The Gipper Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 At age 48, Todd Marinovich, QB once drafted in round one by Raiders, is now back to playing QB for the Southern Cal Coyotes: https://sports.yahoo.com/todd-marinovich-returns-football-seriously-184526672.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 Sometimes you just wonder why, money, other?.... http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/bartolo-colon-signs-minor-league-deal-with-minnesota-twins-1.13788300 ....ST. LOUIS Bartolo Colon engineered a memorable late-career run by perfecting the art of pumping well-spotted fastballs. But it turns out that the 44-year-old righthander still has a decent changeup, too. Colon is headed back to New York but to Rochester, home of the Twins Triple-A affiliate, not Flushing. In a surprise, he spurned the overtures of the Mets to sign a minor-league deal with the Twins, who announced the move last night with a tweet referencing Colon by the nickname he earned during his colorful tenure at Citi Field: Big Sexy. According to a source, the Mets were caught off guard by the decision, especially given that he was told hed be moved into the back end of the starting rotation when ready. But Colon seemed to have concern about being bumped into the bullpen once the Mets injured starters got healthy. We made a strong effort to re-sign Bartolo, general manager Sandy Alderson said in a statement issued by the club. But he decided to go elsewhere....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 Some love the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Share Posted July 10, 2017 Some love the game. That might be true for a select few especially for players that are set for life and continue to play. I wonder how many have blown their fortunes and need to play, tough assignment after 35 or 40. (yeah I'm a money guy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I'm 35 and not quite as spongey as I was at 25 but I can still manage a few rabbits out of my hat from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 https://youtu.be/ldQrapQ4d0Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 This is a joke , right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I'm 35 and not quite as spongey as I was at 25 but I can still manage a few rabbits out of my hat from time to time. Question is will someone pay you to manage a few from time to time or put another way are you good enough to hang on like a LHP or a serviceable backup QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Marijuanavich at 48? Hey, we're waiting til the 12th of Never for Josh Gordon. And after all the silly conversations about DGB lately, I'm suddenly finding myself way more willing to go Linus in the Pumpkin Patch for Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Marijuanavich at 48? Hey, we're waiting til the 12th of Never for Josh Gordon. And after all the silly conversations about DGB lately, I'm suddenly finding myself way more willing to go Linus in the Pumpkin Patch for Gordon. Maybe the Robo-QB discovered some new Gatorade concoction that will keep him a viable NFL QB into his 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 What a waste of forum space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Maybe the Robo-QB discovered some new Gatorade concoction that will keep him a viable NFL QB into his 50s. He wasn't playing in the NFL....It was for like the California Coyotes or something.....some semi-pro league. Maybe even like a 35 and over league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 What a waste of forum space. OK....lets waste some more: George Blanda played until he was like 49 years old. What other really old geezers played in the NFL (non-kickers). and Satchel Paige still pitched in the big leagues until he was like 59. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 OK....lets waste some more: George Blanda played until he was like 49 years old. What other really old geezers played in the NFL (non-kickers). and Satchel Paige still pitched in the big leagues until he was like 59. Blanda played as a kicker and QB when the NFL had little guys, he'd get destroyed today. Paige was a rare rubber armed freak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Blanda played as a kicker and QB when the NFL had little guys, he'd get destroyed today. Paige was a rare rubber armed freak! Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43 Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 What the hell. I'd like to see the guy have a little bit of success, why not? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43 Zombo Yes, that bullshit about players of old getting destroyed today is a pile of ignorance. FYI, the only positions where guys are bigger now are the OL and DL...due to weight training, conditioning...and just them being fatter. The average height/weight of RBs is no more now than today. (compare Jim Brown at 6'2 232. OJ was 6'1" 212. RBs are no bigger than that. Weight training may have them weigh a bit more. WRs today are probably smaller overall. The game back then required big WRs due to bump and run. Smurfs like we have now would get destroyed. DBs and LBs are really no bigger now. Night Train Lane was 6'1 200. Mel Blount 6'3" 201. On LBs. Dick Butkus was 6'3 245. Nitschke was 6'2 240. Our MLB today, Christian Kirksey is 6'2 236. QBs may, overall be an inch or so taller overall. But you still have a lot of 6'2 QBs playing now. Blanda was 6'2 220. Aaron Rodgers is 6'2" 225. So, given that Blanda and Rodgers are essentially the same dimensions, height/weight...does that mean that Rodgers would get destroyed today as well? With the less strict rules about hitting the QBs than we have now it is Rodgers et al who may have been destroyed....by a Joe Greene, Merlin Olsen slobberknocker hit....that would not have been penalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43 Zombo 1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less.NOTE: NOT THE ROSTER I WANTED BUT CLOSE: http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20141227/NEWS/141229705 1974 SB CHAMP STEELERS Joe Green 6' 4" 275# all the rest weigh less some much less. NO 300# dudes back then. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1974_roster.htm Some of those dudes would have trouble making a 2017 roster. Different game now, even NCAA rosters are fast strong and B-I-G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Just part of the 2017 BUCKEYES roster, B-I-G dudes! (8 from OHIO 5 others) http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/osu-m-footbl-mtt.html 50 Brock, Nathan OL 6-4 285 SO Powell, Ohio (Olentangy Liberty) 52 Davis, Wyatt OL 6-4 310 FR Bellflower, Calif. (St. John Bosco) 53 Hamilton, Davon DT 6-4 300 RS SO Pickerington, Ohio (Central) 54 Price, Billy OL 6-4 312 SR Austintown, Ohio (Fitch) 55 Barrow, Malik DT 6-2 290 RS FR Tampa, Fla. (Catholic & IMG Academy) 58 Alabi, Joshua DT 6-5 300 RS SO Detroit, Mich. (Cass Tech) 59 Lewis, Tyquan DL 6-4 265 SR Tarboro, N.C. (Tarboro) 59 Prince, Isaiah OL 6-7 310 JR Greenbelt, Md. (Eleanor Roosevelt) 60 Pfenning, Blake OL 6-5 290 JR Wapakoneta, Ohio (Wapakoneta) 61 Cupp, Gavin OL 6-5 305 RS FR Leipsic, Ohio (Leipsic H.S.) 62 Pahl, Brandon OL 6-2 295 JR Cutler, Ohio (Warren) 63 Woidke, Kevin OL 6-6 295 JR Cleveland, Ohio (St. Ignatius) 64 Wohlabaugh, Jack OL 6-4 293 RS FR Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio (Walsh Jesuit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Those guys in the 70's weren't exactly "little guys" ... I think your Mean Joe Greenes, Merlin Olsens etc. could play today ... and Blanda engineered 5 comeback wins in a row at age 43 Zombo Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Maybe if this was about Brett favre, or even bernie but Marinovich oh my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck The Frowns Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 This is a joke , right? Not yet but it will be. He was arrested again last August. Apparently practicing his Naked Bootleg in the neighbor's back yard. He must have gone through every substance known. He is trying to numb some pain. There are some real monstrosities out there serving as sports parents, pro tennis parents can be pretty bad, but Marinovich's father takes the cake. I would describe what he did as a cross between the Pat Morita character in The Karate Kid and a Nazi breeding experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just to complete the circle Olson and two other guys weighed 270# on the 1975 Rams. Blanda and other skilled players were getting hit by smaller dudes back then. It's strange when you go back in time and find out how your memory can play tricks on you....the steel curtain and fearsome foursome weren't really that big afterall. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/1975_roster.htm I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs. DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271 Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s. As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL. So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less. 2017 Browns DEs: Garrett 271. Emmanuel Ogbah 269 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 1964 BROWNS only two 270# DEs on the team all the rest way less. NOTE: NOT THE ROSTER I WANTED BUT CLOSE: http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20141227/NEWS/141229705 1974 SB CHAMP STEELERS Joe Green 6' 4" 275# all the rest weigh less some much less. NO 300# dudes back then. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/1974_roster.htm Some of those dudes would have trouble making a 2017 roster. Different game now, even NCAA rosters are fast strong and B-I-G. The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 The lineman are bigger on both sides of the ball. Particularly on offense. Which would presume a qb like Blanda would actually be better protected today, not "killed" because the guys are bigger. Z To repeat....he was the same size as Aaron Rodgers.....and not only would he be playing behind a bigger OL, the protection rules for QBs that apply today would by all means help him. And, also...as I described above...it is only DTs on the defense that are bigger, not DEs. See the following: 2017 Pro Bowl DEs: Khalil Mack 6'3 247 Cameron Wake 6'3 269 Jadaveon Clowne 6'6 267 Everson Griffen 6'3 273 Cliff Avril 6'3 260 Michael Bennett 6'4 274 1970 Pro Bowl DEs: Carl Eller 6'6 257 Rich Jackson 6'3 255 Deacon Jones 6'5 272 Claude Humphrey 6'4 253 Bubba Smith 6'7 266 Jerry Mays 6'4 252 Maybe what? A 5 pound average difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 As noted, interior DTs/NTs are much bigger now: 2017 Pro Bowl DTs: Geno Atkins 6'1 302 Ndamakong Suh 6'4 307 Jurrell Casey 6'1 300 Linval Joseph 6'4 323 Gerald McCoy 6'4 295 Fletcher Cox 6'4 298 1970 Pro Bowl DTs Gary Larsen 6'5 261 Joe Greene 6'4 276 John Elliott 6'4 244 Merlin Olsen 6'5 270 Alan Page 6'4 245 Given their respective height, I suspect that these guys could have bulked up...if required, with the right training, nutrition. But that was not called for then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 And here are the MLBs: 2017 Pro Bowlers (many more because players bugged out due to injury): Zach Brown 6'1 242 Ryan Shazier 6'2 229 CJ Mosley 6'2 238 Donta Hightower 6'3 265 Bobby Wagner 6'0 241 Sean Lee 6'2 229 Luke Kuechley 6'3 235 1970 Pro Bowlers: Dick Butkus 6'3 245 Willie Lanier 6'1 245 Mick Curtis 6'3 232 Tommy Nobis 6'2 240 absolutely no difference...in fact, on average I think the 1970 group outweighs the 2017 group. (Donta Hightower is an exception...he is like 25 pounds heavier than his fellow 2017 MLBs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just for shits and giggles, let's look at the QBs. This is a bit skewed because these days the QBs pussy out of the Pro Bowl...so you have 10 Pro Bowl QBs. Where, in 1970, each conference only had two QBs: 1970 John Brodie 6'1 198 Darryl Lamonica 6'4 215 Bob Griese 6'0 190 Fran Tarkenton 6'0 190 2017 Alex Smith 6'4 215 Ben R. 6'5 241 Derek Carr 6'3 218 Tom Brady 6'4 225 Andy Dalton 6'2 220 Drew Brees 6'0 209 Kirk Cousin 6'3 210 Dak Prescott 6'2 229 Aaron Rodgers 6'2 225 Matt Ryan 6'4 220 This group of QBs is overall taller than 1970 (I think the 1970 Pro Bowl group was pretty short... thought 6'1 was a common height: Unitas, Bart Starr. Others that may have made a Pro Bowl if they let in 10 guys could include the 6'5 Roman Gabriel. 6'4 Craig Morton. The 6'3 Terry Bradshaw, and a few others. But, yes, QBs today are generally taller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think you are right....YOUR memory IS playing tricks on you. As I said....the size of nearly everyone back then is no smaller now than they are today except for OL....and actually just DTs/NTs. DEs are about the same: Deacon Jones was 6'5" 275. Myles Garrett is 6'5" 271 Yes, DT Joe Greene was 275. DTs today do top 300. On defense ONLY DTs are bigger now than they were in the 60/70s. As I said, most of the weight gain are with DTs and OL. So, the answer is: bullshit....Blanda et al were NOT being hit by smaller guys. Except on rare occasions. I was replying to the Joe Greene and Merlin Olsen comment, they were the biggest guys on their teams and smaller than most NCAA and PRO players today. The 250, 260 guys would get crushed by the 300 and 310 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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