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bbedward Proficient

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Judging by the reaction here of Trump supporters, I think it's clear Clinton won.

 

Ed has been posting everything he thought was unfair. Posting things he thinks Clinton lied about. If Trump won we would see a bunch of memes posted and other BS.

Thinks I know she lied about and things that were unfair.

 

Trump didn't push her hard enough and was on the defensive too much, I don't deny that. He shouldn't have spent so much time defending the Iraq war stuff either he should have pressed Clinton as the one that voted for it.

 

Holt did ask tough questions to Trump about Tax returns, birther stuff, and interjected about how his Hillary stamina comment was sexist. He didn't ask Hillary anything tough or critical.

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Trump needs to ask something like "why did president Obama send emails to you private server using a pseudonym and then tell the American people he didn't know the server existed?" At the next one.

 

Hillary lies and if she gets pressed on tough issues she would get caught.

 

The VP debate is going to be a snooze fest compared to yesterday though. Don't think it gets more boring than Pence and Kaine.

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calfoxwc Grand Master

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the dems play dirty. This is the first of three. Actually, defending himself at length,

given that lester the debate molester went after Trump all too obviously...

 

makes two things happen:

 

1. Viewers noted Trump never once losing his composure. A simple lie, the dems are good at it,

takes more than a simple denial to make the lie not effective. Of course he was on the defensive,

and this first debate, he defended very, very well. Voters will take notice that Trump is not the fire

breathing dragon higgardly and lesterfester tried to paint him as. IOW's, they put him on the defensive,

and he defended at length, and explained. That is points for Trump. A loss of points for higgardly and lesterfester.

 

2. Trump brought up some major hits on his own, lesterfester tried to interrupt him when he was doing well at it,

and Trump ended up looking like the underdog fighting two opponents. Voters will take note ot that.

She came off phoney, as usual, with canned soundbites and fake happy faces. She lost a lot of points

on completely being unable to defend her record. That's very bad. She also failed to posture like an

expert on facts and figures - and an incumbent problem with emotional quips goes nowhere near good

for American voters who are looking for America to change direction. Huge advantage goes to Trump.

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Giuliani livid over last night’s debate, says Trump should skip the rest…

 

Rudy Giuliani is livid this morning over last night’s debate moderator, Lester Holt, and how he misportrayed ‘stop and frisk’. In fact he says Trump should skip the reset of the debates unless he can get assurances that the moderators won’t act like ‘ignorant fact checks’:

 

THE HILL – “If I were Donald Trump, I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised the journalist would act like a journalist, and not an ignorant fact check,” Giuliani said late Monday night in the post-debate spin room, according to video provided by Bloomberg.
“My advice would be the moderator would have to promise they’d be a moderator.”

But although Trump praised Holt immediately after the debate, Giuliani gave a scathing review of the moderator, claiming his “interference” in a discussion about policing in New York was “outrageous.”

“If journalism has ethics, Lester Holt unethically interfering in the area of law he knows nothing about,” Giuliani said.

“It is not unconstitutional and Trump’s description of that case was correct.”

The argument in question came after Holt claimed “stop and frisk,” a controversial program Giuliani approved as mayor of New York in which police search people they stop for questioning, “was ruled unconstitutional in New York” for its impact on minorities.

That practice has been criticized as disproportionately targeting minorities. A circuit court judge ruled the practice unconstitutional, but a higher court never settled the question.

 

http://therightscoop.com/giuliani-livid-over-last-nights-debate-says-trump-should-skip-the-rest/

 

*I would not agree Trump should skip any debates ....that would kill his chances to win. The better alternative would be to do debate prep and factoring in the bias and being prepared for it.

 

When Matt Laurer asked Clinton tough questions on her emails he was soundly criticized by his liberal colleagues in the MSM for being too tough on her. Holt no doubt wanted to please his MSM pals and not make the "mistake" of Matt Lauer.

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higgardly, the morning after...two hands on the rail, lizard pretend smile.

 

https://vine.co/v/5rKMLV9l2JW

 

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Scott Adams had a good take on it, he definitely shouldn't be skipping the next debates though. Trump went for the restrained approach which will probably win him more voters when it's all said and done.

 

AC actually pushed Hillary in the one dem primary debate, and usually is pretty fair despite his personal opinions. I think he should be good in the 2nd one.

 

Trump should also not criticize Holt despite the fact he was terrible, let his surrogates point out the bias for him.

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Here's a pretty balances article about last night. I personally love fivethirtyeight, I find them to be almost always fair and point out bias when apparent. I know some won't take the time of day, but for others this is pretty good stuff.

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/

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Hillary just isn't likable.

 

That could be a factor. In the Kennedy v Nixon debate in 1960 it was a split decision as to who won their debate. Those who listened to the debate on radio said Nixon won while those who watched it on television said Kennedy won. That was the likeability factor. On television Nixon did not come across well.

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Hillary sounded like a run of the mill politician with the same canned lines - not exactly what people are looking for this year.

 

I don't think Trump won, I think he did well and has a chance to gain depending on how he affected public perception of himself. He simply had too many opportunities to clobber Hillary on a lie or something else and he didn't do it - of course Holt and the media didn't help out with that too much. Holt did his best to make sure Trump stayed on the defensive.

 

Conversely I don't think Hillary won either, unless you call not collapsing a victory.

 

The "who won the debate" polls are worthless, what matters really is the polls that come out at the end of the week/next week. Trump has a stronger support base online so of course he won all the online polls. CNN sampled 46% democrats and 26% republicans in their poll so of course Hillary won.

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