The Gipper Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 This is Bill Belichick's line whenever his team has gotten beaten (and even sometime when his team has won). He just want to go on to talk about the next team he has on the schedule. (though usually he doesn't do that either). And as we know, Las Vegas is courting the Raiders to move there, and vice versa. So maybe someday soon we will here this out of BB and others. But my point in this is to do a bit of a breakdown of cities in the US that have 4 or more teams, 3 teams, 2 teams, 1 team, and no teams by size of Metropolitan area/Market that have teams in the 4 major sports, NBA/NHL/MLB/NFL. The number to the left will be that Metro regions market size: Cities/regions with at least 1 team in all 4 major sports: #1. New York 2. Los Angeles 3. Chicago 4. Washington/Baltimore 5. Bay Area. (Oak/SF/SJ) 6. Boston 7. Dallas 8. Philadelphia 10. Miami 12. Detroit 14. Minneapolis/St. Paul 16. Denver Cities/regions with teams in only 3 of the 4 major sports: #9. Houston 11. Atlanta 15. Cleveland 18. Tampa Bay 22. Pittsburgh Cities/regions with teams in only 2 of the 4 major sports: 13. Seattle. #17. San Diego 21. St. Louis 23. Charlotte 26. Kansas City 28. Indianapolis 30. Cincinnati 32. Milwaukee 33. Nashville 38. New Orleans 46. Buffalo Cities/regions with teams in only 1 of the 4 major sports: #19. Orlando 20. Portland 24. Sacramento 25. Salt Lake City t25. San Antonio 27. Columbus 31. Raleigh 36. Jacksonville 41. Oklahoma City 43. Memphis #103. Green Bay Cities/regions with -0- teams in the major sports. Note for this, I am only including metro areas that are larger than Buffalo, which is the 46th largest market in America (but which has 2 teams): #29. Las Vegas 34. Virginia Beach/Norfolk 35. Greensboro NC 37. Louisville 39. Hartford 40. Grand Rapids 42. Greeneville/Spartanburg SC 44. Birmingham Ala. 45. Harrisburg Pa. So, note this: there are 18 markets in the US that actually have more people than the Buffalo market, but which have only 1 or no teams. If the NFL moved to Vegas, there would actually be 5 smaller markets that have teams than Vegas: Buffalo/Jacksonville/New Orleans/Nashville/Cincinnati. And Vegas right now is the biggest market in America without a major league franchise. Now that the Rams have moved back to LA, it is St. Louis which they left that is now the largest market without an NFL team. (however, not above San Antonio is #25.....if San Antonio and Austin were combined, they would be the largest non NFL market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Seattle only has two. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Seattle only has two. Zombo Oops, right. Fixing it. Used to have 3 with Supersonics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Damn I came on here hoping for a drawing for a free Vegas trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Sports Main article: Sports in the Las Vegas metropolitan area. Las Vegas does not have major league sports, although the metropolitan population is as large or larger than many cities that have them. The only minor league sports team that plays in the city of Las Vegas are the Las Vegas 51s of the Pacific Coast League, the AAA farm club of the New York Mets. In response to continuing rumors of a potential National Hockey League expansion team in Las Vegas, ESPN writer Scott Burnside noted several obstacles that would be faced by the city if it were to become a professional sports market, including the presence of legal sports betting, scheduling conflicts with the large amount of residents who work nighttime and overnight shifts, and that the casinos would be unlikely to give away tickets to such events as a promotion, as they run contrary to a goal of encouraging patrons to remain in their facilities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer. I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Cleveland gets a lot of credit but MANY of the fans come from far and wide to support Cleveland. Cleveland Browns are repped all over the state. I drive and hour and a half to the games and other than a couple Steelers fans that need attention, I pretty much live in Brownstown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Vegas is pretty transient, but I bet the NFL would be supported there by the residents. I don't want the Raiders to leave Oakland, but they might be the once franchise that could match up well if they went there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My issue with a team in Vegas is who is going to go to these games? I see that Vegas has a population of nearly 700,000, while the entire state of Nevada only has a population of 2.8 million. Let's say that Vegas gets a stadium, I would say that being the big show Vegas is that they would try to 1up Dallas' stadium. Dallas stadium holds 111,000 people... that would be like 1 out of every 7 people living in Vegas would have to attend the games to fill it up. Now you may get some tourists to go to the games but usually only the people who's team back home is playing would attend. I don't see that much of a market. People go to win money and gamble in Vegas. I don't know if they would be willing to shell out 10 bucks or more for a beer. I think the idea is awesome.. showgirl cheerleaders and the setting would be epic. Maybe giant jackpot machines that rain down golden coin confetti whenever the home team scores... I don't know but I think that gambling and football are a bad combination... we already have paid off officials to mess with the outcome of the games from Pit and Cincy, imagine the headache of refs throwing penalties to cover the spreads and.... eh, there are more DESERVING cities that should get a team before Vegas. Right- to fill a 70,000 seat stadium- you'd need 1\10th of the population of Vegas to show up. If you've ever been, once you get outside the Vegas city limits- there's a whole lot of nothing. The two nearest major metropolis- Los Angeles and Phoenix are a at least a 3 hour drive away- doing around 90. MHO is Oakland needs to pony up for a new stadium- the locals should know the drill by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan. 'The Black Hoe" will never be the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan. If you move to Vegas and the Raiders don't you can be a Cards fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Why even switch teams? The Steelers won't kick you out of the club just for moving to Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan. Too bad I don't care to gamble much Tom. On my one trip there, I bought all the co-workers $5 tickets at Harrah's on their favorite teams to win the Super Bowl. My neighbor lived there for years as a session musician, and moved back to Ohio. Says it got pretty boring. The good things about Vegas? No discernible bug population, and it's a nice jumping off point to Zion (2-1\2 hour drive) and the Grand Canyon (4 hours). I'll paraphrase what I once heard about Wyoming. The two prettiest sights in Nevada are Wheeler Peak, and seeing Las Vegas in your rear-view mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns_Fucking_Rule Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 There needs to be a law that prohibits companies from holding cities hostage "give us something free or we will leave to greener pastures"... happens all the time and its bullshit unethical tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillmotion Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 I love vegas! I had a fling with a stripper from there! plus those buffets and all you can drink for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 How'd you come up with the population rankings? Dallas should be 4th. Cleveland seems high. Houston is too low. These are metropolitan area rankings, not city proper population rankings. US Census Bureau 2014 estimates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area#List_of_combined_statistical_areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient? Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area 2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59% Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets. So, I think they would hold their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Want to go to Vegas for a week? I can set you up with a Getaway with my timeshare exchange company. As low as around $350.00 for a studio. http://www.intervalworld.com/web/cs?a=1014&r=0.5426452640251889&saveSearch=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob806 Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Transient? 1.8 million residents? Transient? What I meant was most of the population has moved there from elsewhere, like Atlanta in the 80s. The Arizona Cardinals still don't have a clear "home field advantage" when they play teams like Dallas & Green Bay, after moving there nearly 30 years ago. It will be the same situation in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ Combined Statistical Area 2,362,015 2,195,401 +7.59% Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area Pahrump, NV Micropolitan Statistical Area Over 2.3 million actually. They have more than Cincy, and Nashville and 3 other NFL markets. So, I think they would hold their own. Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Vegas is my favorite place on earth. I hope to be permanently resided there in the coming 2 years. If the Raiders move there? I am all in a Raiders fan. How could anyone on this board not be hoping for Vegas to get the Raiders now?!?!? j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Footwear Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes. The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built. Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem. The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not. I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Arizona doesn't give me a Bona..................... Vegas does.You get the "thumbs up" which is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Us environmentalists are concerned. Once Vegas and Phoenix drain Lake Mead, too bad, so sad. They're already bitching in California over water rights. Kingman is 100 miles away- almost the same distance between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I suppose you could make the trip in an hour and change driving 90 mph through the Mojave desert. The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 The times I have traveled through the Mojave, I have done 90. LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still. Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time? Home fans won't even be half the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 Davis seems like he genuinely wants to move here. Supposedly remaining in Oakland is off the board and it's either going to be Vegas or Los Angeles. Davis has pledged 500 million(counting on a $200mil loan from the NFL) toward a $1.4B stadium. The LVCVA(Convention Authority) is planning a huge project($2B+) funded by $ from increased hotel room taxes. From what I understand, some of that money will be diverted to funding the stadium. We don't have state taxes here and I think all of the public $ will come from hotel taxes. The Raiders wouldn't start playing here for another 3 or so years because UNLV's stadium sucks and is barely suited for cfb,let alone the NFL. UNLV also owns the land on which the stadium would be built. Some of the "in the know" sports figures here have said that the owners would never approve the move due to the stigma of gambling,but others say approval won't be a problem. The expectation is that Vegas would be a draw for fans of opposing teams. I am curious to see how the locals would support a team. There seems to be a decent base of Raider fans here. I hope it happens. I don't care if we land an NHL team or not. I thought this had a about a 1% chance of happening when I first heard about it, but now I would say maybe there is a 30% chance. I don't think the team would have trouble selling tickets. I think a lot of fans of opposing teams would make a trip out there for a road trip to see their team play the Raiders. I would consider it. I would also not be surprised if a lot of East Bay Raider fans would maintain their loyalty to the team. The question is: If they announce that they are going to move, and get approval to do so, where would they play for the next 3 years while a stadium is being built? You say no stadium in Vegas now is worthy. Would they stay in Oakland? Would they be welcome to stay in Oakland? Would they go elsewhere temporarily. LA? Where would they play? In the Coliseum like the Rams are? The Rose Bowl? Or would they do a temporary stint in San Antonio in the Alamodome? How about Salt Lake? Is there a college stadium there they could use temporarily while they cultivate that market for fans? (That is Bronco territory basically right now). How about London? How about the new Tom Benson Stadium in Canton Ohio next to the PFHOF? (too small....only a bit over 22K capacity) Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 LOL Gipper, I was driving 90 and getting passed like I was standing still. Just one thought Gip- if you want to count Kingman in Las Vegas area, by that standard, Youngstown, Mansfield, and Sandusky count for Cleveland. Actually, they may.....see the link in post #18. At least Sandusky is in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 To an uniformed man like myself the first thing that came to mind is suely the ground will be full of away fans on trips every time? Home fans won't even be half the stadium. Perhaps initially until they really build up their home season ticket base. But I see nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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