Tour2ma Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Cool... did not have to search for this thread... Manchin's daughter, Heather Bresch, has now been "invited" to sit before a Senate committee. On top of Chuck Grassley's letter of inquiry now Senators Collins and Klobuchar have issued the invite to sit before the Senate Aging Committee on which they serve and of which Sen. Grassley chairs. Heather's "explanation" is going to need a little work before her appearance... at least based upon what I saw of her sit down on CNBC yesterday. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/25/mylan-expands-epipen-cost-cutting-programs-after-charges-of-price-gouging.html One point to add is that the EpiPen was not a product Mylan recently developed... or developed period. Mylan bought the product. Shel Kaplan invented the EpiPen from 1965 to 1978. He was born in 1939 in Everett, MA and died in 2009. Shel Kaplan originally made the EpiPen as a tool for the military! Wiki has an extensive history of the "pen" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine_autoinjector Mylan is at least the third owner of this old product. In the above history mention is made of several lawsuits employed in defending the pen from generics. I'm betting that the drug itself is long off patent and the suits have been around "tweaks" to the delivery pen that have resulted in the extension of device's original patent long beyond it's original expiration date. Patent tweaking is a very old practice employed to sustain monopolies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Well I guess then it's lucky for me that you are incapable of even the most superficial analysis of anything. WSS I already tore ur original premise to pieces. And very easily. Almost no thought to it. Football players vs life saving drugs. Theres nothing there and u probably know its just typical steve time i get it. And tour just broke ya down another few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I already tore ur original premise to pieces. And very easily. Almost no thought to it. Football players vs life saving drugs. Theres nothing there and u probably know its just typical steve time i get it. And tour just broke ya down another fewYou? You had nothing of substance to say and tour, his response had nothing to do with my comment.Yes Pollyanna oftentimes things cost a great deal of money because people want them or need them. Shocking I know. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Yeah i figured u werent going to acknowledge what tour wrote. I also knew full well you'd either ignore or infact even double down on equating greedy athletes who in the end do nothing more for society than runnig and jumping real good, equating them as no different than corp suits skyrocketing life saving medications that they apparently didnt even do the r&d on. So because we watch millionaire athletes run and jump around real good, we cant complain about diabetics (an enormous amt if them children) having their life saving medication (literally life saving) skyrocket like 700%.....? Thats our dose of typical specious steven for today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Well thats just a giant load of west side steve. ^^^see what i did there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Its not "bullshit" anymore....its west side steve. Like i feel a west side coming on i might need to hit the shitter here in a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I don't care about nor did I attempt to discuss any liability with Joe Manchins daughter. But, and I hesitate to play the fag card, it is nice to know that when you think of me you had for a bathroom stall. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Just came back. Didnt realize a west side would burn like that coming out. Maybe i shouldnt eat any ghost pepper sauce the night before a healthy dose of specious steve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Just came back. Didnt realize a west side would burn like that coming out. Maybe i shouldnt eat any ghost pepper sauce the night before a healthy dose of specious steve? Hint: don't use the ghost pepper sauce as a lubricant while you're jerking off. Or at least quit thinking about me when you do it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Whoa good one steve. Jerking off with hot sauce slam, well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Says the guy who is only on this board because of allegiance to a group of multi-millionaire athletes many of which can barely read and write. Ironic ain't it? WSS (actually that's all of us) I mean... I can see where you're going with the comparison. But that doesn't stop it from being a poor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I mean... I can see where you're going with the comparison. But that doesn't stop it from being a poor one. Oh oh it's okay I'm just pointing out but we tend to bitch about some people making a profit when it doesn't really bother us across the board. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Oh oh it's okay I'm just pointing out but we tend to bitch about some people making a profit when it doesn't really bother us across the board. WSS I get you're playing devils advocate for the sake of it, that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I get you're playing devils advocate for the sake of it, that's fine.That's because you're smarter than some of these mugs. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I get you're playing devils advocate for the sake of it, that's fine. I too thought that for a long time. But he isnt. He just hides behind the implicit suggestion thats what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I too thought that for a long time. But he isnt. He just hides behind the implicit suggestion thats what he's doing. Quiet down Cleve the grown-ups are talking. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Quiet down Cleve the grown-ups are talking. WSS Oh ur superbgrown up for sure, tell me again how i beat off to you with hot sauce. Cause thats way grown up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Oh ur superbgrown up for sure, tell me again how i beat off to you with hot sauce. Cause thats way grown up And who was the fellow that mention hot sauce first? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 And who was the fellow that mention hot sauce first? WSS Yeah, eating it.....like ur supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Or is there something else you do with hot sauce im not aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 You? You had nothing of substance to say and tour, his response had nothing to do with my comment. Yes Pollyanna oftentimes things cost a great deal of money because people want them or need them. I was simply providing more context... added info was not "in response" to anyone, but that was then... As tia pointed out there is no comparison between a "free market" system such as NFL free agency and what is happening with the EpiPen. A monopoly is the antithesis of a free market. And no one, at least not me, is decrying Mylan profiting from their manufacture and sale of the EpiPen. But there is a point where profit becomes excessive, unjustifiable and it seems clear Mylan crossed that line some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Didn't say you were. I think it was Cleve who made the statement that you had crushed my argument and I just pointed out what I said and you said are two separate issues. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 The TPP agreement that the president and his potential successor are pushing will surely help curb drug monopolies and reduce the cost of medication for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Well in theory protecting intellectual property rights is never a bad thing. But as we've seen with mylan these companies use their monopoly to grossly gouge the consumer who has no other market choice. Tricky subject, not sure where i fall on that. Tpp in general sounds like typical corp bullshit though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Yesterday Mylan announced they will market an identical (except for labeling) Generic pen, 2-pack. at around half the price of the "name" 2-pack. Analysts quickly pointed out that because of the distribution system the generic may actually cost the end user more. At the heart of this outcome are "rebates" Mylan issues to the other part of the chain for its name pens. Rebate recipients include insurers. Weren't these rebates once called kickbacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Rebate recipients include insurers. Weren't these rebates once called kickbacks? Silence commie, you obviously dont understand the nuances of free market forces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Silence commie, you obviously dont understand the nuances of free market forces So assuming, and this is a stretch, that some people value your services do you provide them for free or ask for a check at the end of the week? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 So assuming, and this is a stretch, that some people value your services do you provide them for free or ask for a check at the end of the week? WSS Could you educate yourself on anti competition laws before you try to engage me in pointless strawman discussions? Kthnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Could you educate yourself on anti competition laws before you try to engage me in pointless strawman discussions? KthnxNo, why don't you tell us all about anti-competition laws.When you get some time off from your pro bono restaurant job WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Ha!! My restaurant job.....good one steve. But even i had a restaurant job it would still be more gainful employment than you wouldnt it? But dont let anyone tell you singing on the sidewalk for coins isnt the sweet life ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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