Louisville Slugger Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Blake Bortles High- Donavan McNabb Low- David Garrard I really liked Bortles and wished he stayed in school one more year, but with the media hype machine blowing him up, I just don't see the value. He is a late first round project QB at this point and I couldn't imagine picking him in the top 10. I personally believe he is going to owe Storm Johnson a lot of money come draft day because Johnson kept the opposing team honest and made the play action effective. He extends plays but tends to run more then I would like to see out my franchise QB. His arm isn't all that great and his footwork and release need work. He stands tall in the pocket but will need to focus more on stepping into the pressure buy that extra second to find the open man. Overall I see him being a mid to low level starter or a strong backup. Teddy Twatwater High- Steve Young Low- Mark Brunell Bridgewater is a great fit for a west coast offense. He is deadly accurate on short and intermediate throws and is a killer on 3rd downs. His deep ball needs work and his size isn't ideal, but he is durable. He took his share of big hits and usually got up and made the defense pay. Bridgewater is the best prospect in handling pocket pressure. He isn't fast but he can get outside the tackle box to buy time if need be. His biggest defect is leadership. He is a quiet kid and doesn't show a ton of fire, but makes clutch plays to rally his guys. He has potential to be a solid starter if used in a Russell Wilson type offense. Johnny Manziel High- Randall Cunningham Low- Seneca Wallace Johnny Football has a huge chance to bust, but if can carry over his success he will be an all star. QBs that run as much as he does almost never work out. Vick, RG3, and Vince Young all know how hard it is to play a full season with that mindset. You have to love his fire, but you have to have how stupid he is. Taking a picture with the Hiesman trophy holding a blunt... Really? He has the Broadway Joe mentality and I don't think that is going to work in todays game. Manziel could be a hall famer but more than likely will be a 3 year experiment and then he will be out of the league. Derek Carr High- Matthew Stafford Low- Brandon Weeden Carr reminds so much of Weeden it is scary. He has all the arm talent in the world, but he gets shook when he THINKS the pocket is collapsing. His footwork and composure are going to determine if he succeeds or fails. If he has a big receiver that can come down with those 50/50 balls it will help him out a lot, but I don't see him being elite. He will get a chance to start but I see him having a roller coaster career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 no disrespect intended but it looks like these comparisons pulled right out of somebody's ass. Johnny Manziel to Randall Cunningham. Randall is 6 feet 5 inches tall. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 If Bridgewater has a career like Brunell, I would think he would take it. Brunell had over 30,000 yards passing and 184 td passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 The Lows are pretty funny, I would say JF would be more like Young as a high and a low Seneca Wallace. I would like to see the other QB comparisons if you wouldnt mind. A.J. Zach Jimmy Aaron cuz these are some of the guys we may be taking if the FO dont see the other 4 as legit starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 tebow = jesus h. christ manziel = beezlebub HAPPY EASTER! right up your keister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Comparing Derek Carr to Brandon Weeden is fucking ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Derek Carr High - Brett Farve Low - Jay Cutler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Were the comparisons meant to be funny? Steve Young is a runner ... Bridgewater not a runner. Blake Bortles is either going to be a good black quarterback or a mediocre black quarterback. Cunningham ... Manziel ... Tall lean introverted black guy versus short solid extroverted white guy ... I mean, they are both mobile and throw footballs, but in what world does Maziel project to have a Cunningham like career? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Comparing Derek Carr to Brandon Weeden is fucking ignorant. A better comparison would be to his brother. That sure worked out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Comparing Derek Carr to Brandon Weeden is fucking ignorant. A better comparison would be to his brother. That sure worked out well. Sorry PG, it's100% accurate, go watch his mechanics & accuracy fall off the table when he gets some pressure i his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 I tried to pick players with similar skill sets and play styles, not skin color. I tried to use size, but it starts getting incredibly hard when you have such a rare player like Manziel. He has a huge bust to success rate and I don't see a grey area with him. Either he will be really good or just a turd. Your right PG, Carr isn't 28, so he does have that going for him. I thought about using Favre as his high, because he has potential, but watching him tremble in the pocket gave me flash backs of the ginger cringer. I never thought of Steve Young as a runner. He was mobile and that was a big part of his game, but he was a passer first. I wanted to put Aaron Rodgers as his ceiling, but I figured there would be a uproar and this would thread would boil down to homer name calling and die. The main point I was trying to make is he should be successful in a WCO but will probably struggle in most of the other styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimdawg Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 If Bridgewater has a career like Brunell, I would think he would take it. Brunell had over 30,000 yards passing and 184 td passes Shit that was my thought, Brunell was a good QB. The thing I remember most about him was he was a warrior, played through injuries at a high level ala Brett Favre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I have heard Manziel compared to Jeff Garcia. Carr reminds me of Weeden in terms of collapsing under Pocket pressure, but I do think he has a better chance at succeeding than Weeden does. Bortles I think is somewhat similar to Rothlesberger. Bridgewater was compared to Luck by the USF head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Comparing Derek Carr to Brandon Weeden is fucking ignorant. Except that they're the fucking same and you're literally the only person on the Carr bandwagon. Not the only person here...the only person in the nation. Dude sucks and your track record isn't exactly great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 well, not the ONLY one...there's PG, MKCabot, and myself for what THAT'S worth. regardless, like Derek Carr a lot...and honestly there's a lot to like about him. if he's still available to take w the 2nd 1st rounder (and they haven't yet taken a QB) i seriously hope they pull the trigger. if they do not and he's still there when they pick in the 2nd rd and they still pass (and they STILL haven't taken a QB) i'll be fucking pissed. his football IQ, leadership ability, touch, and short and intermediate balls are all far superior to Weeds and Anderception so those comparisons aren't truly accurate. his ceiling is actually much higher than many give him credit for. ideally, Brian Hoyer comes back 100% and starts all year (i know i know -- ridiculously tall order in Cle) allowing Carr to develop behind him for 2 or so seasons as the game slows way down for him while he digests the bulk of the playbok...all the while receiving some quality mentoring from Hoyer and staff. no matter what happens he's going to surprise some people...mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 How is Johnny Football's low just Seneca Wallace? Seneca started on a few teams and has had a long NFL career. His low is Jamarcus Russel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Johnny Scrambles low is Colt Mccoy...but it's possible his high may also be Colt McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just for you cambridgeho Zach Mettenberger High- Vinny Testaverde Low- Derek Anderson I was really low on Metteneberger last year, but I blame that on his old QB coach Steve Kragthorpe (this is my personal bias because he is the coach that ran Louisville's football program into the ground) Once Zach got a real OC he made huge strides. He has a cannon and has showed that he is coachable, he stands tall in the pocket and steps up to avoid pressure. Where he falls short is he gets overly aggressive and tries to force balls too often. He isn't mobile and he also eats boogers. Jimmy Garapollo High- Chad Pennington Low- Graham Harrell I do not get the hype on this guy at all. I see the stats he put up and they are impressive, but this guy has noodle arm. I have heard a lot about his quick release, but it seems like he just cuts his throwing motion in half and lofts all of his throws. I think his low grade fits him well, they both put up huge stats and will be lucky to hold a back up spot for a few years. I personally give him an UDFA grade so that means we will probably take him with our 2nd 1st. A.J. McCarron High- Trent Dilfer Low- Ken Dorsey Like Dorsey all this guy does is win ball games, but it seems unlikely that he will be a starter in the NFL. If a perfect storm happens and he lands on an all star team he may be able to manage the game well enough to win some games. A.J. does have a high completion percentage, but he has a mediocre arm and its hard to judge his pocket presence when he had 5 NFL lineman blocking for him. I would spend a late round pick on him just to bring his wife in town. Aaron Murray High- Matt Shaub Low- Mark Sanchez Aaron Murray is interesting. He looks good at time while, under-achieving with such a talented supporting cast. He is small and some what fragile, but has an under-rated arm. He shows decent mobility in the pocket but gets flustered when he gets hit. Overall if he is a really late project QB that could be a solid backup in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 How is Johnny Football's low just Seneca Wallace? Seneca started on a few teams and has had a long NFL career. His low is Jamarcus Russel that's everybody's low. But there are absolutely no similarities between the two quarterbacks. That's what's wrong with this entire stupid thread. You might as well say his high is Babe Ruth. And his low is Keanu Reeves. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 i'm not on derek carr's bandwagon but he's not as bad as some people are making him out to be. he's looked good at the combine, pro day and on every tv spot i've seen including gruden's nfl camp (where gruden ends the show hinting that he might have him as the #1 QB in the class). he's accurate as fuck, has the best arm in the class, but he does not handle pressure well. so that's his only negative? you want to go and list the negatives of the others in the class? btw steve young was the best comparable to manziel's high. he used to run the ball a lot and paid the price for it many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I never thought of Steve Young as a runner. He was mobile and that was a big part of his game, but he was a passer first. Well, they are all passers first, but Steve Young ran for 4,329 yards and 43 TDs in the NFL ... Bridgewater doesn't run ... 0.8 ypc in college. I could see if you used Steve Young for Manziel ... but Bridgewater? And Cunningham was a big , tall guy with a rocket arm, so the manziel comparison I find baffling. Manziels high would be Fran Tarkenton, or Young. His low would be Bubby Brister. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 OK, I see how this works: Blake Bortles: High: Ben Roethlisberger...or John Elway ........................Low: Scott Brunner, Kent Graham Teddy Twatwater: High: Roger Staubach/Jim Kelly...(or if you want to do the black on black: Warren Moon) .................................Low: Jack Trudeau/Mike Phipps John Manziel: High: Sonny Jurgenson, Drew Brees, Doug Flutie .........................Low: Gary Cuozzo, Al Dorow (right, most of you have not heard of these short guys because they weren't good) Derek Carr: High: Dan Fouts, Ken Stabler .....................Low: David Carr, Rick Mirer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 OK, I see how this works: Blake Bortles: High: Ben Roethlisberger...or John Elway ........................Low: Scott Brunner, Kent Graham Teddy Twatwater: High: Roger Staubach/Jim Kelly...(or if you want to do the black on black: Warren Moon) .................................Low: Jack Trudeau/Mike Phipps John Manziel: High: Sonny Jurgenson, Drew Brees, Doug Flutie .........................Low: Gary Cuozzo, Al Dorow (right, most of you have not heard of these short guys because they weren't good) Derek Carr: High: Dan Fouts, Ken Stabler .....................Low: David Carr, Rick Mirer Be a little more charitable to JF- Tarkenton was 6'0" statistically insignificant as to height. However, way back when he played there were a lot less 6'5" offensive linemen playing, and defensive ends weighed around 235, the big ones were 250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Be a little more charitable to JF- Tarkenton was 6'0" statistically insignificant as to height. However, way back when he played there were a lot less 6'5" offensive linemen playing, and defensive ends weighed around 235, the big ones were 250. I didn't think comparing him on the high side to Sonny Jurgenson....who was also 5"11, and Drew Brees at 6' was uncharitable. As for comparing him to Cuozzo and Dorow....I was finding QBs of similar height that were basically career backups. Some really high pick QBs have ended up primarily as backups in their careers, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I didn't think comparing him on the high side to Sonny Jurgenson....who was also 5"11, and Drew Brees at 6' was uncharitable. As for comparing him to Cuozzo and Dorow....I was finding QBs of similar height that were basically career backups. Some really high pick QBs have ended up primarily as backups in their careers, no? Let's say height and style of play. Brees doesn't run and IIRC Jurgenson was a statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Bortles has decent size but not NEARLY as big as Big Rape...nor is he framed similarly or as hard to bring down. and he WISHES he had HALF the arm of Horse Face. very VERY few NFL QB's have had an elite and accurate cannon like Elway... Cutler, Favre, Bradshaw...Carson Palmer >>> most don't realize it but the latter was once able to throw over 95 fucking yards through the air at one of those QB competitions. yes...i said through the air. Bortles has a typical Pennington/Matt Ryan/Shaub/Cassell very average arm. nothing special at all to deserve such high praise in my opinon. he IS accurate though...Montana may be a better fit on his arm...but Vince Young/Cam Newton are probably closer still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Comparing Derek Carr to Brandon Weeden is fucking ignorant. Probably an accurate statement...........................................Weeden likely has a higher upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Let's say height and style of play. Brees doesn't run and IIRC Jurgenson was a statue. For Manziel, if you are to try to compare him to someone who was of the same height and style of play....someone that we all know about, then you would have to go pretty much only with....Tarkenton, Flutie, Russell Wilson. ....but, on the other hand.....Cuozzo and Dorow may also fit the mold as well. If JF turns into a turd, that will be his company, no? In 20 years he would find himself in the land of the unknown along with Steve Pisarkewisz and Browning Nagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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