trubisky after round 1." Thought it might lead to a fun discussion about some potentially better bargains while we could address some immediate defensive impact in round. The goal of this thread wasn't to re-live/remember Johnny Manziel. It was to get us remembering what round the Raiders took Derek Carr or the Seahawks took Russell Wilson or the Dallas Cowboys took Dal Prescott. Seems to me the teams that didn't reach in those drafts got rewarded best. Why can't that be the case in 2017?

 

In this entire thread of countless guys hating the Chad Kelly idea, do we really only have 1 or 2 guys that would like us to consider another QB after round 1? So far, Couch gave me his Homey Mahomes and his next best QB Kaaya from the U; while his favorite unknown is Antonio Pipkin from Tiffin. Gumby mentioned sticking with Kessler and looking to 2018 QB prospects like Garnold, Rosen, Jackson and Allen.

[Mark O]

 

So you don't know of any possible QBs we could select after round 1 in this draft?

 

I've repeated a few times in this thread "it's okay if you don't like Chad Kelly" while adding "if this is the case I'd like to hear your ideas of other QBs that may have a comparable skill set to Trubisky after round 1." Thought it might lead to a fun discussion about some potentially better bargains while we could address some immediate defensive impact in round. The goal of this thread wasn't to re-live/remember Johnny Manziel. It was to get us remembering what round the Raiders took Derek Carr or the Seahawks took Russell Wilson or the Dallas Cowboys took Dal Prescott. Seems to me the teams that didn't reach in those drafts got rewarded best. Why can't that be the case in 2017?

 

In this entire thread of countless guys hating the Chad Kelly idea, do we really only have about 2 guys that would like us to consider another QB after round 1? So far, Couch gave me his Homey Mahomes and his next best QB Kaaya from the U; while his favorite unknown is Antonio Pipkin from Tiffin. Someone else mentioned guys for 2018 like Josh Allen or Sam Garnold.

 

 

No clue about other QB's but I've read enough about this guy to make me scared of the red flags associated with him. So I wouldn't touch him with a 100 foot pole. I'm afraid of any QB making videos about himself....thats my only opinion on him. I've never seen him play but his attitude to me is a red flag.

[gumby73]

underclassman have till midnight tonight to declare to NFL. Baker Mayfield & Luke Falk our the 2 QB's to watch. Josh Allen is not coming out..I favor the 2018 QB draft (which is stacking up nicely) once Kiser comes off the board or FA. Teams get official list "who's in" in hands 1-20

[Flugel]

 

 

No clue about other QB's but I've read enough about this guy to make me scared of the red flags associated with him. So I wouldn't touch him with a 100 foot pole. I'm afraid of any QB making videos about himself....thats my only opinion on him.

 

I understand he scares you as much as he scares others. As the guy who started this thread for the purpose of discussing alternatives to taking Trubisky in round 1 with another QB later, I wasn't asking for your opinion of Kelly. Kelly was my alternative and I wanted to hear what alternatives others had.

 

Again, I've repeated a few times in this thread "it's okay if you don't like Chad Kelly" while adding "if this is the case I'd like to hear your ideas of other QBs that may have a comparable skill set to Trubisky after round 1." Thought it might lead to a fun discussion about some potentially better bargains while we could address some immediate defensive impact in round. The goal of this thread wasn't to re-live/remember Johnny Manziel. It was to get us remembering what round the Raiders took Derek Carr or the Seahawks took Russell Wilson or the Dallas Cowboys took Dal Prescott. Seems to me the teams that didn't reach in those drafts got rewarded best. Why can't that be the case in 2017?

[Mark O]

 

As the guy who started this thread for the purpose of discussing alternatives to Trubisky in round 1, I wasn't asking for your opinion of Kelly. He was my alternative and I wanted to hear what alternatives others had.

 

 

 

 

Then I'll stay out of it since I have no idea on anyone else.

[Flugel]

underclassman have till midnight tonight to declare to NFL. Baker Mayfield & Luke Falk our the 2 QB's to watch. Josh Allen is not coming out..I favor the 2018 QB draft (which is stacking up nicely) once Kiser comes off the board. Teams get official list "who's in" in hands 1-20

 

Interesting Gumby! I wonder what round Mayfield would go in if he came out. He's really exciting but I'm not sure how a lot of the experts will see him projecting at the NFL level.

[Flugel]

 

 

Then I'll stay out of it since I have no idea on anyone else.

 

You know as much as I do Mark. I did this so people could have some fun looking up guys on line. It's a way to get familiar with the QB class more than anything else.

[Flugel]

Flugs, I don't think you can look strictly at stats and point that out as the be all and end all of QB comparisons. If that were the case then we could say that we should take any QB from the Big 12, all of whom probably have better stats than Trubisky or Kelly, since they don't play defense in that conference.

That being said, I would not be against taking a flyer on Kelly at some point.

I have seen where Kelly may last until round 6. I say take MT at #1 AND take Kelly down there. Can't hurt.

 

Good point about the Big 12 Gipper!

 

Before I looked at the stats, I saw the only QB that beat Alabama's National Champion team in 2015. They did it throwing the ball and they scored 43 points doing so. Then I became intrigued enough for the stats and additional highlights. I think I value a QB leading his team to victory over a much more talented team more than stats (ie; Kosar over Nebraska, Joe Montana over Texas, Aaron Rodgers over USC). Why would I do that? If you're going to get sentenced to Cleveland - you're going to be playing better teams almost every week so it's comforting to know if you have landed a guy with a history of beating more talented teams. IMO, this type of pedigree is less apt to be intimidated or in aw of people.

 

I've only seen 2 of Trubisky's starts and both were losses. Do you have a signature win from Trubisky that I should look into? I don't know a lot about him other than what 2 games in his small body of work showed me. There's definitely some things I like that I mentioned previously. Then again, there's the Peyton Manning reasoning for why he felt it was important to go back and play his senior year in terms of him saying he needed all the experience he could get in college before starting in the NFL. And he came from more of a passing offense than Trubisky did.

[gumby73]

 

I wonder what round Mayfield would go in if he came out. He's really exciting but I'm not sure how a lot of the experts will see him projecting at the NFL level.

Mayfield lead everyone in QBR but if most think Trib had numbers check out Luke Falk--447 complete out of 644 attempts.4561 yards.70% completion rate. 38 TD's. but he's a long way from Marion Ohio

[Westside Steve]

 

 

Yeah...and how did Johnny cokehead work out for us? Ryan Leaf was more interested in partying than being a QB. Many many many examples. I'll take the guy who's boring as fuck and wants to do nothing but play QB in the NFL over this asshat.

Yeah, maybe, but there are still plenty of those guys that suck.

 

WSS

[Osiris]

Tom Brady had a well known bath salts problem.

 

He's also been known to squirt Reddi-Wip directly from the can into his mouth while Giselle wasn't looking.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

 

I understand he scares you as much as he scares others. As the guy who started this thread for the purpose of discussing alternatives to taking Trubisky in round 1 with another QB later, I wasn't asking for your opinion of Kelly. Kelly was my alternative and I wanted to hear what alternatives others had.

 

Again, I've repeated a few times in this thread "it's okay if you don't like Chad Kelly" while adding "if this is the case I'd like to hear your ideas of other QBs that may have a comparable skill set to Trubisky after round 1." Thought it might lead to a fun discussion about some potentially better bargains while we could address some immediate defensive impact in round. The goal of this thread wasn't to re-live/remember Johnny Manziel. It was to get us remembering what round the Raiders took Derek Carr or the Seahawks took Russell Wilson or the Dallas Cowboys took Dal Prescott. Seems to me the teams that didn't reach in those drafts got rewarded best. Why can't that be the case in 2017?

 

 

If I had to rank scenarios (that are within the realm of plausibility) that I'd like to see, I'd go:

 

1) Take Kizer at #33 after taking BPA for the first two picks. This would give us two likely instant improvements and a QB project at #33 that, IMO, falls more closely under the "Derek Carr" umbrella than Mahomes does, despite Mahomes getting the Carr comparison often. Personally, I see more NFL-level plays from Kizer than I do Mahomes, but I do like Mahomes' potential in the later rounds.

 

2) Take any of the other two big name guys at #12 if they are available. We'd still be able to get Garrett or someone else at #1.

 

3) Take Trubisky at #1.

 

4) Take BPA for the first three/four picks and then take Mahomes in the third.

 

Regardless of anything, I'd really like us to take a flier on Pipkin in the 6th or so. I'd like to see a 4-man QB stable at TC with RG3, Kessler, rookie QB, Pipkin. Unfortunately, that means saying goodbye to McCown - but I think its necessary.

[The Gipper]

 

I think you need to get away from the rap song and read about the kid.

 

And then look at the QBS that are successful in the NFL and compare.

 

Zombo

I am not saying we should draft him. I am just saying that it wouldn't bother me if they took a late round flyer on him. Certainly nothing in rounds 1-5. And if we take another QB earlier, taking him certainly could be superfluous.

[The Gipper]

underclassman have till midnight tonight to declare to NFL. Baker Mayfield & Luke Falk our the 2 QB's to watch. Josh Allen is not coming out..I favor the 2018 QB draft (which is stacking up nicely) once Kiser comes off the board or FA. Teams get official list "who's in" in hands 1-20

Again, I ask, who is going to be out there next year?

 

Likely the best guys in the 2018 draft are guys that are not on the radar yet. Like Goff and Wentz last year. Trubisky this year. Etc.

[Taco918]

Again, I ask, who is going to be out there next year?

 

Likely the best guys in the 2018 draft are guys that are not on the radar yet. Like Goff and Wentz last year. Trubisky this year. Etc.

Off the top of my head, Josh Rosen out of UCLA, Sam Darnold of USC, Jake Browning out of Washington, Mason Rudolph from the real OSU, and to a lesser extent Lamar Jackson out of Louisville.

[Unsympathetic]

I disagree completely with the notion that either Goff or Wentz are/were "The Best" last year.

 

Goff - looks like an epic bust for Rams, right up there with JaMarcus Russell / Ryan Leaf. More of a bust than the JFF pick..

 

Wentz, per PFF, was the worst QB in the league after week 7.

 

If that's your comparison, you don't want Trubisky in that sentence..

 

 

Also, time to congratulate [and change opinions on] the FO: They were CORRECT to trade out of the 2 last year..

[The Gipper]

Off the top of my head, Josh Rosen out of UCLA, Sam Darnold of USC, Jake Browning out of Washington, Mason Rudolph from the real OSU, and to a lesser extent Lamar Jackson out of Louisville.

OK, thanks.

Josh Rosen has been highly touted ever since he was a freshman.

Browning has been give a lot of cred taking Washington where they went.

How much did Darnold contribute to that late season run by USC?

Mason Rudolph may be a phantom. Big 12 QBs....usually vastly overrated.

Jackson, fabulous college player. Not many consider him a pro prospect, fair to say?

[The Gipper]

I disagree completely with the notion that either Goff or Wentz are/were "The Best" last year.

 

Goff - looks like an epic bust for Rams, right up there with JaMarcus Russell / Ryan Leaf. More of a bust than the JFF pick..

 

Wentz, per PFF, was the worst QB in the league after week 7.

 

If that's your comparison, you don't want Trubisky in that sentence..

 

 

Also, time to congratulate [and change opinions on] the FO: They were CORRECT to trade out of the 2 last year..

He is only in the sentence to the extent that prior to the college season, he was not on the radar really as being considered the best QB in the draft.

Obviously Goff and Wentz became considered the best QBs in last year's draft. (we are not considering how they actually played) going 1, 2.

But they were not really considered that in January of their senior year.

[wargograw]

No Big 12 QB has ever won a playoff game, or so I've heard. Others can check.

[Zombo]

No Big 12 QB has ever won a playoff game, or so I've heard. Others can check.

I think Steelers won a playoff game with Kordell. Seems they went to AFC championship.

 

Maybe current Bug 12 teams.

 

Zombo

[The Gipper]

No Big 12 QB has ever won a playoff game, or so I've heard. Others can check.

How far back do you want to go? Technically, the Big 12 has only been around since 1996 when an amalgamation of the Big 8 and the Southwest Conference formed that league. I guess we limit the look back to that date.

(but certainly teams currently members of the Big 12 have had QBs win NFL playoff games.)

 

After doing some checking, I believe that is absolutely correct. Since 1996, no QB from a Big 12 school has won a playoff game.

 

Pre Big 12, some of those schools have had playoff winning QBs: Troy Aikman OK, Jeff Hostetler WVa., Bobby Layne Texas, Sammy Baugh TCU

 

Since then you have had Andy Dalton lose 4 times TCU, RGIII once, Baylor. Vince Young, Texas once.

[Taco918]

How far back do you want to go? Technically, the Big 12 has only been around since 1996 when an amalgamation of the Big 8 and the Southwest Conference formed that league. I guess we limit the look back to that date.

(but certainly teams currently members of the Big 12 have had QBs win NFL playoff games.)

 

After doing some checking, I believe that is absolutely correct. Since 1996, no QB from a Big 12 school has won a playoff game.

 

Pre Big 12, some of those schools have had playoff winning QBs: Troy Aikman OK, Jeff Hostetler WVa., Bobby Layne Texas, Sammy Baugh TCU

 

Since then you have had Andy Dalton lose 4 times TCU, RGIII once, Baylor. Vince Young, Texas once.

Lynn Dickey out of K-State won a game or two for the Pack didn't he?

[The Gipper]

Lynn Dickey out of K-State won a game or two for the Pack didn't he?

I don't think he did. They weren't much good back then. They weren't much of a factor at all from the end of Lombardi's time until when Favre got there.

Check that....actually he did win one game in the playoff, 1982. They beat the Cardinals. lost in the 2d round.

But 1982 was the ONLY season between 1972 and 1993 that the Packers made the playoff. Their fortunes have changed for the better a great deal since then.