calfoxwc Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Was higgardly and Obamao getting their money from them, too? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/22/why-havent-charges-been-filed-against-an-ex-state-dept-employee-who-allegedly-spied-for-the-chinese/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Interesting St dept connection. Don't think Obama has anything to do with this but the Clinton connection can't be looked past. When Bill was president there was some weird shit like this going on with the Chinese too. Another reason why I hope the dems run somebody else so there isn't a menu of two turds as it seems like there is every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 They likely don't want to upset the country that is keeping us afloat. The Chinese close their wallet and this country has to run within its means. All hell would break loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 They likely don't want to upset the country that is keeping us afloat. The Chinese close their wallet and this country has to run within its means. All hell would break loose. They're already threatening to upend the petrodollar. That would be war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 They're already threatening to upend the petrodollar. That would be war. Psst anyone care to guess what Saddam Hussein proposed right before we blew the fuck out of him? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Psst anyone care to guess what Saddam Hussein proposed right before we blew the fuck out of him? WSS Gaddafi also suggested using a regional currency for oil trading right before getting the chop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yo, big serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Psst anyone care to guess what Saddam Hussein proposed right before we blew the fuck out of him? WSS exactly, which is why that war was dirty and in the end caused infinitely more trouble than it was ever gonna be worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Interesting St dept connection. Don't think Obama has anything to do with this but the Clinton connection can't be looked past. When Bill was president there was some weird shit like this going on with the Chinese too. Another reason why I hope the dems run somebody else so there isn't a menu of two turds as it seems like there is every time. No doubt. I bet it's the first he's ever heard of it, he gets his news from the media like everyone else remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 exactly, which is why that war was dirty and in the end caused infinitely more trouble than it was ever gonna be worth. So you believe that by changing the currency system for oil worldwide from the US dollar to the Euro is not a cause for concern? Pal you are out of your fucking mind. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 So you believe that by changing the currency system for oil worldwide from the US dollar to the Euro is not a cause for concern? Pal you are out of your fucking mind. WSS people should be allowed to sell their oil for camels, or bubblegum...or whatever the fuck they want. That's a principle of capitalism, and you call me out of my mind? How dare any govt dictate to another sovereign entity in what form they should sell their resources. If nobody else wanted to deal with Husseins stupid idea than he would have had to capitulate and sell his oil in what people wanted, otherwise they just wouldn't do business with him and he would lose out. Again, fundamental principles of capitalism that astonishingly some of you don't get yet constantly persevere that the left is full of commie's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 How dare any country to another country they can't invade their neighbor or exterminate a particular group of people or declare their independence? And for clarification I could give a fuck about spreading democracy or capitalism or justice around the globe unless it results in benefit for the United States of America. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 How dare any country to another country they can't invade their neighbor or exterminate a particular group of people or declare their independence? And for clarification I could give a fuck about spreading democracy or capitalism or justice around the globe unless it results in benefit for the United States of America. WSS you just put on display what liberals have been accusing conservative of for decades. If you were a Fox news broadcaster and you let that cat out on the air, you'd be fired the next day...but not because they disagreed. In other words, shhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 exactly, which is why that war was dirty and in the end caused infinitely more trouble than it was ever gonna be worth. All wars are dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 All wars are dirty. dirty by nature yes, but not all by intent. I would argue ww2 was necessary, as far as I know, but everything since was of ill intent. It still amazes me that most americans in the 60's, not all, but most got sold on the notion that Vietnam was absolutely necessary to our national security or stopping the domino effect blah blah blah. But yes for the most part I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
htownbrown Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 This reminds me of when the US spy plane crashed into the Chinese fighter plane, killing their pilot and forcing the spy plane to land in China. We were clearly spying on them and they released the crew with nothing more than an apology from Bush's office. We've played this game already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 This reminds me of when the US spy plane crashed into the Chinese fighter plane, killing their pilot and forcing the spy plane to land in China. We were clearly spying on them and they released the crew with nothing more than an apology from Bush's office. We've played this game already. WHAT!!! Bush apologized???? how dare that traitor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 dirty by nature yes, but not all by intent. I would argue ww2 was necessary, as far as I know, but everything since was of ill intent. It still amazes me that most americans in the 60's, not all, but most got sold on the notion that Vietnam was absolutely necessary to our national security or stopping the domino effect blah blah blah. But yes for the most part I agree with you. Whats even more amazing is that prior to entering WWII, there were leftist peaceniks and anti-war types even in those days.... opposing Americas involvement in the war, insisting on diplomacy and or gestures of kindness such as offering Hitler a box of candy and roses thinking he would have a change of heart. Cause "Nazis are mothers and fathers too" ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Whats even more amazing is that prior to entering WWII, there were leftist peaceniks and anti-war types even in those days.... opposing Americas involvement in the war, insisting on diplomacy and or gestures of kindness such as offering Hitler a box of candy and roses thinking he would have a change of heart. Cause "Nazis are mothers and fathers too" ya know. I'm sure there were. They ain't been wrong since though have they? Nope, but it always takes a few decades before people are like ah ok maybe it wasn't the best idea. In the meantime trillions of dollars were literally shit down the toilet and more importantly, thousands and thousands of lives were cost on both sides. The "peaceniks" are usually right because "most" wars are always fought for some minor special interest, not the overall good of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 They ain't been wrong since though have they? Nope, but it always takes a few decades before people are like ah ok maybe it wasn't the best idea. It still amazes me that most americans in the 60's, not all, but most got sold on the notion that Vietnam was absolutely necessary to our national security or stopping the domino effect blah blah blah. Contradict much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 you just put on display what liberals have been accusing conservative of for decades. If you were a Fox news broadcaster and you let that cat out on the air, you'd be fired the next day...but not because they disagreed. In other words, shhhhhhhh What the fuck does Fox News have to do with it? Haven't you guys got any other talking points? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 The "peaceniks" are usually right because "most" wars are always fought for some minor special interest, not the overall good of the country. NastyhippieCleve ************************************** "peaceniks" ??? You mean like the ones protesting the war in Vietnam, like Jane Fonda, and the rest who literally stunk because they thought showering was hurting their "Earth Mother", had raggedy hair, were paranoid by all real life on earth, and at Kent, went to the giant rally in Washintong DC, and the leaders thereof, took all the bus money, and blew it on a party and never went to the rally, while a lot of other protesters got arrested, and they didn't have any way to get back to Ohio? And got corraled in JFK stadium? I know that because I sat down at the student union afterwards, and realized that one of the ladies across the table had tears falling like rain down her face. She wasn't a hippie, but her brother was in Vietnam, and she wanted him to come home, and the war ended. Her friend explained that she was okay, but what happened in D.C. made her realize those "peaceniks" were frauds. And she realized that nearly getting arrested protesting the war for her brother, that the hippie leaders had taken all their money and splurged on a big party of their own? Those hippie "peaceniks" are your heroes? All those who raised so much hell they encouraged the enemy to torture and maim to raise public opinion eventually, like Jane Traitor Fonda did? And, actually alienated most of the middle class against acting to end the Vietnam war, which was started by LBJ ???? And caused who knows how many tens of thousands of American soldier deaths because the war just continued to drag on? Sorry, but you are like a guy who says the republicans will never win, and the times they lose, you gloat, and the times you're wrong, you go hide somewhere until "you win" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 Obamao in the thread title and Higgardy in the Op. You should have put Big Serious Trouble in the OP and gotten everything out of the way....... Slacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 All things in moderation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 You're a good sport, Cal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted April 24, 2015 Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 I don't know of this story you're referencing but I simply don't care what a small group of people did. I shouldn't even have used the word "peacenik" to refer to all people who opposed the Vietnam war. Because frankly anyone with any lick of sense about them would have opposed the Vietnam war. PUre dirt on our part to get involvd there. The "peaceniks" are usually right because "most" wars are always fought for some minor special interest, not the overall good of the country. NastyhippieCleve ************************************** "peaceniks" ??? You mean like the ones protesting the war in Vietnam, like Jane Fonda, and the rest who literally stunk because they thought showering was hurting their "Earth Mother", had raggedy hair, were paranoid by all real life on earth, and at Kent, went to the giant rally in Washintong DC, and the leaders thereof, took all the bus money, and blew it on a party and never went to the rally, while a lot of other protesters got arrested, and they didn't have any way to get back to Ohio? And got corraled in JFK stadium? I know that because I sat down at the student union afterwards, and realized that one of the ladies across the table had tears falling like rain down her face. She wasn't a hippie, but her brother was in Vietnam, and she wanted him to come home, and the war ended. Her friend explained that she was okay, but what happened in D.C. made her realize those "peaceniks" were frauds. And she realized that nearly getting arrested protesting the war for her brother, that the hippie leaders had taken all their money and splurged on a big party of their own? Those hippie "peaceniks" are your heroes? All those who raised so much hell they encouraged the enemy to torture and maim to raise public opinion eventually, like Jane Traitor Fonda did? And, actually alienated most of the middle class against acting to end the Vietnam war, which was started by LBJ ???? And caused who knows how many tens of thousands of American soldier deaths because the war just continued to drag on? Sorry, but you are like a guy who says the republicans will never win, and the times they lose, you gloat, and the times you're wrong, you go hide somewhere until "you win" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted April 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2015 It was a pretty big contigent from Kent. The story I told you was true, except it was RFK stadium, not JFK. I hope her brother made it back home. Went and found this for ya http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/washington-dc-protests-against-war-vietnam-mayday-1971 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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