Browns Trade #6 Overall To Atlanta

[ATENEARS]

Browns trade #6 overall to Atlanta and receive: #27 pick this year + 2nd round & 4th round pick this year, and 1st round pick and 4th round pick next season.

 

The Browns now have the 27th, 37th, 59th and 70th choices in this draft.

[ATENEARS]

anti-climatic.... we'll see says the zen master. The 1st round pick next year isnt even worth a lot because Atlanta will be in the playoffs itll be mid 20's or higher.......

 

So will we, so we can package them both and pick in the first hour again if you want someone of need.

[dawg08]

anti-climatic.... we'll see says the zen master. The 1st round pick next year isnt even worth a lot because Atlanta will be in the playoffs itll be mid 20's or higher.......

 

I'd have to agree that #1 pick next year isn't going to be above #20. I wonder if there is a stipulation in the deal?? Say.. Atlanta falls on their face next year and lands in the top 10, will the Browns keep that pick??

[Bob806]

It's hard to embrace this right now, we'll just have to wait & see, & trust our front office.

[Mr. T]

anti-climatic.... we'll see says the zen master. The 1st round pick next year isnt even worth a lot because Atlanta will be in the playoffs itll be mid 20's or higher.......

 

 

Well the way I look at it is they have just picked up another wild card in a game of poker. We can keep the pick and see what it brings us next year or we can use it in another trade and get even more picks in this year and nexts draft.

[beefjerky]

I didn't like it at first but then when I thought about it, it was the right move. We need a lot of players right now and we get their 2nd this year as well. As well as their 1st next year(which will likely be in the 20s but still), and some late rounders this/next year.

 

I would have hated it if Green was available, but alas, he wasn't.

 

Definitely like Heckert so much better than what we had before (Mangini who was worse, and then Savage who was 1000000x worse). He definitely knows what he's doing.

[Unsympathetic]

One thing about this: Now he has to absolutely hit on those players.. can't miss on any of them. It's not OK to get just 2 serviceable starters out of those 3 extra picks this year - when we could have had an impact starter.

 

Hopefully Holmgren packages one or more of those picks to move back up for Jimmy Smith.

[BuckeyeBrown]

anti-climatic.... we'll see says the zen master. The 1st round pick next year isnt even worth a lot because Atlanta will be in the playoffs itll be mid 20's or higher.......

 

dumb comment. still a first rounder. NE doesn't just collect late first rounders and second round picks because they're worthless.

[runyon27]

It's hard to embrace this right now, we'll just have to wait & see, & trust our front office.

 

What are you talking about, we raped the Falcons in this trade, we got freakin 5 pics from them. You build team through the draft and we just got more draft picks, and high ones to help this team.

[hoorta]

Well I changed my mind as the 1st round developed... THEN we traded UP and ruined it to REACH. Awesome.

 

Sorry, not that huge a reach. Just because some "rankings" had him slotted 10 spots lower? You want to talk about a HUGE reach, that would be the Vikings taking Ponder @ #12.

 

Yeah, we "reached" last year for TJ Ward- how did that one turn out?

[ClevelandBigDawg]

This trade was absolutely amazing. Until we traded up. I think we may have been able to get him when we picked but, not too sure. This guy could turn out to be Richard Semour which we would all take,

[Pumpkin Eater]

This trade was absolutely amazing. Until we traded up. I think we may have been able to get him when we picked but, not too sure. This guy could turn out to be Richard Semour which we would all take,

 

They only traded a third rounder to move up. Not too bad of a trade. Who knows if he would have still been there. It's nice to have two first rounders next year.

[Bob806]

What are you talking about, we raped the Falcons in this trade, we got freakin 5 pics from them. You build team through the draft and we just got more draft picks, and high ones to help this team.

 

I know we got extra picks, which may turn out to be a great, wonderful, exciting, you name the adjective thing.

 

I'm just saying we have no way of knowing how this will pan out, and neither does our front office. Forgive me if I'm sounding negative, it's just my take...I'm as big of a fan who's ever lived, believe me.

 

I hope we can get Ayers from UCLA,. we need speed real bad.

[gmp]

What are you talking about, we raped the Falcons in this trade, we got freakin 5 pics from them. You build team through the draft and we just got more draft picks, and high ones to help this team.

 

Big Friggin Deal..watch Julio Jones blow up and be an all time great! while the Browns 5 picks are mutts.

Happens all the time...still no skilled position players??? yawn!!

[Loyalty]

Who was going to take Taylor before #27....?

[The Gipper]

Big Friggin Deal..watch Julio Jones blow up and be an all time great! while the Browns 5 picks are mutts.

Happens all the time...still no skilled position players??? yawn!!

 

Or, maybe he will end up being a Charles Rogers or Mike Williams.

One a complete bust, the other a 2d or 3rd receiver on a mediocre team.

[beefjerky]

Big Friggin Deal..watch Julio Jones blow up and be an all time great! while the Browns 5 picks are mutts.

Happens all the time...still no skilled position players??? yawn!!

Remember when Savage would spend his top picks on the likes of Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow? Yeah.

 

The whole reason why the Browns have to draft fat guys who shore the lines on both sides is because of the horrible past management. The Tim Couch pick crippled the Browns for years as well. The Falcons are in a position to be able to take a player like Jones where as the Browns would rather have more players, of course if I were running Atlanta I'd have gotten a pass rusher with the 27th pick and traded up in the 20s range for a guy like Baldwin to be the #2 over there. Or maybe trade up, get Amukamara or Jimmy Smith since they have secondary needs, then get Baldwin.

 

Regardless, they're in a better position to take a player like Jones than the Browns who have several more needs than them.

 

The only good top pick prior to Heckert and Mangini's regime since the Browns' return was Joe Thomas, that's it.

[Loyalty]

Remember when Savage would spend his top picks on the likes of Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow? Yeah.

 

The whole reason why the Browns have to draft fat guys who shore the lines on both sides is because of the horrible past management. The Tim Couch pick crippled the Browns for years as well. The Falcons are in a position to be able to take a player like Jones where as the Browns would rather have more players, of course if I were running Atlanta I'd have gotten a pass rusher with the 27th pick and traded up in the 20s range for a guy like Baldwin to be the #2 over there. Or maybe trade up, get Amukamara or Jimmy Smith since they have secondary needs, then get Baldwin.

 

Regardless, they're in a better position to take a player like Jones than the Browns who have several more needs than them.

 

The only good top pick prior to Heckert and Mangini's regime since the Browns' return was Joe Thomas, that's it.

One of the best posts so far...

 

Exactly right. This team is not a playoff contender until 2013 at the soonest. Build through the draft and success will follow.

 

Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Winslow, Edwards.... See the trend?...

 

Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Phil Taylor (if he doesn't blow up to 400 lbs).... See the trend?... Build from the trenches up and you will see LASTING improvement.

[Loyalty]

Loyalty I agree. I just hope they hurry things up a little. I'd like for them to start winning before Joe Thomas retires.

You, me,everyone else... and Joe Thomas agree.

[Pumpkin Eater]

Excellent points, Loyalty.

[The Gipper]

One of the best posts so far...

 

Exactly right. This team is not a playoff contender until 2013 at the soonest. Build through the draft and success will follow.

 

Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Winslow, Edwards.... See the trend?...

 

Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Phil Taylor (if he doesn't blow up to 400 lbs).... See the trend?... Build from the trenches up and you will see LASTING improvement.

 

 

I think you both may have your heads where the sun don't shine. The Tim Couch pick didn't put the franchise back. It was the lack of getting any talent on the O-line in front of him and a decent RB behind him, and the demand that he be immediately thrown into the fire that set back the franchise. Aside from that he is still the only QB that has led this team to the playoffs since 1999.

Also, where do you think it was that Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren played? Ballerina? They played in the trenches....and all they ended up having was trench mouth. Yes, building up the trenches is a good idea.....as long as you pick the right people, just like any other position.

[hoorta]

Big Friggin Deal..watch Julio Jones blow up and be an all time great! while the Browns 5 picks are mutts.

Happens all the time...still no skilled position players??? yawn!!

 

Did you watch any of the draft? Especially the series of Jon Gruden clips of Jones where he looked like Braylon Edwards II? Scared the bejusus out of me, and glad we didn't take him.

 

This team isn't going to the playoffs this year, stockpiling future picks was a great idea- and most of the pundits thought the Browns made the best trade of Day 1.

[beefjerky]

I think you both may have your heads where the sun don't shine. The Tim Couch pick didn't put the franchise back. It was the lack of getting any talent on the O-line in front of him and a decent RB behind him, and the demand that he be immediately thrown into the fire that set back the franchise. Aside from that he is still the only QB that has led this team to the playoffs since 1999.

Also, where do you think it was that Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren played? Ballerina? They played in the trenches....and all they ended up having was trench mouth. Yes, building up the trenches is a good idea.....as long as you pick the right people, just like any other position.

Which is exactly why you don't pick Tim Couch, I'm not blaming Tim Couch, I'm blaming the management at the time for picking him with nothing around him. They set him up for failure. He got that big fat contract which was eating away cap space, and I hear that he's actually still getting checks although I'm not sure if that's true.

 

They could have signed a veteran QB to build the team first. Damien Woody or John Tait would have been a better pick that year, since I'm assuming they probably couldn't trade down, at the time everyone would have criticized and been unhappy with the pick, but it would have actually been the best pick.

 

And if the trade down was actually possible, then the Browns management that year was even dumber.

[The Gipper]

Which is exactly why you don't pick Tim Couch, I'm not blaming Tim Couch, I'm blaming the management at the time for picking him with nothing around him. They set him up for failure. He got that big fat contract which was eating away cap space, and I hear that he's actually still getting checks although I'm not sure if that's true.

 

OK, fair enough. We are on the same page there though I don't think it was an issue of the cap space it was just an issue of them not having anything else around him then throwing him to the wolves.

 

They could have signed a veteran QB to build the team first.

 

They did sign a veteran QB: Ty Detmer. Its just that when they lost that first game so badly to the Steelers they panicked and insisted on putting Couch in there.

 

Damien Woody or John Tait would have been a better pick that year, since I'm assuming they probably couldn't trade down, at the time everyone would have criticized and been unhappy with the pick, but it would have actually been the best pick.

 

And if the trade down was actually possible, then the Browns management that year was even dumber.

 

Hell yes, the trade down was possible. In fact, remember that Mike Ditka offered to trade all of his draft choices for the right to get Ricky Williams. The Browns should have taken that for sure. The thing they needed then was a multiplicity of decent talented bodies, not one "flash package" of a rookie QB on an expansion team.

(the only problem of course was that even if they had traded that first pick for multiple picks, Clark or whoever was choosing was doing such a poor job that he would have probably blew all those extra picks on poor choices as well, just like he did for 3 years.

[rich4eagle]

I didn't like it at first but then when I thought about it, it was the right move. We need a lot of players right now and we get their 2nd this year as well. As well as their 1st next year(which will likely be in the 20s but still), and some late rounders this/next year.

 

I would have hated it if Green was available, but alas, he wasn't.

 

Definitely like Heckert so much better than what we had before (Mangini who was worse, and then Savage who was 1000000x worse). He definitely knows what he's doing.

 

My original and ongoing thought is if you have nothing start with an offensive stud who touches the ball. So at first, like you I hated the move. But we get a lot in return. The problem with that thinking unless you know who want and can get them, FA's can fill a lot of holes. Is Heckert the new Belichick.............nothing says so so far.........and Holmgren disappoints in recent months

 

But we have a new braintrust that has a brain instead of being braindead for nearly ten years

[xfl2001fan]

Don't count on Atlanta's 1st pick next year being 20+ They have a LOT of free agents, 3 of which are on their offensive line. If they can't protect Matty Ice...or open holes for Michael Turner...they will lose a LOT more games this year.

 

Outside of their division (which also has New Orleans and an up and coming Tampa Bay), they have the NFCN and AFCS.

 

At Chicago, Indianapolis, Houston, Detroit and Seattle

Home for Philly, Green Bay, Minnesota, Tennessee and Jacksonville

 

There are a lot of tough teams on that schedule...and if they have any health issues (or problems retaining their own free agents, let alone bringing in a few new ones), they could easily be on the outside looking in. I can easily see this being a pick that is between 10 and 15.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Michael Turner, not Matt Forte.

 

 

I just farted a Cinnabon.

[xfl2001fan]

Michael Turner, not Matt Forte.

 

 

I just farted a Cinnabon.

BAH...good catch. Regardless...they have (I believe) 12 players who are UFA...many of which were key to last season's playoff run. It'll be hard for them to keep them all...and unless Julio Jones turns out to be Randy Moss/Larry Fitzgerald, he won't have near as much of an impact (this year) as a lot of Falcon fans are hoping for.

[jnuh]

Which is exactly why you don't pick Tim Couch, I'm not blaming Tim Couch, I'm blaming the management at the time for picking him with nothing around him. They set him up for failure. He got that big fat contract which was eating away cap space, and I hear that he's actually still getting checks although I'm not sure if that's true.

 

They could have signed a veteran QB to build the team first. Damien Woody or John Tait would have been a better pick that year, since I'm assuming they probably couldn't trade down, at the time everyone would have criticized and been unhappy with the pick, but it would have actually been the best pick.

 

And if the trade down was actually possible, then the Browns management that year was even dumber.

 

Really?? Damien Woody or John Tait first overall?? I am all for building the trenches ... but coming out Woody was a center/gaurd you cant take him one overall. Neither of those guys were even top 10 picks (if I remember correctly ... maybe top 15) Drafting one of them would have fine if they traded out of the spot, but at one that would have been looked at as the dumbest draft day move ever.

 

The actual Couch pick was fine ... it was the picks after him that were the problem. They should have focused the rest of that draft and the following draft on suring up the O-Line maybe even continue that into 01 and 02. KJ was a nice WR - but they wasted our second round picks in 00-02 on Northcutt-Morgan-A. Davis all those were DUMB moves. Were they planning on running a run and shoot??

 

I also hated the William Green pick because I loved Portis coming out that year and figured Butch would have too. We could have had a real stud (LaCharles was who I wanted or Ed Reed was on the board ... dumb Butch loved Miami guys except 2 of the best over the last 10 years) that year instead of Green and then Portis in the second instead of Davis.

 

It is all water under the bridge though. And I love the trading for multiple picks and building through the draft. Especially the trenches.

[xfl2001fan]

Really?? Damien Woody or John Tait first overall?? I am all for building the trenches ... but coming out Woody was a center/gaurd you cant take him one overall. Neother of those guys weren't even top 10 picks (if I remember correctly ... maybe top 15) Drafting one of them would have fine if they traded out of the spot, but at one that would have been looked at as the dumbest draft day move ever.

Unfortunately, too many people suffer from revisionist history...where they believe we could go back (knowing now what we didn't know then) and make better decisions.

 

I was excited about the Couch pick back then...though I realized (shortly afterwards) that we really desperately needed to fix our O-line. I loved KJ as a WR...but he was better suited for a #2 role...and not the #1. I wouldn't have minded having Donovan McNabb..because his athleticism might have allowed him to survive our O-line issues (well, at least he would have survived longer.)

 

Regardless, Couch as a pick wasn't necessarily a mistake, but the teams plan for building was.