LondonBrown Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I wasn't into NFL or the Browns around that time, how good was he in that first year and how good could he have been if he stayed healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 And what's the deal with the 2008 draft not having a pick until the 4th round? I know the 1st was traded for Brady Quinn but can't find any other info on rounds two and three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmusch Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 This guy was a phenomenal prospect. I'm not sure why his name doesn't get thrown around with the likes of Peppers, Williams, and Clowney, as he had triangle numbers very similar to them. His production was off the charts too with 33 sacks and 70 TFL in his college career. This also comes from the time when traditional running offenses dominated the college scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 This guy was a phenomenal prospect. I'm not sure why his name doesn't get thrown around with the likes of Peppers, Williams, and Clowney, as he had triangle numbers very similar to them. His production was off the charts too with 33 sacks and 70 TFL in his college career. This also comes from the time when traditional running offenses dominated the college scene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Brown_%28defensive_end%29 just to expand on that-this guy was a serious prospect at the time and had similar labels that Clowney had. He typically gets labeled in the bust category but as mentioned injuries just derailed his career. I don't think the Browns messed up in taking him at the time though unlike a lot of other picks that decade. http://cover32.com/browns/2014/03/20/courtney-brown-worst-de-pick-in-browns-history/ Quick good article about it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Per wikipedia: The Browns do not have a first, second, or third round selection due to trades made to other teams. The first-round selection was traded to the Dallas Cowboys in order to acquire quarterback Brady Quinn in the 2007 Draft, the second-round selection was traded to the Green Bay Packers for defensive tackle Corey Williams, and the third-round selection was traded to the Detroit Lions for defensive tackle Shaun Rogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 He was soft and didn't live up to his hype. Him and big money were big busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 This guy was a phenomenal prospect. I'm not sure why his name doesn't get thrown around with the likes of Peppers, Williams, and Clowney, as he had triangle numbers very similar to them. His production was off the charts too with 33 sacks and 70 TFL in his college career. This also comes from the time when traditional running offenses dominated the college scene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Brown_%28defensive_end%29 just to expand on that-this guy was a serious prospect at the time and had similar labels that Clowney had. He typically gets labeled in the bust category but as mentioned injuries just derailed his career. I don't think the Browns messed up in taking him at the time though unlike a lot of other picks that decade. http://cover32.com/browns/2014/03/20/courtney-brown-worst-de-pick-in-browns-history/ Quick good article about it too. Thanks guys Per wikipedia: The Browns do not have a first, second, or third round selection due to trades made to other teams. The first-round selection was traded to the Dallas Cowboys in order to acquire quarterback Brady Quinn in the 2007 Draft, the second-round selection was traded to the Green Bay Packers for defensive tackle Corey Williams, and the third-round selection was traded to the Detroit Lions for defensive tackle Shaun Rogers I missed that somehow, thanks. I have been looking back over the drafts, I refuse to believe one franchise can get so many picks wrong, there just hasn't been a culture or system in place for these players to succeed. It has to be more than just bad evaluating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Thanks guys I missed that somehow, thanks. I have been looking back over the drafts, I refuse to believe one franchise can get so many picks wrong, there just hasn't been a culture or system in place for these players to succeed. It has to be more than just bad evaluating. I think you're right. In a good team, rookies don't have to come in and play at a high level right away, they can take a little time to adjust and make their mistakes, safe in the knowledge that the guy next to them has their back. For crap teams - browns, jags, raiders, you get stuck in a rut of needing rookies to become pro-bowlers right away to even achieve mediocrity, since the rest of the team is so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 I think you're right. In a good team, rookies don't have to come in and play at a high level right away, they can take a little time to adjust and make their mistakes, safe in the knowledge that the guy next to them has their back. For crap teams - browns, jags, raiders, you get stuck in a rut of needing rookies to become pro-bowlers right away to even achieve mediocrity, since the rest of the team is so bad. Yeah that's the crux of it, no way Bortles or Manziel should have ever seen the field last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Yeah that's the crux of it, no way Bortles or Manziel should have ever seen the field last year Well, no way they *would* have in a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Yeah that's the crux of it, no way Bortles or Manziel should have ever seen the field last year Elway was basically thrown to the wolves his rookie year (his NFL debut was opening day in Three Rivers, that didn't turn out so well) because the Broncos didn't have anyone else, but Marino sat by design his rookie year and then tore up the NFL in 1984. Of course, it helps to have an ungodly quick release and a cannon for an arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 He was looking pretty good his second year when we had some good players around him, our defense was very tough forr a small stretch before injuries beset us that year, and we made the playoffs the next year... But he onky really had one move, he was never going to be "great" in the NFL, but he could have been a "piece" of something good. But as someone mentioned, he was kinda soft, and no real personality either. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 ... the second-round selection was traded to the [/size][/font][/color]Green Bay Packers for defensive tackle [/size]Corey Williams, and the third-round selection was traded to the [/size]Detroit Lions for defensive tackle [/size]Shaun Rogers Hard to believe we got Shaun for a 3rd... guy was a beast of a NT for us until he was hurt in year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alporcini Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 What I remember about Courtney Brown and how great he MIGHT have been was a Bears game back in 2001, which for some inexplicable reason was on national TV... a game we lost in overtime on a Mike Brown pick six. His performance was Bruce Smith unbelievable. It was his second year, and a knee had kept him out of the first six games. His first game back, Keith McKenzie started, got hurt, so CB had to play more. Dude totally showed why he was the first pick of the 2000 draft. Crazy explosiveness off the corner all day, three sacks and a returned fumble for the Browns' touchdown. Beast!!! Oh, what could have been... Anyone else remember that heartbreaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 What I remember about Courtney Brown and how great he MIGHT have been was a Bears game back in 2001, which for some inexplicable reason was on national TV... a game we lost in overtime on a Mike Brown pick six. His performance was Bruce Smith unbelievable. It was his second year, and a knee had kept him out of the first six games. His first game back, Keith McKenzie started, got hurt, so CB had to play more. Dude totally showed why he was the first pick of the 2000 draft. Crazy explosiveness off the corner all day, three sacks and a returned fumble for the Browns' touchdown. Beast!!! Oh, what could have been... Anyone else remember that heartbreaker? Who could forget? We were winning 21-7 with 28 seconds to go ... and lost ... in overtime. That was the game I was thinking about too. Then Mckenzie got hurt. Brown got hurt. Greg Spires got hurt, Orpheus Roye got hurt ... Ironically it was the one year Jamir Miller wasn't hurt ... and he was All-Pro. The first quarter of that Bears game ... when they were all healthy our defense looked as good as it has ever been. Dominating even. Then, one, by one, they all went down. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 He was soft and didn't live up to his hype. Him and big money were big busts. That about sums it up. While injuries really set him back....he just did not have an aggressive attitude at all. While he could have been functional without the injuries, he was not going to be the Bruce Smith like player we thought originally that he could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Having a nickname like "The quiet storm" should have been a clue to his lack of passion for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 As has been said....he was fairly soft. Maybe Jerry Sandusky had some influence on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 As has been said....he was fairly soft. Maybe Jerry Sandusky had some influence on him. We need to start adding rimshots to your one liners. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 What I remember about Courtney Brown and how great he MIGHT have been was a Bears game back in 2001, which for some inexplicable reason was on national TV... a game we lost in overtime on a Mike Brown pick six. His performance was Bruce Smith unbelievable. It was his second year, and a knee had kept him out of the first six games. His first game back, Keith McKenzie started, got hurt, so CB had to play more. Dude totally showed why he was the first pick of the 2000 draft. Crazy explosiveness off the corner all day, three sacks and a returned fumble for the Browns' touchdown. Beast!!! Oh, what could have been... Anyone else remember that heartbreaker? I agree with Zombo's perception of Courtney Brown. As for the game above, I only remembered the heartbreaking finish. The only time I remembered Courtney Brown getting us 3 sacks in 1 game came when he faced a backup Tackle for Pittsburgh when they had a former Ohio State QB (Graham) filling in and holding onto the ball way too long in the pocket. A lot of people blamed injuries; but even before the injuries he was Charmin soft against the run coming at him. His tackles for losses always came from backside clampdowns when he was often left untouched in backside reach blocking schemes. He was also too quick to be touched in a reach and hinge scheme on the backside. You can't do that scheme to quick guys like Robert Quinn or Courtney Brown. I remembered when Michigan played Penn State it foreshadowed how NFL OC's would game plan for him. They didn't feed his backside heroics. Instead, they opted to run right at Brown with a 3 yards and a cloud of dust mentality. Turned out to be a brilliant game plan because Michigan had epic length drives punctuated by TDs. These were something like 10 minutes apiece - very similar to the NY Giants running at Bruce Smith behind Jumbo Elliott for SB record scoring drives of 13 and 11 minutes. Lost in translation was the reality that Jeff Hostetler walked away as the SB Winning QB while Jim Kelly was the losing QB. The team that ran the ball and stopped the run better won - the same way our front office/coaching staff wants to make life easier on the QB position here in 2015. Courtney Brown never offered us a 2 gap integrity vrs the run so I don't think our DC ever asked that of him. As for his pass rush skills, the second we replaced him with Jamir Miller (who had to change positions and put a hand on the ground) - we finally got the Pro Bowl pass rush we longed for. All of a sudden, we didn't need an extensive list of excuses as to why we weren't hurrying and sacking passers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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