Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Sometimes, it helps to understand the context of a discussion you're showing up to. Therefore, when the person that started the thread says it's okay if you don't like Chad Kelly and he'd be interested in hearing better alternatives - your input could either perpetuate an ongoing discussion or improve it. Believe it or not, I like reading what you have to say about QBs most of the time since I've seen you nail some predictions about guys that weren't exactly crowd faves/popular. So, who do you see as better alternatives to Kelly after round 1 or mid-late in this draft? Mahomes is the belle of the ball when it comes to sleeper picks. Kaaya is a better project than Kelly. My favorite unknown is Antonio Pipkin from Tiffin. He is interesting as a very late pick but would need at least one full year of never sniffing the field. He has command of the things many top prospects don't - sensing pressure, climbing the pocket, maintaining fundamentals despite being under pressure, taking what the defense gives to him. However, his arm strength is lacking and there's questions regarding whether he can make the transition from DII to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 before i would ever get to Kelly, I'd start looking at 2018 QB draft class. Odds are were drafting high at USC-Darnold,UCLA-Rosen,Lamar Jackson or my favorite Josh Allen Wyoming. The Titanic was not build in a day either..Roll out the Kessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Just.....wow...... lmao... Because the argument can be made that if a guy is taken in the first round with documented issues, then his on-field talent is so astronomically high that the reward outweighs the risk. Were Kelly a perfect off-field specimen and were he not injured, he still wouldn't be among the top QBs in this draft solely because he's kinda just not good. Why gamble on a trashbag who isn't even that good? Just because he's distantly related to a QB who was pretty good 30 years ago? Just because he's done well in some big games? Obviously anytime you pull the trigger and pick a prospect with "???" the talent exceeded the risk, but the risk is magnified by height of the pick... and exponentially. Where Chad would rank depends on the inflation rate of the "top QBs", which is considerable this year. Bloodlines have nothing to do with my evaluation... nor do just a couple games. Chad was one of those "distracting players" I occasionally encountered last year when I was scouting OL. I ended up watching a handful of his 2015 outings, some good, some not so good. I saw tools that improved through the season. I looked forward to seeing what 2016 would bring him. Unfortunately it was injury... Chad has a history... no doubt. Sent packing from Clemson in early 2014 for a "pattern of behavior" seen to add up to "conduct detrimental". Late 2014 he was arrested for an altercation in Buffalo, an incident he called "his bottom" in an interview I listened to early last year. Sounded to me like a kid who heard his wake-up call. Since then? Nothing until "the photo"... not in the same class as "his bottom"... may have been part of his Clemson "pattern". I see talent in the kid. Fine with you not seeing it as well. If I am the Browns, then: I interview the shit out of the kid. I gauge whether he understands that in the NFL you have to control your "urges"... that there are times to partake and times you can't and that regardless of the timing you can never, ever be in a position of being photographed indulging. I point to Manziel and ask if that is the route he wants to go... I assess whether he wants to be a pro QB bad enough to follow through... and I ask his Uncle as well. Then and only then if I am satisfied with his replies, do I "risk" a Day 3 pick, if my Med Staff green-lights it... Since I am not the Browns, however, I'll go with my gut and give him the benefit of the doubt unless you can offer up some additional inside dirt as you sometimes are able to do on attendees of southeastern US schools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 lmao... Obviously anytime you pull the trigger and pick a prospect with "???" the talent exceeded the risk, but the risk is magnified by height of the pick... and exponentially. Where Chad would rank depends on the inflation rate of the "top QBs", which is considerable this year. Bloodlines have nothing to do with my evaluation... nor do just a couple games. Chad was one of those "distracting players" I occasionally encountered last year when I was scouting OL. I ended up watching a handful of his 2015 outings, some good, some not so good. I saw tools that improved through the season. I looked forward to seeing what 2016 would bring him. Unfortunately it was injury... Chad has a history... no doubt. Sent packing from Clemson in early 2014 for a "pattern of behavior" seen to add up to "conduct detrimental". Late 2014 he was arrested for an altercation in Buffalo, an incident he called "his bottom" in an interview I listened to early last year. Sounded to me like a kid who heard his wake-up call. Since then? Nothing until "the photo"... not in the same class as "his bottom"... may have been part of his Clemson "pattern". I see talent in the kid. Fine with you not seeing it as well. If I am the Browns, then: I interview the shit out of the kid. I gauge whether he understands that in the NFL you have to control your "urges"... that there are times to partake and times you can't and that regardless of the timing you can never, ever be in a position of being photographed indulging. I point to Manziel and ask if that is the route he wants to go... I assess whether he wants to be a pro QB bad enough to follow through... and I ask his Uncle as well. Then and only then if I am satisfied with his replies, do I "risk" a Day 3 pick, if my Med Staff green-lights it... Since I am not the Browns, however, I'll go with my gut and give him the benefit of the doubt unless you can offer up some additional inside dirt as you sometimes are able to do on attendees of southeastern US schools... Manziel doesn't have it too bad, he's signing autographs at the superbowl for $50-$100 a pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco918 Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Flugz, this is a "philosophy of life" matter for me. Trubisky has one quality that Kelly doesn't. He has what Terry Bradshaw had. He has the ability to charge up his team, win games regardless of what the statistics say, and he is, like the most successful QBs, able to fuck up the coverage by extending the play and ripping the defense with his arm. All this, lock-down on one reciever is bullshit. It is fodder for talking heads who need to write down content in order to fill the time in their shows, books, and tip lines. Trubisky is a guy in the mold of Bradshw, Roethlisberger, Rogers, whoever you may liken him to. He is the best QB, the best potential leader in the draft. The Browns don't need a fucking QB. We had a ton of QBs. We even have one who Hue sucked upp and tatooe'd 1-15 on his nutsack. The Browns need a leader. God knows there isn't one on the sideline or in the FO. This is a no brainer. If the Browns do anything else with their #1 pick...just like with Roethlisbarfer, we will live to be sickened by it. After reading your first two paragraphs I'd assume you'd be a bigger fan of Mayfield than Mitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Manziel doesn't have it too bad, he's signing autographs at the superbowl for $50-$100 a pop Come on the drop in stature is astounding. Had he not fucked up his career 50 or $100 would be ass wiping money. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Flugz, this is a "philosophy of life" matter for me. Trubisky has one quality that Kelly doesn't. He has what Terry Bradshaw had. He has the ability to charge up his team, win games regardless of what the statistics say, and he is, like the most successful QBs, able to fuck up the coverage by extending the play and ripping the defense with his arm. All this, lock-down on one reciever is bullshit. It is fodder for talking heads who need to write down content in order to fill the time in their shows, books, and tip lines. Trubisky is a guy in the mold of Bradshw, Roethlisberger, Rogers, whoever you may liken him to. He is the best QB, the best potential leader in the draft. The Browns don't need a fucking QB. We had a ton of QBs. We even have one who Hue sucked upp and tatooe'd 1-15 on his nutsack. The Browns need a leader. God knows there isn't one on the sideline or in the FO. This is a no brainer. If the Browns do anything else with their #1 pick...just like with Roethlisbarfer, we will live to be sickened by it. Thanks for weighing in here Ghoolie. The thing about Bradshaw before he had a great line and running game in front of him as well as before Swann and Stallworth arrived - he had a miserable first 4 years. I think he got benched for either Joe Gilliam or Terry Hanratty before all the magic set in. It was kind of like an extended Troy Aikman experience, if you will, prior to Emmitt Smith and one of the meanest/nastiest Olines getting put into place. Aikman got about 2 or 3 concussions from Philly alone that first season when a considerable portion of Dallas fans thought he was a bust (while they wondered if JJ lost his mind not starting or committing to Steve Walsh instead). They weren't pumped about going 1-15 especially after things turned so sour that it was time to fire a legend like Tom Landry. Our downward spiral began in 1995 so I'd say our patience has been even more exhausted than what Dallas dealt with. Bradshaw DID become the big success you speak of after all of the pieces were in place. They finally realized they needed to make it an easier place to play QB like putting a dominating defense out there as well loading up their offensive line with 3 different guys that won the NFL Strongest man competition. With a defense like they had, Bradshaw only had to score 16 points to beat a Minnesota team (they dominated upfront) by 10 points. You know as well as I do - if we drafted a QB that took that long to emerge when many seasons we wouldn't even let a QB get out of his first September here without making him feel like public enemy #1. Colt McCoy must have felt like he was playing in front of about 65,000 Hatfields with loaded rifles some 3-4 weeks after he started his first game. I DO agree we need a QB especially when we're looking who's QBing the remaining teams in the playoffs. I wish I could feel better about the QB class we're looking at when we finally sucked enough to hold the 1st draft slot over all. I'll reiterate what I posted somewhere else the day Frank Wycheck asked Peyton Manning why he went back to UT to play his senior year when he would have been a first overall pick if he came out his Junior Year. As cognitive of a QB as we know him to be - he said he really felt 1 more year of starting experience would really be helpful to him starting right away at the next level which is not only more complicated but much faster. My biggest worry with Trubisky in both of the losses I saw him play in was Stanford pick 6'd him locking onto his target, which gives me the impression they were waiting for a guy with that tendency they studied well on film to give them the green light and he did. That's a bad habit we've brought here before at a level that counts on QBs reading their progressions and being on time with the throws. He has too tiny of a body of work to give me any sense of comfort/confidence to be ready to play behind this line. I also don't know if he's won any more frequently than other previous North Carolina QBs in recent years that aren't starting in the NFL like TJ Yates. He is good at escaping trouble consistently but he's not always looking downfield when doing so. Roethlisberger started off that way too; but he did get better at looking to throw in lieu of running for first downs all of the time. Pittsburgh already had a really good team in place when Ben arrived so he could game manage them to a 15-1 season his rookie year. We're not even close to that set up so beware any early high expectations from any QBs in this draft. I've been wrong before though... I wish the red shirt Freshman QB from USC (Sam Garnold?) was coming out. That kid totally morphed a program from the forgettable start they had prior to the day he took over at QB. That kid lit it up at the Rose Bowl making throws over defenders and into some pretty tight windows. Even better, he looked like he was gifted at making quick/split second decisions so all those throws were showing up on time enough to hit guys in stride or reach their tight windows. That's a huge part of being accurate. I couldn't believe he's only a freshman. He'd easily be the best QB of this draft class right now. It's typical of our luck with the QB position that he won't come out until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 lmao... Obviously anytime you pull the trigger and pick a prospect with "???" the talent exceeded the risk, but the risk is magnified by height of the pick... and exponentially. Where Chad would rank depends on the inflation rate of the "top QBs", which is considerable this year. Bloodlines have nothing to do with my evaluation... nor do just a couple games. Chad was one of those "distracting players" I occasionally encountered last year when I was scouting OL. I ended up watching a handful of his 2015 outings, some good, some not so good. I saw tools that improved through the season. I looked forward to seeing what 2016 would bring him. Unfortunately it was injury... Chad has a history... no doubt. Sent packing from Clemson in early 2014 for a "pattern of behavior" seen to add up to "conduct detrimental". Late 2014 he was arrested for an altercation in Buffalo, an incident he called "his bottom" in an interview I listened to early last year. Sounded to me like a kid who heard his wake-up call. Since then? Nothing until "the photo"... not in the same class as "his bottom"... may have been part of his Clemson "pattern". I see talent in the kid. Fine with you not seeing it as well. If I am the Browns, then: I interview the shit out of the kid. I gauge whether he understands that in the NFL you have to control your "urges"... that there are times to partake and times you can't and that regardless of the timing you can never, ever be in a position of being photographed indulging. I point to Manziel and ask if that is the route he wants to go... I assess whether he wants to be a pro QB bad enough to follow through... and I ask his Uncle as well. Then and only then if I am satisfied with his replies, do I "risk" a Day 3 pick, if my Med Staff green-lights it... Since I am not the Browns, however, I'll go with my gut and give him the benefit of the doubt unless you can offer up some additional inside dirt as you sometimes are able to do on attendees of southeastern US schools... No dirt. I don't even care about any one thing he's done - I care about the general pattern of garbage attitude he's displayed, coupled with the fact that photo is going to put an NFL drug test target on his back if they don't already maneuver a way to enter him into stage one somehow. Off-field flaws in the NFL are not black and white, it's a gray area full of any number of indiscretions. Marijuana use? Whatever. Look at Seantrel Henderson. Fight? Shit happens. Look at Dak Prescott. Problem with authority? Fine. Look at Brett Favre. There's always instances of players who make mistakes and come back from them, just as there are instances of the NFL enforcing shitty antiquated rules that don't stand the test of time in today's society. However, look at Kelly as a whole. As a general rule of thumb, any person charged with harassment and menacing tends to be an all around asshat. These misdemeanors almost always stem from an inflated ego and an inability to control one's actions. It's pretty hard to play the "oh it was a one-time mistake" card, as both of these misdemeanors aren't necessarily "cock-and-fire" infractions. Kelly was charged with both after being kicked out of a bar and then returning with friends to try and sneak in, then punching a bouncer and fighting with officers. The fact that his Clemson dismissal stemmed from a sideline argument with coaches AND that his arrest stemmed from a refusal to leave and obey the police points to an overarching problem with authority. Not a quality you look for in your franchise quarterback. On top of that, the high school incident points to an inability to maintain composure in situations that are out of his control. As for the drug thing, whatever. My only problem with that is that he looks a fucking douchebag rolling a blunt with that dumbfuck hat and black longsleeve - another indicator that he's an asshole. I rarely fault a guy for making one or two mistakes. Hell, I defended Manziel more than once after we drafted him. The thing is, I don't want to have to do that again...and I don't think Haslam does either. Nothing about Kelly screams "franchise QB". Everything about him screams "Manziel 2.0". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 to a point, maybe, but I don't see "crazy" as being a bad guy. You listen to Joe Thomas joke around, you figure he's crazy/funny/nice guy.... But going up vs him on the football field is hell, right? I figure Chuck Norris is crazy, his sport is nuts. Mr. Miaggi was very nice..... Dick Butkus was a nice guy. Danny Shelton is a very, very, very nice kid - who is one of the most powerful kickass nt's in the NFL now. and he'll be even better this coming year. and, lol, I apologize,.... only typed that to make Flugels spit coffee on his keyboard. lol Anomalies. Why mine for diamonds, when you can just stick your hand out and grab gold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 fools gold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Look here, Flugelstreudelmeistersies, ith that being said, here is a look at 10 former NFL players who ruined their own pro football careers. Johnny Manziel. Former Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Johnny Manziel has partied himself out of the NFL. ... Vince Young. ... Greg Hardy. ... JaMarcus Russell. ... Aaron Hernandez. ... Ray Rice. ... Ryan Leaf. http://thesportsdrop.com/15-nfl-players-who-ruined-their-careers-with-bad-decisions You go ahead and draft a ryan leaf or benfollowherintobathroomraperbooger, and your team will suck. The New England Patriots dynamic duo of Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski was an absolute nightmare for opponents. While Gronkowski resembled more of the classic smash-mouth tight end, Hernandez was athletic enough to line up at almost any position on the field. Even the best defensive coordinators in the NFL struggled to come up with a game plan for stopping Hernandez and Gronkowski. But eventually, Hernandez’s checkered past — starting with his days as a member of the University of Florida Gators — caught up with him. In June of 2013, Hernandez was arrested and charged with first-degree murder, in addition to five gun-related charges, in the death of Odin Lloyd. To their credit, the Patriots released Hernandez within 90 minutes of his arrest. Hernandez was found guilty of all charges, and sentenced to life in prison without parole, ending any chance of him ever playing football. Jamarcus Russell had so much raw talent coming out of LSU that famed NFL Draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. compared him to John Elway (seems pretty ridiculous now, doesn’t it?). At 6’5 and 250lbs, Russell was a hulking athlete who could throw the football as far as anyone on the planet. Lane Kiffin, who was the head coach of the Oakland Raiders at the time (the team that eventually drafted Russell), said that his talents were “straight out of a videogame,” and called Russell “a scout’s dream.” But the biggest roadblock to Russell’s success would be his own character and work ethic. He simply never put in the work required to be a successful NFL quarterback, often spending more time enjoying the millions of dollars he was earning from the Raiders. One team source described Russell as coming into training camp “incredibly overweight, every single year” — once ballooning to over 300lbs (compared to the 250lbs he was listed at in college). Upon his release from the Raiders, several teammates and coaches told stories of Russell falling asleep during team meetings, and often being the first to leave the practice facility. Not exactly the type of work ethic you expect from your franchise quarterback. Russell is widely known as one of, if not the, biggest bust in NFL draft history. the list goes on. and on. You want to draft Jamarcus Russel, Mel's "next john elway"? You go ahead. I won't. Thinking you can draft Johnny Manziel and have a terrific steal of a qb is what gets the Browns into trouble in the draft. I won't be a fan of YOUR team, you draft silly. and I don't root for a team when they are scum and win. I don't care about winning if that is how they win. You want Charlie Mansonsies as your qb? Well, you go right ahead, I ain't a-buyin what you're sellin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Tebow had the same bullshit traits that Ghoolie mentioned down to the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Lol cal, we'd be lucky to get the production of most of those guys. That's not to mention Labia Bell, caught with weed twice. Tyreek Hill, domestic violence. Dez Bryant, absolutely horrid record. Dak Prescott, DUI. Jadaveon Clowney, doesn't "love the game." And that was just from this weekend's games! Don't be such a Michigan fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just sayin, that if somebody want to watch scum, they can watch rugby, cause "scrum" is only one letter off...... lol. Anyways, remember the old stupid movie where they played extremely dirty, even injecting a sedative into a star player for the other team in a big pile up? Maybe it was a prison football team... My theory is that is how the pukesburg squealers built their team. Started out with excons - rapists, forgers, violent assualters, mentally ill... Just not my kind of football. That's kinda funny. haha. (but would it surprise anybody except a squealer "fan" ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 M A S H WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 The "injection movie" was M*A*S*H.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 The "injection movie" was M*A*S*H.... Like I said. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 ah, that makes sense.... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Like I said. but you forgot the asterisks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I'm hoping like Hell we go Defense with our first 2 picks. I've seen Trubisky play twice in his small body of work starting. I already posted I see why some guys really like him and pointed out the specifics I really liked such strong, accurate and consistently escapes trouble behind a suspect pass pro. Unfortunately, I see a lot of parallels to Tim Couch in the moral victories dept excusing both losses to drops and if he just had the right team around him. So what happened to Couch? He came here while McNabb went to the NFL team coming off the worst record. Couch received the same excuses here that he got at Kentucky vrs SEC Competition while McNabb turned an unforgiving hatred in the City of Brotherly Love over not drafting Ricky Williams into nothing but playoffs from about 2000-2010 inclusive of 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 exciting SB matchup with NE. In 2002, we DID make the playoffs with a 9-7 record once our a bye week re-eval decided to take the offense off Couch's shoulders and onto the running game. Over the last 5-6 games of that season, William Green averaged over a 100 yards rushing per game while a considerable portion of our fan base began to favor Kelly Holcomb if memory serves me right here. The day we clinched a playoff spot beating a playoff bound Atlanta team - Couch left the game early with us behind. Holcomb came in and William Green ran for 164 yards to help us overcome the deficit. While I felt bad for Couch at times, he was a #1 overall pick which meant he was supposed to drive the franchise to greatness as opposed to being one of the passengers. I think our FO put the cleaning staff in charge of researching McNabb while Andy Reid remembered Favre played in a So Miss offense very similar to the Veer Option McNabb played in at SU. The difference between McNabb and Couch is one guy never ended up needing excuses while the other quickly made everyone around him instantly better. Again, Philly came off the worst record in the NFL so let's not pretend only 1 guy had challenges to overcome. This comes from the same guy who's very first post in cyberspace said "Couch just Makes Sense." I thought there was no other answer until hindsight 20/20 showed me otherwise. While Couch didn't suck - he never was the solution Philly found at #2 overall in 1999. So? Sometimes you have to look at a QB prospect that transcended a major college program/tradition to elite like say a Bernie Kosar or an Andrew Luck or even a Joe Montana; or see why/how an Aaron Rodgers beats a much more talented USC team than his. Once upon a time, I saw Elway erase a 28 point halftime lead Ohio State had on an inferior Stanford team in a game that should have never ended in a tie. They did the same stuff at the next level. Even Poor Andrew Luck who has taken a suspect pass pro to a Conference Championship game already. I guess we can throw Peyton Manning in there since his excellence attracted enough recruits for UT to win the National Championship the first season after he went to the NFL. Keep in mind, Montana got stereotyped for arm strength, less than wonderful passing stats and style of offense so he fell to something like round 3 or 4 (paving the way for much lesser QBs to follow at ND to get drafted higher in the future - even one often hailed as "the most pro ready" of his draft class). As for SU, they stopped competing for 1st place in the Big East after McNabb left. Today, that football program is looking for a pulse in the ACC. What happens when there doesn't appear to be an obvious franchise QB at #1 overall or one a QB that transcended a major college football program to excellence? 1) You can pretend there is one and reach... 2) You can get bullied into drafting a QB in round 1 even if a 1st round talent does not exist because that's what we're still being told we need to do. We've rinsed and repeated this one so often - it's hard to trust it again. 3) You can do enough film review and research to feel you SEE the right QB. 4) You can draft to make this an easier place to play QB for whatever QBs you already have + whatever QBs you draft later (ie; is there an easier place for a young guy to play QB than Dallas today?) I just thought I'd share a look at the stats of the last FULL seasons Mitch Trubisky and Chad Kelly started. In doing so, one has to understand Chad Kelly injured his ACL in 2016, which means he'll miss a lot of the pre-draft workouts without defenses hurrying throws against WRs not being defended by NFL corners with a bad pass pro hurrying throws even more so. Film can show show you a lot of that stuff better. Unfortunately, it can't replicate the level of complexity NFL defenses can confuse a rookie QB with during his new role of reading progressions in a faster league while he may not have very good pass pro or much help around him. Here's their stats in the final full. Chad Kelly (2015) 298 of 458 for 4042 yds 65.1 cmp% 8.8 ypc 31 TD 13 INT 500 yds rushing 4.7 ypc 10 TD rushing * Last SEC QB to beat Alabama (the last time Alabama won a National Championship). Like Cam Newton, he had to grow up after getting thrown out of his first college program at 18 years of age. Even though he led his team to over 30 points again in 2016 vrs Bama, they forced him into some bad decisions. Mitch Trubisky (2016) 304 of 447 for 3748 yds 68.0 cmp% 8.4 ypc 30 TD 6 INT 308 yds rushing 3.3 ypc 5 TD rushing * Fun kid to watch with hometown roots as close by as Mentor. Strong, accurate and eludes pressure consistently. Has to overcome locking onto his primary target as depicted in the pick 6 against Stanford While I won't hate it if we draft Trubisky, I'm just not sold he's any better than Chad Kelly especially knowing Kelly will probably fall to a much later slot than Trubisky. That being the case, we can sure draft a lot of impact in that upper first round and even at the top of round 2 before we address the QB spot. We can draft 2 impactful studs on defense in round 1 and add Elfein at Center at the top of round 2 before we'd even have to draft Kelly. Looking at my multiple choice above - I choose #4. Wouldn't it be fun to defer a coin toss and actually stop an opponent from scoring 2 minutes into the game for whoever we start at QB for once? Flugs, I don't think you can look strictly at stats and point that out as the be all and end all of QB comparisons. If that were the case then we could say that we should take any QB from the Big 12, all of whom probably have better stats than Trubisky or Kelly, since they don't play defense in that conference. That being said, I would not be against taking a flyer on Kelly at some point. I have seen where Kelly may last until round 6. I say take MT at #1 AND take Kelly down there. Can't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I agree. Nice guys finish last in football. The game of football just does not comport with gentlemen for the most part. You want to watch a "Gentleman's game"? Go watch like fucking Cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 If you guys want to show me a list of late round QBs with off the field problems related to drugs and fighting and general douchbaggery who became franchise QBs in the last 25 years, I'll wait. Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Brett Favre. Is pick #33 considered "late round"? Because the way it sounds around here, it's "basically a first round pick". Which is it, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Chad Kelly wants people to call him "Swag Kelly" and made a rap, about himself, under the moniker of "Chad AK47 Kelly" http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/articles/outkick-the-coverage-499909/chad-kelly-ole-miss-qb-and-15079062/ If this doesn't represent everything this man brings to the table and why I'd rather have Ghoolie play QB then this clown I don't know what will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Is pick #33 considered "late round"? Because the way it sounds around here, it's "basically a first round pick". Which is it, then? I know, I was just trying to think of a guy that had issues. Favre had his vicodin addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Chad Kelly wants people to call him "Swag Kelly" and made a rap, about himself, under the moniker of "Chad AK47 Kelly" http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/articles/outkick-the-coverage-499909/chad-kelly-ole-miss-qb-and-15079062/ If this doesn't represent everything this man brings to the table and why I'd rather have Ghoolie play QB then this clown I don't know what will. Oh, hell no. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Oh, hell no. Zombo No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard. It's not the quality of the performance. It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 It's not the quality of the performance. It's the fact that he wrote and released a rap song about himself. And the other ten red flags. Zombo Had enough of QB's more interested in being famous than being professional football players. Wouldn't bring this asshat in as an undrafted free agent, let alone using a draft pick on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 No worse than any other rap song I have ever heard. "Chad Kelly on the field, yeah, you know it's swag/Touchdown every time that he throw a pass/He might just take off like he Michael Vick/Shake you for the touchdown, yeah, you know he sick." "New York state Player of the Year boi/Ain't a team that a Chad Kelly fear boi/2012, Clemson, it's the year boi/It's the eye of the tiger up in here boi." .....It's worse than any other rap song I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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