The Gipper Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 But the Steelers dysfunction is in your imagination and the imagination of other Browns fans, the Browns dysfunction is rampant, long standing and plain and simple fact. I know....facts are a four letter word when it comes to the Browns. So? I just made up the arrests of Bell and Blount for smoking dope. I just made up the fact that the Steelers unceremoniously dumped a DC who is considered perhaps the best asst. coach in the history of football. I just made up the rape allegations vs. Big Rape. I created these as figments of my imagination. No, the Steeler dysfunction is there. It is real. Its just that you have what it takes to make up for it. A franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Well let's see: A long standing history of success A long standing history a being a model franchise A long standing history of greatness A long standing history of contention A long standing history of being what lesser franchises aspire to A long standing history of consistency I could go on but I'm sure you have already blanked out the truth and are thinking up your next foolish retort. The Browns have had all of that in spades over what the Steelers have. But all that don't do diddly for you, right here, right now. Right here, right now, it is all about the QB. Why am I not surprised that you are ignorant of that fact? In recent years what you have had in those areas have been based on two factors: A great defense run by a great DC and a franchise QB. Now you no longer have one of those elements. And we shall see if the other holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Give it a rest, .... That....right there.......says it all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Time for a name tweak... Douche Muzzle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round. I agree with that, but then again, I would be hard pressed to say either was a blown pick. That said, I would probably be uncomfortable if we selected one in the 3rd and probably wouldn't care much if we selected one in the 4th, and am totally good using a 5th rounder on a kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Totally agree- as long as you don't go Al Davis and draft Janikowski or Guy in the first round. Yeah that'd suck to have the best kicker in the NFL for 12 years. ... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Every team in the NFL has injuries every year. If you could look at the Browns from the outside, it's pretty easy to see the dysfunction, you and most Browns fans simply can't look at it objectively. The Game is played on the field. See You there and bring those yellow rags to wipe your tears than wipe your ass on the way out. There is a site for you and it's not here go watch Merrill Hodge we can't.C ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either. i didn't like cundiff and i still don't like lanning. but a #1? maybe the first pick in the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 I would love to see this guy from Alabama punting for the Browns. Maybe not a number one but I never thought the Raiders did bad by drafting Ray Guy in the first round. He produced for them for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah that'd suck to have the best kicker in the NFL for 12 years. ... WSS Steve- we had one of the best for many years- in Phil Dawson. How many Championships did that get us? What's a punter like this one from Alabama worth? The value of having a punter who can put opposing teams consistently in bad field position with great punting? I would think he could be a number one pick. As the Browns try to improve the talent on the team the kicking game cannot be ignored either. It can't be ignored- but it should be put in perspective. I think you can still count the number of kickers and punters taken in the first two rounds on your fingers. & two of them were by Al Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Steve- we had one of the best for many years- in Phil Dawson. How many Championships did that get us? And the best wr in the NFLwho won us how many games? And where are our last 12 1st round picks? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 And the best wr in the NFLwho won us how many games? And where are our last 12 1st round picks? WSS Exactly my thinking. As I said earlier, I can't call selecting Guy or Janokoski blown picks. History tells us otherwise. As I said, I could see spending a 3rd, though I might have reservations. in the 4th, very few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Lotta great kickers/ punters over the years. But only three kickers in HOF and one punter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Nice article here on being a Browns Fan-thought I would link it to this topic on How Close We Are. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/cleveland_browns_envy_and_las.html#incart_story_package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Nice article here on being a Browns Fan-thought I would link it to this topic on How Close We Are. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/cleveland_browns_envy_and_las.html#incart_story_package Los Angeles may yet get another team but how frustrating would that be to live in one of the largest cities in the U.S. and see your team move out in 1995 with no replacement in all these years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Give it a rest, you are being foolish. And you, as usual, are being ignorant. When people laugh about the river catching fire, Really? That is what you got? An event that happened when the Steelers were going 1-13 and any titles they may won were in the future? Clevlanders scoff because that was eons ago yet the Browns greatness is only a few years newer than that fiasco and you hang on to it like it was yesterday. Any greatness that the Steelers had is also "yesterday". Your title in 2008 in no different than the Browns in 1964...it is all part of the past. The only thing that matters now is what happens in 2015. And, yes...the Steelers prospects are better. Why? Because they now have a QB. And that is it. (but even that QB didn't stop a beat down in the last game played....but it does help overall.) Browns fans often accuse Steelers fans of thinking that football started in the 70's but the reality of it is that professional football is a "what have you done for me lately" and the Steelers have been the best of the best for 40+ years while the rowns have been one of the very worst for 50+ years. Despite the belief of many Browns fans, football has continued (without the Browns) beyond 1964. And what part did you have to play in any of that? Not a fucking thing. Listen, here is a fact: I am superior to you in every way.....except that by accident, your football team has won some titles more recently than mine has. But, really, the only history that counts is the last game and the next game. So, what happened in that last game? And what might happen in the next game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Lotta great kickers/ punters over the years. But only three kickers in HOF and one punter? There is one more I am aware of but he went in as a safety-Yale Lary And this will come as a surprise-his punting average was 1.9 yds per punt better over his career than HOF Punter Ray Guy Also was a punt returner. And as old Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story" YALE LARY Class of 1979 Defensive Back >>> 5-11, 185 (Texas A&M) 1952-1953, 1956-1964 Detroit Lions Robert Yale Lary. . .Major contributor to three Lions championships. . . 11-year fixture at right safety, exceptional punter, long-distance threat on kick returns. . .Lifetime marks show 50 interceptions, 44.3-yard punting average, three NFL punting crowns, three TDs on punt returns. . .All-NFL five years. . .In nine Pro Bowls. . .Third-round pick, 1952. . . Career interrupted by army service. . .Born November 24, 1930, in Fort Worth, Texas. RAY GUY Class of 2014 Punter >>> 6-3, 195 (Southern Mississippi) 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders William Ray Guy ... First punter ever selected in first round, Raiders 1973 (23rd player overall) ... Averaged under 40 yards only once in NFL career ... Only three of 1,049 punts blocked ... Career average was 42.4 yards ... All-Pro six straight seasons, 1973-1978 ... All-AFC seven times ... Played in seven Pro Bowls, seven AFC championship games, three Super Bowls ... First punter to hit Louisiana Superdome scoreboard, 1977 Pro Bowl ... Born December 22, 1949, in Swainsboro, Georgia. - See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=262#sthash.07MWb73I.dpuf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Perhaps the best punters in Browns history have played Wide Receiver: Gary Collins leads the team in best punting average in a season.....and also in most career TD catches Horace Gillom, a productive WR, was next.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I read a comment I thought was interesting. Does continuity breed success or does success breed continuity? I think continuity does breed success when you have the right people in place. If not you are just spinning your wheels. I think we have the right people in place. Using wins and losses as a gauge we beat expectations last season. We haven't had any continuity since coming back in 99. I hope that is going to change. It should go without saying that success breeds continuity but it is not necessarily so in the NFL (but it is usually the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I think we have the right people in place. Using wins and losses as a gauge we beat expectations last season. We haven't had any continuity since coming back in 99. I hope that is going to change. i REALLY REALLY REALLY hope so too. i think haslam>farmer>pettine work well together, and that 3 day 'meeting' or 'summit' leans me to believe that the owner has faith in these guys. hopefully, no matter what the outcome of W-Ls this coming season he doesn't grow a hair trigger like most owners we see nowadays. no one can gauge growth if you keep cutting the knees out from under them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 i REALLY REALLY REALLY hope so too. i think haslam>farmer>pettine work well together, and that 3 day 'meeting' or 'summit' leans me to believe that the owner has faith in these guys. hopefully, no matter what the outcome of W-Ls this coming season he doesn't grow a hair trigger like most owners we see nowadays. no one can gauge growth if you keep cutting the knees out from under them. That is how I see it too. These guys seem to respect each other and work well with each other. Patience is a word nobody likes but you have to give these guys a little time. We have been running the team too long like a farmer after planting seed continually digging it up to see how it is doing. Give it some time. The important thing is good seed planted. I think we finally have the right coach. I still have confidence in Farmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Los Angeles may yet get another team but how frustrating would that be to live in one of the largest cities in the U.S. and see your team move out in 1995 with no replacement in all these years? Trust me... The number of people who truly care about LA getting a NFL team wouldn't fill the Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Trust me... The number of people who truly care about LA getting a NFL team wouldn't fill the Q. I know you are right but you have to pity the ones who do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I know you are right but you have to pity the ones who do. They'll have the Chargers to ignore soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 They'll have the Chargers to ignore soon enough. Why don't they just call them the Southern California or Golden State or the LA Chargers of San Diego or some such nonsense and put them in Orange Co.? Halfway between SD and LA. Solves both cities problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Why don't they just call them the Southern California or Golden State or the LA Chargers of San Diego or some such nonsense and put them in Orange Co.? Halfway between SD and LA. Solves both cities problem. Certainly could. I always thought that's what the Clippers should do to get out of LA and under the Lakers. For the Chargers though, there's no way a stadium gets built anywhere in OC either. LA is the only option in terms of land and where the NFL wants the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 And the best wr in the NFLwho won us how many games? And where are our last 12 1st round picks? WSS Let's trade out of the first round from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Let's trade out of the first round from now on. Ok. Would you take 5 second rounders for our two first rounders? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ok. Would you take 5 second rounders for our two first rounders? WSS hmmmmm? good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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