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So much for me thinking we can snag Perriman in round 2 - here's a quick tidbit about the day he had yesterday:

 

The big story Wednesday on the Pro Day circuit was unquestionably the blazing 40-yard dash put up by Central Florida wideout Breshad Perriman, a fringe first round prospect who may have successfully run into the top 32 selections by clocking in at roughly 4.25 seconds in the all-important drill.

 

Suffice it to say - he can jet.

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Man, I hope we take 2 proven football players in the 1st, and leave the workout warriors till later in the draft.

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Here's his 3 years at UCF:

2012: 14 games 26 rec 388 yds 14.9 avg 3 TD

2013: 12 games 39 rec 811 yds 20.8 avg 4 TD

2014: 13 games 50 rec 1,044 yds 20.9 avg 9 TD

 

They say he's raw but upside was beginning to unfold. I look at 6'3" 215 lbs + 4.25 forty; and my football wood factor goes from balsa to sequoia.

 

This dynamic on the perimeter can really prevent our running game from heading into a crowded phone booth. This was a different era but a lot of people lost sight of what Paul Warfield's speed meant to opponents loading the box against Csonka, Kick and Morris. Paul Warfield may not have had killer good receiving stats in 1972 while a backup (and allegedly washed up) QB started all but 5 games. But the fear gear kept numbers preferable for the running game. We have the line and the backs but we await the speed on our perimeter to complete our gridiron chess table.

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I still think Shelton and Peat will go #12 and #19 respectively. But another scenario would be Kevin White and Shelton in the first round.

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Man, I hope we take 2 proven football players in the 1st, and leave the workout warriors till later in the draft.

 

Understood. BUT, what if an underclassman is just starting to play some really good football on top of acing the fitness test while sporting the ideal height/weight for his position? In this case, the kid's father played WR for the Detroit Lions back in the day so there's an inherited trait here. There's some good football on film with this guy especially if you've read/heard Mike Mayock, Greg Cosell and others that have watched enough of him to share their opinions.

 

This isn't a lot different than the Clay Matthews choice Green Bay felt compelled to make not too long ago. He never quite put together the type of season in college he was capable of at the NFL level. NFL football was in the bloodlines dating all the way back to his grandfather (Clay Sr). Green Bay's FO realized they weren't drafting rear view mirror - they were drafting best football projected ahead. There was some exciting football on tape from Clay to make certain someone was going to bet on his pedigree.

 

This is where we hope our front office does it's due diligence dotting the i's and crossing the t's in their research.

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Understood. BUT, what if an underclassman is just starting to play some really good football on top of acing the fitness test while sporting the ideal height/weight for his position? In this case, the kid's father played WR for the Detroit Lions back in the day so there's an inherited trait here. There's some good football on film with this guy especially if you've read/heard Mike Mayock, Greg Cosell and others that have watched enough of him to share their opinions.

 

This isn't a lot different than the Clay Matthews choice Green Bay felt compelled to make not too long ago. He never quite put together the type of season in college he was capable of at the NFL level. NFL football was in the bloodlines dating all the way back to his grandfather (Clay Sr). Green Bay's FO realized they weren't drafting rear view mirror - they were drafting best football projected ahead. There was some exciting football on tape from Clay to make certain someone was going to bet on his pedigree.

 

This is where we hope our front office does it's due diligence dotting the i's and crossing the t's in their research.

 

I'm just so very weary of "potential" taken in the 1st round < insert Mingo here > but yea, I just want them to hit on every player this year, especially in round 1.

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2nd rounder at best.

 

they'll be so many teams with their napkins tucked into their shirts feasting on the fat defensive stock in the first that you might only see 3 WRs go in the first.

 

That would be awesome Mik because I really want Shelton at #12 and I'm torn between a few guys at #19. I was hoping this kid would fly under the radar to make him available for round 2. Unfortunately, I'm seeing stuff like this out there:

 

Central Florida receiver Breshad Perriman is bigger than his father. And it turns out he's a lot faster too.Perriman, the son of former Lions receiver Brett Perriman, blew away the 40-yard dash at UCF's pro day earlier in the week. The 6-foot-2, 212-pounder was clocked unofficially anywhere from 4.22 to 4.27 seconds according to the school.He was clocked at 4.25 seconds by NFL Network's Mike Mayock. He was clocked at an inhuman 4.15 seconds by one NFL scout, according to Yahoo!.What does that mean? It means Perriman is one of the fastest NFL draft prospects ever.

Former East Carolina tailback Chris Johnson set the combine record in 2008 with a 40-yard dash time of 4.24 seconds. Former Western Kentucky receiver Rondel Menendez also ran a 4.24 in 1999, the first year of partial electronic timing. Pro day 40s are hand timed, which are far more inaccurate than the combine's electronic results. Still, there's no disputing Perriman's time was among the fastest of all time. And Detroit Lions scouts seemed impressed, to say the least. In this video provided by UCF, Detroit's direct of college scouting, Scott McEwen, and assistant director Lance Newmark (in white) are seen reacting to Perriman's 40.

Perriman, who caught 50 passes for 1,044 yards as a junior last year, is rocketing up draft boards. Once considered a mid-round pick, he's now firmly a first-rounder according to ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. Kiper said on a conference call Thursday that Perriman could go anywhere from 18th to 32nd. Detroit is on the board at 23, though it would be a surprise if it took Perriman.The Lions say they don't draft according to need, so anything is possible, but a defensive tackle or offensive lineman are much better bets at that spot.But they do have a need for a third receiver behind Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate, and it wouldn't be a stretch for them to add another Perriman -- if he's even around.

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I'm just so very weary of "potential" taken in the 1st round < insert Mingo here > but yea, I just want them to hit on every player this year, especially in round 1.

 

Understand your concern and respect it. That said, Perriman scored 9 TDs and averaged over 20 yards a catch so there's some carry over to the field with this guy. With Mingo, it felt more like hoping things could carry over to the field.

 

I don't even know if our WR Corps as a unit tallied 9 TD receptions in 16 games. This guy accomplished that with a year of eligibility remaining before deciding to enter the upcoming draft. This feels like the perfect time to draft a kid like this. I just didn't want it to be in round 1...

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If you want another Greg Little on this football team, go ahead and draft Perriman. This guy does good things WHEN he catches the football but he's got the drops and runs terrible routes. Watch the tape, it doesn't lie.

 

3rd round or later sure but the thought of taking him in the 1st round makes me madder than Manziel. I couldn't be more against the dude that early.

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Perriman has the one issue you don't want as a WR - THE DROPS

2nd issue.. First 5 yard contact with defender. Can't run 4.25 laying on your ass..

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Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benjamin and Possible M. Austin and 4 more on roster now. When you can add a talent of the likes of WR Justin Hardy as your 6th pick of the Draft (#115) Not a top need IMO..

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If you want another Greg Little on this football team, go ahead and draft Perriman. This guy does good things WHEN he catches the football but he's got the drops and runs terrible routes. Watch the tape, it doesn't lie.

 

3rd round or later sure but the thought of taking him in the 1st round makes me madder than Manziel. I couldn't be more against the dude that early.

 

Again, this is my very first line of this entire thread: So much for me thinking we can snag Perriman in round 2. I never said I wanted him at 12 or 19. Not-a-once. I was just disappointed he won't be on our door in round 2.

 

Anyway, here's what NFL Draft Analyst Mike Mayock had to say about him:

 

The hype behind former UCF wide receiver Breshad Perriman is growing.

It started with Mel Kiper, Jr. projecting Perriman No. 15 overall in his latest mock draft. It continued Monday when NFL Network lead draft analyst Mike Mayock discussed the potential for the 6-foot-3, 215-pound wide receiver.

"I put the Perriman tape on about three weeks ago and I almost fell over," Mayock said in his pre-NFL Scouting Combine conference call Monday. "I had a bunch of people tell me he didn't have good hands, and boy, do I disagree with that, even though he's got more drops than he should. There's kind of a way to interpret that. A wide receiver who has too many drops should have bad hands, right?

"Well, I looked at his hands and say he makes acrobatic catches, he makes high-point catches, he makes contested catches, however, once in a while he drops an easy ball, but I think he's a natural hands catcher."

 

Could Greg Little separate? No. Could Little catch the ball in traffic? No. Could Little ever jump up and catch the ball between defenders? Seldom.

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Again, this is my very first line of this entire thread: So much for me thinking we can snag Perriman in round 2. I never said I wanted him at 12 or 19. Not-a-once. I was just disappointed he won't be on our door in round 2.

 

Anyway, here's what NFL Draft Analyst Mike Mayock had to say about him:

 

The hype behind former UCF wide receiver Breshad Perriman is growing.

It started with Mel Kiper, Jr. projecting Perriman No. 15 overall in his latest mock draft. It continued Monday when NFL Network lead draft analyst Mike Mayock discussed the potential for the 6-foot-3, 215-pound wide receiver.

"I put the Perriman tape on about three weeks ago and I almost fell over," Mayock said in his pre-NFL Scouting Combine conference call Monday. "I had a bunch of people tell me he didn't have good hands, and boy, do I disagree with that, even though he's got more drops than he should. There's kind of a way to interpret that. A wide receiver who has too many drops should have bad hands, right?

"Well, I looked at his hands and say he makes acrobatic catches, he makes high-point catches, he makes contested catches, however, once in a while he drops an easy ball, but I think he's a natural hands catcher."

 

Could Greg Little separate? No. Could Little catch the ball in traffic? No. Could Little ever jump up and catch the ball between defenders? Seldom.

 

I hear ya, I'm not saying you did but just speaking in general. I'm just commenting on the fact like this notes that some people see him as high as a mid first round pick which is incredible.

 

Actually, Greg Little was good at making tough plays and catches, it was the ones he should have caught he dropped all the time. this guy reminds me so much of him it's scary. There's 9 WR's in this class I'd take ahead of him in a heartbeat, I just hope we dodge him completely.

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Actually, Greg Little was good at making tough plays and catches, it was the ones he should have caught he dropped all the time.

That's how I remember Little as well...

 

 

As for Perriman... Just can't get all that excited over a hand timed 40. There's a reason scouts clocked the same run anywhere from 4.19 to 4.27. Even the high end is probably up to a tenth too low. Plus I've yet to see his shuttle and 3-cone times

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That's just painful, Mud. Why do I remember this pic. No man with Hands that big should ever see the ball there. Cinny cut him yet??

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That's how I remember Little as well...

 

 

As for Perriman... Just can't get all that excited over a hand timed 40. There's a reason scouts clocked the same run anywhere from 4.19 to 4.27. Even the high end is probably up to a tenth too low. Plus I've yet to see his shuttle and 3-cone times

 

In other words, the absolute worst case scenario is a JUNIOR that's 6-3 & 215 lbs only runs a 4.37 with 9 TD receptions and 20.8 yds per catch on his resume. Meatball on spaghetti, how the Hell do the Buster Skrines of this league PRESS a guy with that build with any luck whatsoever? They better bring their Rosaries or pretend they're good little Christians that left their bling at home. It SURE would have been nice to see him around when our 2nd round pick comes up but that's not happening now. Someone in the bottom quarter of round 1 will add him to their playoff roster. Looking at the highlights Woody was kind enough to share for us - Perriman outruns a lot of corners that thought they had ideal pursuit angles on him. It's also good to see him catching all those underthrows after he's gotten behind the secondary. I'm sure he'd welcome a QB that throws guys open like a Tom Brady. FWIW, when Julio Jones played his final season at Bama - he still had a lot of critics holding him hostage to too many dropped passes (which were more pertinent to his first seasons than his final season). Is this possibly a similar scenario with Perriman? It sure seems like the people that have the MOST access to film and get paid for their analysis (ie: Cosell, Mayock, McShay and Kiper) have been impressed enough to mention him with round 1 consideration even before his 40 time. That's not to say they can't be wrong or fooled by the Trent Richardsons of the more allegedly "proven" prospects out there. They continue to learn like we do - you don't draft rear view mirror. You draft upside unfolding, which seems to be pertinent with Perriman IMO. There's a multiplicity of positives that I find compelling from the body frame to the TD volume to the avg yards per catch to the speed that dictates easier matchups for teammates to the steady improvement each year.

 

Meeting us where we're at today. We have a STRONG running game especially with Mack at Center where our biggest opponent moving forward could remain predictability/exclusive to the running game inside the red zone. We added some very respectable possession WRs that have put up their BEST stats in the past when the other side of formation had a fear gear to ease their matchups. A former Mizzou starter/avid Chiefs fan today that works with me had this to say about Bowe. This guy can STILL play especially if you put SPEED on the other side of formation to purge out congestion underneathe. He's GREAT in traffic. He also told me a lot of times Alex Smith is reluctant to throw to guys that have ideal body positioning for doable completions on routes they're reasonably well covered due in large to his early career snake bite with INTs. He felt that and no perimeter speed impacted Bowe's numbers the most. Meanwhile, whether Mike Wallace was a bad choice or a horrible choice in Miami - Brian Hartline became a beneficiary of the threat of Wallace's foot speed over the top with 76 rec 1016 yards and 4 TDs in 2013. Both are solid FA pickups that can be TERRIFIC choices if we exercise our option to add an X-factor outside. There should be one game changing WR on our doorstep in our 2nd or 3rd pick (AFTER we take Shelton at #12). Why make this impossible in a draft volume of 10?

 

There's 2 dynamics that speed and size on the perimeter can help. It can make our red zone RUNNING GAME even more difficult to matchup while our opponent has to play pick your poison instead of showing up well prepared for only dimension. If pre-snap looks like they're loading up to stop the run, unlike the Seattle Seahawks you throw a fade to your tall target rather than slanting him into where all the traffic welcomes the slant. Our # of TD receptions in 2014 isn't lying to us and I'll be the first to admit Hoyer had some underthrows on WRs that had beats secondaries by at least an area code. In 2007, our QB situation was Charlie Frye, an allegedly "pro ready" Brady Quinn, and Derek Anderson. Week 1 was a trainwreck via Frye. But week 2 showed us we were about to embark on 29 TD passes from a QB ultimately destined to be a career backup. Our running game and size on the perimeter had synergistic effect on our running game and passing game. Keep in mind, we got 1300 rush yards out of Lewis while Braylon Edwards gave us 16 TD receptions in a season we won 10 games. I previously shared in another thread that Joe J and Edwards gave us a killer good volume of receptions that gave us 1st downs. I think our 2015 QB situation is pretty close to our 2007 situation where making this an easier offense to QB is a worthwhile effort while the supply of football messiahs at QB coming out seems pretty disappointing in 2015. It would be nice to set our gridiron chess table with a red zone perimeter that defenses have to take a lot more serious than our 2014 Smurf Tech. In the second half of the season, red zone defenses began to load up vrs the run while our passing game posed ZERO threat of scoring. Bowe/Hartline are a step in the right direction; BUT if we add a go to guy Bowe/Hartline can have a Joe Jurevicius effect that made Braylon a good beneficiary in 2007. Clearly, this doesn't have to be just be Perriman. That was originally a round 2 steal hope that is dead, buried and moot today. Kevin White was my favorite WR; but he's probably off the board by our #19 slot.

 

Sorry for the length; but my original post was short. Having said that, there was quite a bit of concern to address so I thought I'd do my best to bring a bigger picture overall as to why I once found him intriguing to our situation in round 2. I've never wavered from Shelton at #12; but I gotta admit I'm having trouble with #19 and our second round pick. It's like going grocery shopping when you're hungry. Everything looks all kinds of gotta havesies. I'm feeling like we need to go WR or TE Maxx Williams at #19; but I'd certainly understand if we went outside pass rusher/OLBer. If Parker and White are already gone - I'm wondering just how much of a drop off Perriman is from either. I don't want the Josh Gordon Part II kid from Mizzou; but I'd be open Jaelen Strong in round 2 if we went outside pass rusher at #19 and he can last that long. Bowie has started at 3 different oline positions for a SB Champion in 9 fillin starts so my guess is we can use some of our remaining 7 picks after round 2 on oline and front 7 without feeling like 1 WR choice ruins any such opportunities. We're in a great situation even if the poster boy for shoot breath and taking groinal inventory (Roger Goodfella) dresses up in his 14 karat knee pads for Rooney to erase a late round pick.

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Based on the WR's we already have, speed isnt my main concern.....simply put, I want a great big strong long receiver who's gonna out muscle the DB's for position....go up and after the ball.....and fucking make it his. ...own it.....and I see 2 or 3 guys that fit the bill

 

White....Green-Beckham....Parker...after these 3, Im kind of "eh" on the rest.......

 

 

also, as a general rule, I tend to avoid late risers and combine sweethearts that suddenly skyrocket because of a workout...

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Based on the WR's we already have, speed isnt my main concern.....simply put, I want a great big strong long receiver who's gonna out muscle the DB's for position....go up and after the ball.....and fucking make it his. ...own it.....and I see 2 or 3 guys that fit the bill

 

White....Green-Beckham....Parker...after these 3, Im kind of "eh" on the rest.......

 

 

also, as a general rule, I tend to avoid late risers and combine sweethearts that suddenly skyrocket because of a workout...

 

While I completely agree with you about late risers, I don't put Perriman there after he put up really good numbers for just his 3rd year in the program. He was already being mentioned as a first round prospect the day I first posted about him in the Kevin White thread back before the combines by NFL Draft Analysts. More specially, that was well before anyone knew what kind of 40 time he'd post. I had nothing to do with all that, I was just being the mail man and giving yuz all my Cliff Clavin interpretation on it. How much is he really climbing? I think we're talking a few draft slots rather than leapfrogging rounds.

 

This true junior is being compared with a lot of seniors. But here's an apples to apples of his stats up against top rated WRs in his draft class when they were true juniors beginning with Breshad first:

Perriman 2014: 10 starts 50 rec 1044 yds 20.9 ypc 9 TD

White 2013: 9 starts 35 rec 507 yds 14.5 ypc 5 TD

Parker 2013: 12 starts 55 rec 885 yds 16.1 ypc 12 TD

Cooper 2014: 14 starts 124 rec 1727 yds 13.9 ypc 16 TD (this is the only guy that kicks his ass numbers wise)

In a world where they draft what's projected ahead - I like this kid's chances as well as any of the WRs.

 

We have possession receivers and slot receivers; but we're still awaiting the dynamic of a fear gear over the top that can open the underneath. This guy has 20.9 yards per catch saying he's up to it in my opinion.

 

The guy I'm worried about us going late riser on for round 1 is Bryce Petty. The late riser sting usually seems most abundant with QBs like: Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, JP's Lostman, Brandon Weeden, Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, EJ Manuel, Akili Smith.Jake Locker, David Carr,. Disappointing supplies for a BIG demand doesn't change a tiger's stripes; but some teams continue to think they're gonna change em anyway...

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While I completely agree with you about late risers, I don't put Perriman there after he put up really good numbers for just his 3rd year in the program. He was already being mentioned as a first round prospect the day I first posted about him in the Kevin White thread back before the combines by NFL Draft Analysts. More specially, that was well before anyone knew what kind of 40 time he'd post. I had nothing to do with all that, I was just being the mail man and giving yuz all my Cliff Clavin interpretation on it. How much is he really climbing? I think we're talking a few draft slots rather than leapfrogging rounds.

 

This true junior is being compared with a lot of seniors. But here's an apples to apples of his stats up against top rated WRs in his draft class when they were true juniors beginning with Breshad first:

Perriman 2014: 10 starts 50 rec 1044 yds 20.9 ypc 9 TD

White 2013: 9 starts 35 rec 507 yds 14.5 ypc 5 TD

Parker 2013: 12 starts 55 rec 885 yds 16.1 ypc 12 TD

Cooper 2014: 14 starts 124 rec 1727 yds 13.9 ypc 16 TD (this is the only guy that kicks his ass numbers wise)

In a world where they draft what's projected ahead - I like this kid's chances as well as any of the WRs.

 

We have possession receivers and slot receivers; but we're still awaiting the dynamic of a fear gear over the top that can open the underneath. This guy has 20.9 yards per catch saying he's up to it in my opinion.

 

The guy I'm worried about us going late riser on for round 1 is Bryce Petty. The late riser sting usually seems most abundant with QBs like: Jamarcus Russell, Kyle Boller, JP's Lostman, Brandon Weeden, Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, EJ Manuel, Akili Smith.Jake Locker, David Carr,. Disappointing supplies for a BIG demand doesn't change a tiger's stripes; but some teams continue to think they're gonna change em anyway...

Gotta say I dont hate Perriman and there are certainly scenarios where Id pick him......but they come much later than the first....

 

And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....

 

My main beef with him(and many of the other "good" receivers in this draft) is that he doesn't meet the style of receiver I believe this team needs.....which is big, physical and aggressive......thats all....

 

But I do like a deep threat, so if he was gonna be there in the 3rd, Id pick him in a second(Devon Smith too).....but wouldn't take either inside our first 3 picks...........

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In other words, the absolute worst case scenario is a JUNIOR that's 6-3 & 215 lbs only runs a 4.37 with 9 TD receptions and 20.8 yds per catch on his resume.

Typing is a hobby with you isn't it?

 

You love Perriman... he's your guy. Great. All I meant was straight ahead speed in a WR is not everything... even if it comes with size.

 

And, yes, Ive seen him mocked by a few in the late first round. So, maybe he's not rising from nowhere, but he is still rising fast based solely on a 40 yard dash time....

To put it mildly... He'd plateaued at an FRX of around 47 but has risen to 39.3 since his pro day.

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