calfoxwc Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 and one of my main concerns is right in the article - the ability to turn guns off remotely. "pretty utopian liberal idea"...that is unworkable in reality - http://patriotoutdoornews.com/17297/smart-gun-glitches-confirm-gun-owner-concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Only thing smart about a gun should be the person pulling the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 You should absolutely be able to make a thumb reading gun that has no susceptibility to an outside command. Any "smartgun" that can be remotely deactivated was deliberately designed so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 And it would be painfully easy for folks out there to discover if a smartgun had such a hidden backdoor. Sales of said gun over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I don't know. Any electronics can be jammed... The "wifi" ? unit that requires a bracelet, etc... can be hacked or jammed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I want my gun to work when I pull the trigger, period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 No goddamn way am I adding another layer of complexity to an item I need in a life or death situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I don't know. Any electronics can be jammed... The "wifi" ? unit that requires a bracelet, etc... can be hacked or jammed... To jam an insulated thumbreader might take a high altitude nuke to onock it out, but if its properly insulated not even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 The thumbreader would activate the instant you grip the gun. So in all likelihood the thing is unlocked before u even bring it on target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 But if it malfunctions, I end up with a paper weight and a sucking chest wound. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I don't even like safeties on my handguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Forget the high tech methods to override smart guns most dumb crooks wouldn't go there anyway it's the smart gun itself I don't really like. I'm not big on "oh shit" moments as it is especially when you grab a gun and expect it to FIRE not a dead battery or tech malfunction or even a regular gun jam....that's why I'll grab my revolver(s) first with BUGs of course. And nothing really beats a handy good ol' shotgun to ruin a bad aholes day. Double barrel or bolt action with a magazine works great and mine are like me old and extremely reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 What is the reliability of this added security feature vs the reliability of the mechanical components within the gun? Is there actually a legitimate concern, or is it just being blown up to appease the pro gun crowd? If the reliability of the gun is barely affected, I think it's a great idea. But I think pro gun groups like the NRA will fight it every step of the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 What is the reliability of this added security feature vs the reliability of the mechanical components within the gun? Is there actually a legitimate concern, or is it just being blown up to appease the pro gun crowd? If the reliability of the gun is barely affected, I think it's a great idea. But I think pro gun groups like the NRA will fight it every step of the way Anytime you add more steps involved in getting the weapon to fire, you have added another link in the chain that could potentially fuck up. If others feel compelled to add that extra bit of chance to their firearm, so be it. I won't be doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 You should absolutely be able to make a thumb reading gun that has no susceptibility to an outside command. Any "smartgun" that can be remotely deactivated was deliberately designed so In theory that's true. I know a few guys who have tried using the fingerprint unlock on their smartphones which according to everyone I've talked to is a little bit hinky. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Anytime you add more steps involved in getting the weapon to fire, you have added another link in the chain that could potentially fuck up. If others feel compelled to add that extra bit of chance to their firearm, so be it. I won't be doing that. That's true any time something gets added to anything, including your gun. Including safeties. If any loss of reliability was a deal breaker for you then there'd be people in here against safeties, because there is a chance they fail. I see this as a more high tech safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 In theory that's true. I know a few guys who have tried using the fingerprint unlock on their smartphones which according to everyone I've talked to is a little bit hinky. WSS Oh let me be very clear, if the thumb readers are made by the same ngr fgts that apple uses for their shiite ware....im out. I rescind my earlier diplomatic stance. Hinky is putting that shit nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Maybe it'd be good for military weapons that way when Isis picks them all up they can't use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Maybe it'd be good for military weapons that way when Isis picks them all up they can't use them. Isis doesnt pick up our weapons silly, they patiently for tje supply chopper to drop them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 That's true any time something gets added to anything, including your gun. Including safeties. If any loss of reliability was a deal breaker for you then there'd be people in here against safeties, because there is a chance they fail. I see this as a more high tech safety. I stated earlier that I don't purchase firearms with safeties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I don't even like safeties on my handguns. My home protection reach to is a Taurus .357 mag. I used to carry a 45ACP but switched to a 9mm due to more rounds available to fire. It took awhile for me to admit that was the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I stated earlier that I don't purchase firearms with safeties. That doesn't seem.... Safe Buh dum tsss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah these days the initial long pull on the first round is considered the safety, after which the action gets alot shorter. When i start carrying i most likely wont carry one in the chamber for that reason. The likelihood of being in an altercation where you dont have the nanosecond to pull the slide back first is remote. For cops tjough i can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah these days the initial long pull on the first round is considered the safety, after which the action gets alot shorter. When i start carrying i most likely wont carry one in the chamber for that reason. The likelihood of being in an altercation where you dont have the nanosecond to pull the slide back first is remote. For cops tjough i can see why. Srs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 My home protection reach to is a Taurus .357 mag. I used to carry a 45ACP but switched to a 9mm due to more rounds available to fire. It took awhile for me to admit that was the way to go. True and true. Sometimes people tend to try to complicate things that might be better off left with simple, tried and true effective solutions. Now I'm not against the modern firearms particularly for military and police but for basic home protection it's keep it simple stupid. ALSO if you have small children or maybe dumb older ones you might have to think that through again for safety, quick lockable safes, etc. And don't sell shotguns short in fact some lightweight, compact 20 ga multiple shot guns are great for home defense for men or women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Srs? Dude if someone breaks into ur house you have plenty of time to pull the slide. Someone would have to shape charge ur roof and rappell down into ur dick for u to not have the split sec it takes to pull the slide. If you witnessba robbery or mugging, still have olenty time. If someone robs you on the street with a gun they're literally feet away when you realize someones sticking you up....you dont have time to even pull the weapon beforevthat round is buried. The no safety thing makes sense for people who know with fair certainty they're going to be personally targeted and are on the constant lookout for it. Like someone who crossed the mob, probably want one in the chamber then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 If somebody was mugging you or came up to you in your car you'd probably be in a fire from the hip situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I like the double sided safety - I can flip it on faster than I can aim - it's just perfect. Most of the time, I don't carry with one in the chamber, but sometimes I have, like 2 AM in the train station in a bad part of town. etc. My ccw asked me once... "are you sure you'd have time to get one into the chamber?" I'm not sure - what if it was a surprise violent assault, you get your arm hit by ..whatever, and you don't have use of your second hand to wrack one into the chamber? you have a gun that won't shoot, regardless of the legit desperate need to save yourself and others with you. I've shot a .45, it feels like shooting off a tiny cannon.... the few times I've practiced with my 9mm, I think it's perfect. It won't stop a wild boar, though.... btw, if you know who actually gets elected, ammo is going to skyrocket and fly off the shelves faster than guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 That doesn't seem.... Safe Buh dum tsss Hey oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah these days the initial long pull on the first round is considered the safety, after which the action gets alot shorter. When i start carrying i most likely wont carry one in the chamber for that reason. The likelihood of being in an altercation where you dont have the nanosecond to pull the slide back first is remote. For cops tjough i can see why. This is not wise. Again, added step to a potential life or death situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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