DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 i predict whomever wins except for Trump we will continue to spiral downward. He is what we need. Trump 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 What was Herman Cain pulling as far as the black vote is concerned? Sure, there were people that voted for Obama just because he was black, and people who didn't just because he was black. And like I said, something similar will happen with Hillary and women. The only thing going for Carson and his ability to get votes that wouldn't already be his is the fact that he's black. So you're banking on a ton of black people voting for him just because of race, and then not losing votes because of his race. Other than that, he seems too far right in some of his views, and I think thr negative campaigning against him would be pretty rough (though I guess that could be said about almost any candidate) Blacks voted for Obama because he was black and liberal. I think many of them see conservative black people who stand up for personal responsibility and stuff like that as traitors.Unfortunate but that's how it goes. Alan Keyes had a similar problem. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I was just teasing you because you said that you really admire him. We know Cal! LOL Blowe ****************************************************** Ah. Crap. Went right over my head. I deserve a Peanut "neeeeeeooooom" LOL I'm looking for the pendulum to swing back the other direction. Carter-Reagan-Clinton-Bush-Obamao It's just a thing with the swing, see? America is really, really tired of the left, and just as tired of the phoney "right", which is really nowwhere left or right, most obviously, like McConnel and Boehner, two listless cowards who are just rino's playing the political game. Someone genuine this time - with wisdom, very principled, with the courage to stand up to the wrong directions we are going in, and DO things about it, without being a loudmouth joke of a jackass. Like Trump. And the other nutjob who I can't even remember his name. My best examples of what I'm saying, is Carson. And Bobby Jindal. Not as much in Kasich, but he's real, and principled. But a real president who will bring us together, instead of divide us into splinters of a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 So black people only vote for black people. That's why they voted for Obama. But black people font vote for black conservatives, for more racial reasons. I don't think you can have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Black conservatives have a history of not getting blacks out to vote for them. They consider them to be "Uncle Toms". It is unfortunate but true. So do white conservatives though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I really really don't believe that anyone didn't vote for Obama because he was black. Anybody that would never vote for a black man would probably never vote for a liberal Democrat either. One of the most racist blue-collar Union guys I know summed it up this way: " I'd vote for that fucking N***** before I vote for that cocksucker Bush." But beyond that I think many conservatives are inspired by black people you don't seem to hate the white man. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Not to mention that the president got a good amount of white votes while the white candidates got almost no black votes. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 The Conservative candidate got almost no black votes. Like normal. So people totally only voted for Obama because he was black, and it mattered. But no one didn't vote for Obama because he was black. And if they did it really didn't matter anyway. Again, it seems like you're trying to have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm simply saying that people voted for Obama because he is black and not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Some people just don't have any common sense, and can't quite comprehend things, even when written out plainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 There were democrats that didn't vote for Obama because he is black. The number problem isn't overly significant but it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 The Conservative candidate got almost no black votes. Like normal. So people totally only voted for Obama because he was black, and it mattered. But no one didn't vote for Obama because he was black. And if they did it really didn't matter anyway. Again, it seems like you're trying to have it both ways. Nobody said that, did they Woody? Basically Dr Carsons race won't win him or lose him any votes. President Obama's race won him some votes and didn't lose him any. Is that any clearer? Christians and people who are not hostile to Christianity probably won't care about the young earth issue. Still there are a lot of Republican candidates with a lot of reasons that different people might prefer one over the other. The Democrats have baggage too. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 There were democrats that didn't vote for Obama because he is black. The number problem isn't overly significant but it's there. I'd say they aren't significant at all if they do exist. Whether they'd vote for Hillary instead or Bernie Sanders or any other lefty is doubtful. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Dr. Carson is now tied with Trump, per a poll: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/31/significant-shake-up-ben-carson-ties-donald-trump-in-new-iowa-poll/ Y'all should read his book. He's impressive as a human being, and his wisdom - we need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Nobody said that, did they Woody? Basically Dr Carsons race won't win him or lose him any votes. President Obama's race won him some votes and didn't lose him any. Is that any clearer? Christians and people who are not hostile to Christianity probably won't care about the young earth issue. Still there are a lot of Republican candidates with a lot of reasons that different people might prefer one over the other. The Democrats have baggage too. WSS Steve you are a level headed guy but if you think that Carson won't get black voters to vote for him based on race you're crazy. That is the basic principal American use when voting "is this guy like me". Christians vote for morals, money votes for money, gender votes for gender and race votes for race. We are so far removed, as a culture, from voting for objective leadership it's laughable. The bolded comment is complete insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Steve you are a level headed guy but if you think that Carson won't get black voters to vote for him based on race you're crazy. That is the basic principal American use when voting "is this guy like me". Christians vote for morals, money votes for money, gender votes for gender and race votes for race. We are so far removed, as a culture, from voting for objective leadership it's laughable. The bolded comment is complete insanity Not true...............all blacks voted for Obama, but if they vote for Carson, it's because they know what they are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Nobody said ALL blacks. But the large dependent subculture voted for obamao 98%. Now, a lot of blacks realized the mistake they made. It was voting for a corrupt, marxist, incompetent ass for pres because he was black and pretended to be like a real American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Steve you are a level headed guy but if you think that Carson won't get black voters to vote for him based on race you're crazy. That is the basic principal American use when voting "is this guy like me". Christians vote for morals, money votes for money, gender votes for gender and race votes for race. We are so far removed, as a culture, from voting for objective leadership it's laughable. The bolded comment is complete insanity Oh I think I've stated my reasons for what I believe pretty clearly. Blacks vote Democrat and came out in force for Obama because he was one of them. Early in his political career he got his ass handed to him in Chicago by a candidate who seemed blacker . That's why he double down on the community organizing and joined the Reverend Wright Church . Now there might be some people who are very liberal and could also not bring themselves to vote for a black man but that just doesn't ring true. Philosophically I would think there is more room in the Republican Party and the conservative movement for black people who have traditionally been very liberal and to an extent anti-white. There aren't that many conservative blacks out there and those that are usually get called Uncle Tom by the establishment.I have not seen figures in Iowa suggesting that the black community has jumped ship to support ben Carson, have you? PS I liked chris Christie's performance on Fox Sunday morning. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 On another note Dr Carson might pull a few more black folks from the older black fundamentalist community. But so what Mike Huckabee possibly? Also if I were Republican leadership I wouldn't count too much on a Cuban pulling the Mexican vote because of a shared language. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Also if I were Republican leadership I wouldn't count too much on a Cuban pulling the Mexican vote because of a shared language. WSS Yeah I don't think they realize that language isn't a common bond amongst Hispanic and latino people. My buddy's mother in law is from Argentina and she thinks Mexicans and Cubans are "trash people". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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