Michigan Sucks

[MLD Woody]

They still have the Bucks to play which would make it 6 games.

 

After living through the Cooper years, NO Buckeye should be arrogant enough to expect a win in The Game. Especially after last years wake up call.

 

Or the year before that.

 

But never doubt a buckeye's arrogance.

 

 

Also, urban needs style points. We could be completely fucked.

[MLD Woody]

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I just hope I'm still here posting when OSU hits their next down cycle...

[upper lip]

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I just hope I'm still here posting when OSU hits their next down cycle...

Ohio state doesn't get down cycles... Certainly not like michigan has gone through the last 5 years. Michigan is utter trash and an embarrassment to an already embarrassing conference

[The Gipper]

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I just hope I'm still here posting when OSU hits their next down cycle...

The last time Ohio St. had 2 losing (or even .500) seasons in a row was 1924-1926. For Michigan that would be 2008-2009.

 

You might have to wait until you are my age for that.

 

Even Cooper would have good records....its just that he would lose to Mich. and lose his bowl game.

[The Gipper]

Ohio state doesn't get down cycles... Certainly not like michigan has gone through the last 5 years. Michigan is utter trash and an embarrassment to an already embarrassing conference

Where do you come up with this "embarassing conference" BS? I mean, one SEC team beats another 51-0. One SEC teams that was once rated as high as number 3 gets waxed 30-0? And look at the SEC scheduling this last week.....5 like FCS cupcake schools? Embarassing. At least Michigan plays a real schedule.

And fyi....the SEC is scheduled to play 4 ACC schools this week......and could easily lose all 4 of those games. Would that be embarassing for the so called best conference in the country? Michigan is bad, but that is not an embarassment.

[MLD Woody]

The last time Ohio St. had 2 losing (or even .500) seasons in a row was 1924-1926. For Michigan that would be 2008-2009.

 

You might have to wait until you are my age for that.

 

Even Cooper would have good records....its just that he would lose to Mich. and lose his bowl game.

 

 

No, Michigan's downturn right now has been terrible. Strike out on two coaches in a row, and bad shit happens. All the idiots on here that act like Michigan will forever be down, isn't still a top program, etc etc are, like I said, idiots.

 

All it would take on OSUs part is a wiff on a coach after Urban (inevitably) leaves relatively soon. I don't expect them to have a stretch like we're having, but they could easily have a few average teams for a bit.

 

Or the NCAA reviews everything from the last 10 years or so. But that's never gonna happen haha

[upper lip]

No, Michigan's downturn right now has been terrible. Strike out on two coaches in a row, and bad shit happens. All the idiots on here that act like Michigan will forever be down, isn't still a top program, etc etc are, like I said, idiots.

 

All it would take on OSUs part is a wiff on a coach after Urban (inevitably) leaves relatively soon. I don't expect them to have a stretch like we're having, but they could easily have a few average teams for a bit.

 

Or the NCAA reviews everything from the last 10 years or so. But that's never gonna happen haha

Why do you think it's inevitable urban leaves soon? Not disagreeing with you I'm just wondering why you think this, cause I've heard other people say this too

[Browns149]

 

 

No, Michigan's downturn right now has been terrible. Strike out on two coaches in a row, and bad shit happens. All the idiots on here that act like Michigan will forever be down, isn't still a top program, etc etc are, like I said, idiots.

 

All it would take on OSUs part is a wiff on a coach after Urban (inevitably) leaves relatively soon. I don't expect them to have a stretch like we're having, but they could easily have a few average teams for a bit.

 

Or the NCAA reviews everything from the last 10 years or so. But that's never gonna happen haha

Ohio State can have ANY coach they want. They have more money then ANY school in this country.

 

More then Alabama, Oregon, Auburn, FSU, Miami, Texas ,And certainly more then wishagin.

 

If and when Urban leaves, OSU will just go out and pay the best coach the most money.

 

Plus when Urban does leave, all his recruits will still be there. The next coach will still have the most talent in the country

[MLD Woody]

Why do you think it's inevitable urban leaves soon? Not disagreeing with you I'm just wondering why you think this, cause I've heard other people say this too

 

Because of his track record and potential health issues.

[Axe]

Ohio State can have ANY coach they want. They have more money then ANY school in this country.

 

More then Alabama, Oregon, Auburn, FSU, Miami, Texas ,And certainly more then wishagin.

 

If and when Urban leaves, OSU will just go out and pay the best coach the most money.

 

Plus when Urban does leave, all his recruits will still be there. The next coach will still have the most talent in the country

 

Step away from the crack pipe bro..

[upper lip]

Because of his track record and potential health issues.

You say his track record.. But ohio state is supposedly his dream job.when he coached other teams he still had his basement in his home decked out in ohio state decor and memorabilia. Maybe he does retire early,.. Idk. I just don't understand why people suggest it's inevitable

[MLD Woody]

Ohio State can have ANY coach they want. They have more money then ANY school in this country.

 

More then Alabama, Oregon, Auburn, FSU, Miami, Texas ,And certainly more then wishagin.

 

If and when Urban leaves, OSU will just go out and pay the best coach the most money.

 

Plus when Urban does leave, all his recruits will still be there. The next coach will still have the most talent in the country

 

 

... umm....

 

Show me a link where OSU has the most money in the country?

 

Here is Michigan 4th in total revenue, OSU 5th http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

Here's a list of the Most Profitable College Football Programs, Michigan #2 Texas #1 http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/09/29/most-profitable-college-football-programs-1-texas/

Here's a list of school's football revenues in last years top 25 ratings, Michigan #2 Texas #1 http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/08/31/the-economics-of-college-football-a-look-at-the-top-25-teams-revenues-and-expenses/

 

Assuredly saying OSU has "more money than ANY school in the country" is foolish. Texas is pretty widely believed to have the most money. Then it is generally the same tradition rich schools after that. Money can't get any coach you want. Sure, OSU's SEC like ethics may attract coaches from down south, but some just dont want to move.

 

Hell, Stephen Ross donated $500 million to the school last year, $250 million of which has to go to athletics. How exactly does OSU have the most money again? How do they have more money than Texas, which has its own freakin network?

 

 

On the talent thing. Yes, OSU is talent rich. But, again, saying they have "the most talent in the country" is foolish and biased. What is this based off of? Surely not recruiting rankings, because if you looked at all of them this couldn't be your conclusion. I'm guessing its just your own bias.

[MLD Woody]

You say his track record.. But ohio state is supposedly his dream job.when he coached other teams he still had his basement in his home decked out in ohio state decor and memorabilia. Maybe he does retire early,.. Idk. I just don't understand why people suggest it's inevitable

 

Well, people feel like he kind of left UF out to dry. Partly Tebow leaving, maybe he sensed impending sanctions, idk. This act though made people weary about him staying anywhere long term.

 

Even if this is ignored, his past health issues are a potential worry. You never know what could happen there.

 

 

 

... and those coeds man....

[DieHardBrownsFan]

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I just hope I'm still here posting when OSU hits their next down cycle...

By that time you will be a Grandpa.

[tiamat63]

Or the year before that.

 

But never doubt a buckeye's arrogance.

 

 

Also, urban needs style points. We could be completely fucked.

 

To date during this past 12 years of dominance, I've yet to see any Buckeye alumni or fans hold up a sign that says "pardon our arrogance".

Unlike the one I saw as a child... being held by a scUM fan.

 

 

Fuck *ichigan.

[Browns149]

 

Step away from the crack pipe bro..

what part of my post is incorrect?

[MLD Woody]

To date during this past 12 years of dominance, I've yet to see any Buckeye alumni or fans hold up a sign that says "pardon our arrogance".

Unlike the one I saw as a child... being held by a scUM fan.

 

 

Fuck *ichigan.

 

Right, because "Michigan Arrogance" is a thing other schools told us and we rolled with. It's the Michigan Difference. Harvard is the Michigan of the East. Etc etc. It comes from the prestige of the school and is honestly ca

 

Recently though, OSU fans, especially younger fans, have become extremely arrogant. From bearing their head in the sand during the Tressel era to proclaiming Meyer as god before he even showed up. I get it,winning breeds that, but stay humble. Jesus. This is why I want to see OSU hit a downturn. Half the fan base couldn't cope. We easily could have won last year, but still all you hear is how bad Mivhigan is.

 

Look at 149s last post for crying out loud. None of that is based in reality. It looks like a,Gipper post.

 

Of course you have the right to boast, OSU has been kicking ass. But lets stay based in reality here and not act like there isn't a,level of football arrogance.

 

 

Also, I'm going to The Game with buddies that go to OSU. I'll get to see first hand how classy OSU fans are...

[MLD Woody]

what part of my post is incorrect?

The parts I pointed out. So... All of it.

[The Gipper]

 

 

... umm....

 

Show me a link where OSU has the most money in the country?

 

Here is Michigan 4th in total revenue, OSU 5th http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

Here's a list of the Most Profitable College Football Programs, Michigan #2 Texas #1 http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/09/29/most-profitable-college-football-programs-1-texas/

Here's a list of school's football revenues in last years top 25 ratings, Michigan #2 Texas #1 http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2013/08/31/the-economics-of-college-football-a-look-at-the-top-25-teams-revenues-and-expenses/

 

Assuredly saying OSU has "more money than ANY school in the country" is foolish. Texas is pretty widely believed to have the most money. Then it is generally the same tradition rich schools after that. Money can't get any coach you want. Sure, OSU's SEC like ethics may attract coaches from down south, but some just dont want to move.

 

I think you are essentially right. Texas has long been known to have the biggest athletic budget. Why are you freaking out over such silliness?

As for ethics, Michigan has equalled or surpassed OSU in ethical violations. You are just too blinded by ignorance to see that truth

 

Hell, Stephen Ross donated $500 million to the school last year, $250 million of which has to go to athletics. How exactly does OSU have the most money again? How do they have more money than Texas, which has its own freakin network?

 

 

On the talent thing. Yes, OSU is talent rich. But, again, saying they have "the most talent in the country" is foolish and biased. What is this based off of? Surely not recruiting rankings, because if you looked at all of them this couldn't be your conclusion. I'm guessing its just your own bias.

They are among the Top 5 in recruiting base. Nationally, Michigan is no longer considered up there. They have been surpassed in the same state by MSU in terms of attractiveness to football recruits.

[MLD Woody]

Uugghhh... We've literally had this exact same conversation before Gipper, probably even in this thread. One thing Michigan did very well under Hoke was recruit. Look at any recruiting site. Before the fallout of this season, we had the highest average recruit rating out of anyone. Bama was two. We've pulled plenty of elite talent. We've gone down this road before. Pay attention, Jesus Christ.

 

We get it, your old man anecdotal evidence and intuition tells you differently. But reality and facts speak a different story. Just like every other "debate" we've had on here.

 

That post wasn't to talk about Michigan's recruiting. It was to state that "OSU has the most talent in the country" is incorrect. They're up there, sure. But nothing says they're clearly above the rest.

 

Which is what the other part of that was about, just revenue wise. OSU clearly doesn't have the most money. Only team you could make that argument for is Texas. I then used Michigan as an example for being higher than OSU on those lists, to prove the point they didn't have the most money. I'm not freaking out over anything, I'm proving two very cleary incorrect statements as bring incorrect.

 

 

 

How have we surpassed OSU in ethical violations? (inb4 Fab Five call up). I'm speaking recently, about football, and something within the program. Actually, don't answer this. It will turn into another back and forth where I just get BS from you. When someone thinks the Tressel scandal was just about selling memorabilia, then its already a wasted argument.

[tiamat63]

Right, because "Michigan Arrogance" is a thing other schools told us and we rolled with. It's the Michigan Difference. Harvard is the Michigan of the East. Etc etc. It comes from the prestige of the school and is honestly ca

 

Recently though, OSU fans, especially younger fans, have become extremely arrogant. From bearing their head in the sand during the Tressel era to proclaiming Meyer as god before he even showed up. I get it,winning breeds that, but stay humble. Jesus. This is why I want to see OSU hit a downturn. Half the fan base couldn't cope. We easily could have won last year, but still all you hear is how bad Mivhigan is.

 

Look at 149s last post for crying out loud. None of that is based in reality. It looks like a,Gipper post.

 

Of course you have the right to boast, OSU has been kicking ass. But lets stay based in reality here and not act like there isn't a,level of football arrogance.

 

 

Also, I'm going to The Game with buddies that go to OSU. I'll get to see first hand how classy OSU fans are...

 

For the most part pretty civil towards scUM fans last time I was on campus for The Game. Good natured hazing is to be expected. Beyond that, nothing like what you'd experience at State Penn.

[The Gipper]

Uugghhh... We've literally had this exact same conversation before Gipper, probably even in this thread. One thing Michigan did very well under Hoke was recruit. Look at any recruiting site. Before the fallout of this season, we had the highest average recruit rating out of anyone. Bama was two. We've pulled plenty of elite talent. We've gone down this road before. Pay attention, Jesus Christ.

Just because you say he did a great job of recruiting doesn't mean he really did a great job of recruiting.

 

We get it, your old man anecdotal evidence and intuition tells you differently. But reality and facts speak a different story. Just like every other "debate" we've had on here.

Right....reality and fact speak a different story.....the reality is that he has been losing with the players he is recruiting.....just like RichRod was a loser with the players he had been recruiting. They both did not do a good enough job of recruiting. It is obvious from the results that that team is simply NOT as talented nearly as certainly OSU, nor MSU have.

 

That post wasn't to talk about Michigan's recruiting. It was to state that "OSU has the most talent in the country" is incorrect. They're up there, sure. But nothing says they're clearly above the rest.

And I agreed with you.

 

Which is what the other part of that was about, just revenue wise. OSU clearly doesn't have the most money. Only team you could make that argument for is Texas. I then used Michigan as an example for being higher than OSU on those lists, to prove the point they didn't have the most money. I'm not freaking out over anything, I'm proving two very cleary incorrect statements as bring incorrect.

I am not the one that said they have the most money.......but you are definitely freaking out that some Ohio State fan may have gotten some factoid wrong.

 

 

 

How have we surpassed OSU in ethical violations? (inb4 Fab Five call up). I'm speaking recently, about football, and something within the program. Actually, don't answer this. It will turn into another back and forth where I just get BS from you. When someone thinks the Tressel scandal was just about selling memorabilia, then its already a wasted argument.

The Tressel scandal wasn't mainly about selling memorabilia....it was about the fact that he did not snitch on his players who sold that memorabilia. No one denies that.

But, that is indeed minor compared to the corruption that has gone on in Michigan. But you don't want to address it because you can't handle the truth. And fine, we will just leave it there. It is mostly in the past.

It is your team's present and future that should be giving you ulcers, not the past.

[Browns149]

Looks like the recruits are jumping ship.

 

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/11/mike_weber_announces_decommitm.html

[MLD Woody]

For the most part pretty civil towards scUM fans last time I was on campus for The Game. Good natured hazing is to be expected. Beyond that, nothing like what you'd experience at State Penn.

 

Happy to hear that. I'll be with a group of OSU students, so hopefully its not a huge deal.

[MLD Woody]

Looks like the recruits are jumping ship.

 

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/11/mike_weber_announces_decommitm.html

Yep, that happened a few days ago. It's expected at this point. It is more directly related to the uncertainty in the coaching situation than the teams record. I can't blame them. Some kids commit to a school/program, others coaches. If that coach isn't going to be there, they shouldn't limit themselves.

 

As I mentioned earlier, its a small silver lining we only had room for a small class anyway, so there wont be a ton of spots to fill. If we pull somone like Harbaugh, we can expect to fill a lot of these back up with high level guys.

[MLD Woody]

Oh yes, he didn't "snitch"... That's right... Hahaha. I forgot that's how you worded it. Yes, yes, there are mountains of corruption at Michigan, and Tressel was just protecting his kids. Got it.

 

I know you didn't say they had the most money. I wasn't responding to you, though you then replied to me. And again, I'm not freaking out about anything. Also, when every claim in a post is incorrect, its hard to go back and call them little "factoids".

 

 

 

Ugh. How many times.... It's not ME saying he is (was) along a great job of recruiting, its every major recruiting outlet that ranks these players. This isn't hard to see if you knew at all what you were talking about. But again, you go off of what you think you know and don't bother figuring out whether that's true or not.

 

Developing players and recruiting players are two different stories. We've brought in very good classes, but the development (mostly on Offense) has not been there. Get it? Understand the difference? That's one thing MSU does very well. They have classes full of 3 stars that get developed. Do you understand now?

[The Gipper]

Oh yes, he didn't "snitch"... That's right... Hahaha. I forgot that's how you worded it. Yes, yes, there are mountains of corruption at Michigan, and Tressel was just protecting his kids. Got it.

Well, that is the street term. He didn't disclose that they had sold or traded their own trinkets.. A terrible crime.

I mean, its not like they covered up rape allegations or something unimportant like that.

http://www.chatsports.com/michigan-wolverines/a/Michigan-football-covered-up-rape-allegations-and-threats-of-violence-then-lied-about-it-people-need-to-be-fired-immediately-10-2-4830

 

I know you didn't say they had the most money. I wasn't responding to you, though you then replied to me.

Yes, I replied to say you were right. I am still looking for your thanks for that.

 

And again, I'm not freaking out about anything. Also, when every claim in a post is incorrect, its hard to go back and call them little "factoids".

Well, you have a humbug up your ass whether or not Ohio St. is #1, 2 or 3 in having the most money. With that many millions of dollars being thrown around does it really matter? yes, it is a simple factoid.

 

 

 

Ugh. How many times.... It's not ME saying he is (was) along a great job of recruiting, its every major recruiting outlet that ranks these players. This isn't hard to see if you knew at all what you were talking about. But again, you go off of what you think you know and don't bother figuring out whether that's true or not.

 

Developing players and recruiting players are two different stories. We've brought in very good classes, but the development (mostly on Offense) has not been there. Get it? Understand the difference? That's one thing MSU does very well. They have classes full of 3 stars that get developed. Do you understand now?

Yea, I understand. Michigan sucks. We just can't be absolutely specific about why they suck. That, apparently, we can agree on.

[MLD Woody]

... Yes, you are incorrect about your statements on recruiting (among other things). I'll take your attempt to end the topic as a sign of defeat. Is it that hard to admit you're wrong when you clearly are?

 

 

 

...yes, Michigan covered up the rape of a freshman kicker that had never played, on a team that was so bad at kicking we had open tryouts on campus. Brilliant. Only later to kick him out of the school because changes in the rules lowered the burden of proof, meaning that even though he wasn't legally charged the school could still kick him out. A change that swept through a majority of D1 schools with sexual assault accusations, including... Gasp... Ohio State. If you honestly think the university systematically coveted up that rape you're Retarded. You are mentally challenged. I mean, sure, it would help explain a number of you obviously incorrect prior statements. Statements that have since been disproved multiple times. But I guess I can't put it past you to think that. Also Michigan will forever now average 6 wins, OSU will have more money than Texas, and Akron engineering will surpass Michigan engineering. Just pure genius when you type.

[Axe]

[Browns149]

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!