calfoxwc Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I really admire Dr. Carson. He needs to be the republican nominee. I know Mohican made a point about Carson and plagerism in college, that Carson wrote about in his book... but I also admire Phil Robertson hugely, not because of who he used to be, but for who he is now. same thing with Bush W., and Reagan. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-29/ben-carson-edging-close-to-front-runner-trump-in-latest-iowa-poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 He's perfect hypocritical and crazy religious http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/ben-carson-aborted-fetuses-research/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/ben-carsons-creationist-views-spark-controvery-over-commencement-speech/2012/05/08/gIQAi0vsBU_blog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I really admire Dr. Carson. You don't say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Carson is too soft spoken to win an election. Trump 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 The last thing you want is Carson to be the nominee.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 http://www.cnn.com/2...tuses-research/ ****************************************************** Planned Parenthood was SELLING ORGANS OF MURDERED CHILDREN> Medical researchers using tissue is not selling anything. They don't know that planned parenthood was SELLING ORGANS OF MURDERED BABIES. I don't know at the time, if he knew the tissue came from murdered children - they may have died in the womb. The hypocrite label is ignorant nonsense. Did you read your own articles, where Carson explains that? And 1992 was nearly twenty freakin years ago. A lot has changed since then, don't you think, Blowe? And "crazy religious" ??? all Christians are "crazy" to you? In both articles you link to, Carson brilliantly explains why your blurb is unjustified. You just had a flagrantly embarrassing case of the "oopsies". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 The last thing you want to be, is a woodpecker. Alas, yet still you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I do respect dr. Carson but trying to keep this in perspective. He is getting all the fundamentalist vote while the other thousand candidates are fighting over the rest. Donald Trump is getting all the disgruntled angry anti-establishment photos. The other thousand are fighting over the rest. Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum were huge in Iowa. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 The last thing you want is Carson to be the nominee.... But that's what you said about Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 But that's what you said about Trump. Right. Both would lose the general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Right. Both would lose the general election. Based on what? Carson pulls in reps against dems, pro life reps, christian reps, military reps, and blacks, which is a huge voting base in the Democratic party. You claim you're a man of science. You know you can't just make claims without backing them up with evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 In before "the earth is 6000 years old" rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Oh no, he said "in before"... I have nothing to respond with now. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html Here are a bunch of head to head polls for the upcoming election. Neither seem to do pretty well up against Clinton. Yes, anything can change. Yes, it is a long way to go. But some hype by a minority of voters on the right does not equate to winning a general election. It doesn't pull in the middle ground voters. Sure, I'd like to think that our country has advanced enough that we wouldn't elect someone choosing to be willfully ignorant in order to support outlandish religious claims, but who knows. We're behind most other developed countries in that regard. Either way, I'm not sure what qualifications Carson has. Outside of being a conservative minority and saying the things the far right wants to here. (inb4 "Well Obamao wasn't qualified either!") Both seem unique and different now, and our attracting the attention of the right. But the Rep is going to win the right and the Dem is going to win the left no matter what. They're going to have to win the middle to win the election. Can arrogant Trump do that? Can very religious Carson do that? The groups you listed above (outside of blacks) are very likely to vote Rep still anyway, Carson or not. What does he bring to pull votes from the middle or the left? Are you just banking on black people voting for him because he's black? Will Rep and middle women then just vote for Clinton because she is a women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I wish I was 22 and knew everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I wish I was 22 and knew everything. Seriously. Woody I've read your post but I'm working and it's gonna have to wait. I do have some thoughts on it so I'm not just ignoring you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I wish I was 22 and knew everything. I wish I could defer to my age and act like that meant anything. I mean, that's way easier than replying. Why try to make a good post when you can just say "I'm older than you, you're wrong, so there." ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Seriously. Woody I've read your post but I'm working and it's gonna have to wait. I do have some thoughts on it so I'm not just ignoring you. Great, I'd love to hear it. Do your best to say something better than "well you're 22" (I'm 23). Its just lazy and ignorant. What will allow Carson to win the national election? The groups you've told me he reaches the Reps will already take. You passively (or not) attack all of my posts as if you exists above everything. You're this genius looking down at all of the little people squabbling in the forums. With that kind of attitude, I expect something pretty fucking great as a response. I look forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 As lazy and ignorant as "well you do it too," ? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Did I reply to Blowe's post? Was it on topic? What else do you want? A half assed posts don't get full bodied responses. The point you made in your first post makes sense. Carson is cleaning up the fundamentalist vote. That vote will go to the conservative candidate pretty much no matter what. All I am asking for is why someone thinks Carson can win the general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Why would he not? Considering that a landslide is not really a landslidecent unless you consider the phony electoral college. The vote will most likely be slightly north or south of 45% - 50%. What are your choices? Hillary? The socialist? Why not? Besides handouts what do they have to offer? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Why would he not? Considering that a landslide is not really a landslidecent unless you consider the phony electoral college. The vote will most likely be slightly north or south of 45% - 50%. What are your choices? Hillary? The socialist? Why not? Besides handouts what do they have to offer? WSS Right, I get the you don't like the candidates on the left. A lot of posters here don't. These posters don't represent the entire population of the US though. It seems like, in the general head to head polls, Clinton has been predicted to pretty easily beat Carson. I feel like Carson is too far right to win a general election. He can stir up his base and get the support of people like Cal, but those people are voting R no matter what. But for the middle ground voter, what does he provide? He is an "outsider" and people hate politicians, I get that. But he does hold some unpopular social positions. I also feel he is still too religious to gain this middle ground vote. The average American is not that religious, and could be dissuaded by some of his standpoints. But we have a long way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 In the general election Carson will say Jesus every 4th word and win ~40% of the vote. I mean it's good for the republican party to get away from bible pounders but Trump was the only guy they could figure? A guy who's nearly every week insults women in some form? I just don't get it. Kasich, Rubio, Paul...all viable general election candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 http://www.cnn.com/2...tuses-research/ ****************************************************** Planned Parenthood was SELLING ORGANS OF MURDERED CHILDREN> Medical researchers using tissue is not selling anything. They don't know that planned parenthood was SELLING ORGANS OF MURDERED BABIES. I don't know at the time, if he knew the tissue came from murdered children - they may have died in the womb. The hypocrite label is ignorant nonsense. Did you read your own articles, where Carson explains that? And 1992 was nearly twenty freakin years ago. A lot has changed since then, don't you think, Blowe? And "crazy religious" ??? all Christians are "crazy" to you? In both articles you link to, Carson brilliantly explains why your blurb is unjustified. You just had a flagrantly embarrassing case of the "oopsies". I get it the guy who could run the country's position is the world is 6,000 years old and the statute of limitations has run out on using aborted fetus tissue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 "Crazy religious" and "Christian" are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I wish I could defer to my age and act like that meant anything. I mean, that's way easier than replying. Why try to make a good post when you can just say "I'm older than you, you're wrong, so there." ... Time is the greatest teacher of all. At 22 I would not expect you to understand that, but maybe you do. You may have knowledge, but you lack wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Oh no, he said "in before"... I have nothing to respond with now. Calm down, that was just meant to be a joke. I've stated multiple times that anyone who ignores a mountain of scientific evidence may need to rethink their position. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html Here are a bunch of head to head polls for the upcoming election. Neither seem to do pretty well up against Clinton. Ok. But Carson is just beginning to pickup steam, so I think that may be a bit unfair, but we'll go with it. Yes, anything can change. Yes, it is a long way to go. But some hype by a minority of voters on the right does not equate to winning a general election. It doesn't pull in the middle ground voters. Being black sure does help. Obama won 92% of the black vote. If Carson wins 50% that is a HUGE swing to the right. Sure, I'd like to think that our country has advanced enough that we wouldn't elect someone choosing to be willfully ignorant in order to support outlandish religious claims, but who knows. We're behind most other developed countries in that regard. Either way, I'm not sure what qualifications Carson has. Outside of being a conservative minority and saying the things the far right wants to here. So he thinks the Earth is 6000 years old. So what? Yes, one should not ignore that much evidence, but this is the only outlandish stance I've seen from Dr. Carson. If that is it then he is ahead of most other politician when it comes to "undesirable traits." (inb4 "Well Obamao wasn't qualified either!") HAHA. See? I can laugh. Both seem unique and different now, and our attracting the attention of the right. But the Rep is going to win the right and the Dem is going to win the left no matter what. They're going to have to win the middle to win the election. Can arrogant Trump do that? Can very religious Carson do that? Can criminal Hillary do that? She has had it easy so far dealing with the far left media, but once the candidates of the right have a chance to lay into her on Benghazi, e-mails, etc, let's see if she comes out squeeky clean as she has in the past. The groups you listed above (outside of blacks) are very likely to vote Rep still anyway, Carson or not. What does he bring to pull votes from the middle or the left? Are you just banking on black people voting for him because he's black? Will Rep and middle women then just vote for Clinton because she is a women? Black people voted for Obama just because he was black. Why not Carson? Sex and race are different. People tend to be prouder of race than sex. I see more black lives matter, black panther, proud african americans than I see feminists. Being black is enough to swing a large amount of votes from the Left to the Right. I AM NOT SAYING CARSON IS PERFECT! But he does pull a lot of votes to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowe Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 http://www.cnn.com/2...tuses-research/ ****************************************************** Planned Parenthood was SELLING ORGANS OF MURDERED CHILDREN> Medical researchers using tissue is not selling anything. They don't know that planned parenthood was SELLING ORGANS OF MURDERED BABIES. I don't know at the time, if he knew the tissue came from murdered children - they may have died in the womb. The hypocrite label is ignorant nonsense. Did you read your own articles, where Carson explains that? And 1992 was nearly twenty freakin years ago. A lot has changed since then, don't you think, Blowe? And "crazy religious" ??? all Christians are "crazy" to you? In both articles you link to, Carson brilliantly explains why your blurb is unjustified. You just had a flagrantly embarrassing case of the "oopsies". I was just teasing you because you said that you really admire him. We know Cal! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Right, I get the you don't like the candidates on the left. A lot of posters here don't. These posters don't represent the entire population of the US though. It seems like, in the general head to head polls, Clinton has been predicted to pretty easily beat Carson. I feel like Carson is too far right to win a general election. He can stir up his base and get the support of people like Cal, but those people are voting R no matter what. But for the middle ground voter, what does he provide? He is an "outsider" and people hate politicians, I get that. But he does hold some unpopular social positions. I also feel he is still too religious to gain this middle ground vote. The average American is not that religious, and could be dissuaded by some of his standpoints. But we have a long way to go We do and I get it you don't like Republican candidates either. Even if you give Democrats a pass that proclaim to be Christians. But I think you're kidding yourself is that everyone will feel as angry about Trump or Carson as you do.Face it all, Hillary isn't that lovable and she's no Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher or Golda Meier. I'd imagine that even among Democrats it will be hard for her to get passed Bernie Sanders who offers even more free ship then Obama! But you are correct, it is too soon to tell. Well over a year before the election. And who would have thought an unqualified black community organizer running against a bona fide war hero would have been president at this time before the last election? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 What was Herman Cain pulling as far as the black vote is concerned? Sure, there were people that voted for Obama just because he was black, and people who didn't just because he was black. And like I said, something similar will happen with Hillary and women. The only thing going for Carson and his ability to get votes that wouldn't already be his is the fact that he's black. So you're banking on a ton of black people voting for him just because of race, and then not losing votes because of his race. Other than that, he seems too far right in some of his views, and I think thr negative campaigning against him would be pretty rough (though I guess that could be said about almost any candidate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Black conservatives have a history of not getting blacks out to vote for them. They consider them to be "Uncle Toms". It is unfortunate but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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