Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Thread prompted by a NFL Live segment with Bill Polian about can't miss vs. higher ceiling players. Specifically the question was: "When do you take a "can't miss" player over a guy who perhaps has more upside, but also some risk?" Bill's thought was: "Always. We always said, 'No big hits. No big misses.' If you've got a can't miss, take him and don't look back. Plug him in and he'll play a long time." Typical Polian minimalist wisdom that begs the question: Who in 2015 is "Can't miss"? Williams, Fowler, Cooper, Shelton, Gurley are all I've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I agree & what worries me is whether or not Shelton will be there for our pick. I want Shelton in the worst way because I feel (for what it's worth) that he would immediately & positively have a huge impact on both our run D AND our pass rush. With that kind of dominance at nose tackle, our DEs & LBs start looking as good as they can look. Given better health, our Dline & LBs would reap MAJOR dividends from his presence. I feel, & maybe I'm wrong, that he may be the only player worth a trade up this year for the Browns. I'm no expert & my choices often suck, but do you folks agree? Disagree? Why? If agree, how far up would you go to ensure we don't lose him? Just an ol' dummy asking questions! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 "Can't miss"..? No such thing, but these are the guys I would guess are the closest to that: Amari Cooper Leonard Williams Dante Fowler Kevin White Erick Flowers Danny Shelton Cameron Erving Melvin Gordon There are other players with more potential and upside, but I think these are the 8 guys who I have no concern predicting that they will be long-term quality starters for whoever takes them. They may not all be Pro Bowl locks, but they are all ready to step in day 1 and lock down their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I dont believe in cant miss players. heres an all time cant miss draft just posted on nfl.com. anybody else think this writer has a problem with the browns? everyone else gets hall of famers and we get ryan leaf? http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap3000000487725/article/alltime-2015-draft-steve-young-to-bucs-jim-brown-to-jags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Malcolm Brown is a can't miss. I think Collins is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 La'el Collins is definitely can't miss. He might be the safest pick in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 marpet as a C in round 3 is a can't miss. first round lock is shelton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 marpet as a C in round 3 is a can't miss. first round lock is shelton. Can't miss guys make it to the 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Can't miss guys make it to the 3rd? if he made it to the 3rd he's a can't miss..... HA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Amari Cooper is probably the closest in this draft. The chances of him not being a contributing WR, in my opinion, are VERY slim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I dont believe in cant miss players. heres an all time cant miss draft just posted on nfl.com. anybody else think this writer has a problem with the browns? everyone else gets hall of famers and we get ryan leaf? http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap3000000487725/article/alltime-2015-draft-steve-young-to-bucs-jim-brown-to-jags Fucking Ryan Leaf? Seriously? Whoever wrote that has to be thinking "hahaha, fucking browns wouldn't it be so funny if they're the only team to draft an enormous bust here?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Fucking Ryan Leaf? Seriously? Whoever wrote that has to be thinking "hahaha, fucking browns wouldn't it be so funny if they're the only team to draft an enormous bust here?!" Ok.....I get the joke...haha(not)... I guess being a 1/2 way funny dickhead gets you a gig at NFL.com..... Im just wondering why he didnt give us Jamarcus..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Amari Cooper: Marvin Harrison 2.0 Todd Gurley: Marshawwwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I count 12 listed so far....Is it even possible to have 12 cant miss players in the first round?.......history says no way..... Last years slam dunk "cant miss" players were Clowney, Robinson & Watkins.......hahaha.....that went well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I count 12 listed so far....Is it even possible to have 12 cant miss players in the first round?.......history says no way..... Last years slam dunk "cant miss" players were Clowney, Robinson & Watkins.......hahaha.....that went well..... I don't think Robinson was can't miss? I got the distinct impression he was a project at LT, and would need to start out a guard for a year or two to refine his technique. Clowney - everyone questioned his enthusiasm, and Leaf-itude. Can't miss prospects were Jake Matthews, Watkins, Khalil Mack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Williams and Cooper for sure. I can't put Gurley because of the injury history. Gordon has a fumbling problem that takes him off the list. Collins in the OL and Malcom Brown in the DL (I just can't put Shelton because he may eat himself out of a long career). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I don't think Robinson was can't miss? I got the distinct impression he was a project at LT, and would need to start out a guard for a year or two to refine his technique. Clowney - everyone questioned his enthusiasm, and Leaf-itude. Can't miss prospects were Jake Matthews, Watkins, Khalil Mack? Matthews, Watkins and Mack were what I was thinking of as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I dont believe in cant miss players. heres an all time cant miss draft just posted on nfl.com. anybody else think this writer has a problem with the browns? everyone else gets hall of famers and we get ryan leaf? http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap3000000487725/article/alltime-2015-draft-steve-young-to-bucs-jim-brown-to-jags I don't understand the point of this exercise. How about if we change it up a bit.....I will do so in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I don't understand the point of this exercise. How about if we change it up a bit.....I will do so in another thread. Would love to see a league-wide redraft, every team starts with nothing, reverse order picks like fantasy. Pick no. 1, Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 On the O-line names mentioned... I haven't seen any can't miss on tape, but gun to my head I'd go with Peat. Matthews, Watkins and Mack were what I was thinking of as well. My list as well, but there were others that got mention around here. Donald and Evans come to mind, and there was a certain post-draft influx that pronounced one of our picks to be one as I recall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I don't understand the point of this exercise. Probably due to low blood sugar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 there was a certain post-draft influx that ..... ....caused acid reflux.....(fixed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 On the O-line names mentioned... I haven't seen any can't miss on tape, but gun to my head I'd go with Peat. My list as well, but there were others that got mention around here. Donald and Evans come to mind, and there was a certain post-draft influx that pronounced one of our picks to be one as I recall... Evans had question marks. He had only lined up on the right at college - could it transfer to the NFL? Was he just a product of Manziel, or the other way around? Looks like we have the answer to that one, btw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Evans had question marks. He had only lined up on the right at college - could it transfer to the NFL? Was he just a product of Manziel, or the other way around? Looks like we have the answer to that one, btw! Every good QB develops a certain expectation from his key receivers. Given time that may happen for Manziel again. Evans was not the only guy he threw the ball to btw, just the most talented. And they did have that special relationship required to know both where to throw to and where to go on the field to find the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Every good QB develops a certain expectation from his key receivers. Given time that may happen for Manziel again. Evans was not the only guy he threw the ball to btw, just the most talented. And they did have that special relationship required to know both where to throw to and where to go on the field to find the ball. Where to throw the ball ? Up. Evans usually took care of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Yeah... throw it up high and in the field of play... EDIT: tia beat me to a post for a change... Evans had question marks. He had only lined up on the right at college - could it transfer to the NFL? I agree, but there were many around here that thought Evans was destined for greatness... and so far they've turned out to be more correct than we have. Anyway here's the 2014 edition... Can't believe I had Kony Ealy on the list. But offset that clunker with Anthony Barr. http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28388 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Probably due to low blood sugar... Mine, or his. Mine is high...must be his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Mine, or his. Mine is high...must be his. lol... and FYI, my wife (BS in Nutrition) says you tortilla wrap is the better choice... lower starch (but higher fat)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Yeah... throw it up high and in the field of play... EDIT: tia beat me to a post for a change... I agree, but there were many around here that thought Evans was destined for greatness... and so far they've turned out to be more correct than we have. Anyway here's the 2014 edition... Can't believe I had Kony Ealy on the list. But offset that clunker with Anthony Barr. http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28388 When presented with a choice to draft a player, between Manziel who made a habit of tossing up balls and Evans who routinely rewarded Johnny's (often poor throws) - I go with the latter for my roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 lol... and FYI, my wife (BS in Nutrition) says you tortilla wrap is the better choice... lower starch (but higher fat)... So, I understand that beans are good as well for lowering blood sugar. So, does that make Mexican food pretty good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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