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hahahaha. Cleve translation:

 

")(*&(^*, he's got there. I can't name one. dammit."

 

No it really doesn't matter because if I started listing them off then i'd be no better than the common filth that calls itself liberal or conservative these days. You can't say you hate it when one guy did it and then be fine when your guy did it. It really is called principle. You should immediately investigate that notion.

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baloney. That's the old liberal "jaywalking is the same as murder because they are both crimes" argument.

 

Not buyin it, Cleve. Not worth a plug nickel.

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no context. It's the purest definition of hypocrisy.

Hate to say you're wrong, but cal has one of the finest definitions of hypocrisy, ever. He bashes freeloaders daily, but it's ok for him to argue that his wife can sponge off of an organization...

 

He wants a country where a bunch of lawyers, oil men, movie stars, athletes, and insurance brokers can contribute to PACs, but not a union.

 

Crazy. Our country was founded on freedom through organization. 239 years later, organization is a bad word. Tsk tsk tsk....cal you are bat shit crazy.

 

http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=492446

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Hate to say you're wrong, but cal has one of the finest definitions of hypocrisy, ever. He bashes freeloaders daily, but it's ok for him to argue that his wife can sponge off of an organization...

 

http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=492446

 

I barely made it a few sentences into that scatter scratch, cliff notes?

 

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Cliff notes= his wife was a teacher and had a contract negotiated by a union. Like MOST union members, she (he) didn't agree with some things, particularly her union's donations to the Democratic Party and/or their PACs.



He thinks someone shouldn't have to join a union because they don't believe in that principal, yet he thinks it's ok to gain the union benefit without paying a penny towards that said union. In other words, he wants the cookies in the cookie jar, but won't pay for them.



Hypocrite.


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Cliff notes= his wife was a teacher and had a contract negotiated by a union. Like MOST union members, she (he) didn't agree with some things, particularly her union's donations to the Democratic Party and/or their PACs.

He thinks someone shouldn't have to join a union because they don't believe in that principal, yet he thinks it's ok to gain the union benefit without paying a penny towards that said union. In other words, he wants the cookies in the cookie jar, but won't pay for them.

Hypocrite.

 

 

From the things I've seen him write here, that sounds just about par for the course.

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From the things I've seen him write here, that sounds just about par for the course.

I think he is a smart guy, but is more "emotional" than the libs he continually bashes. Just remember, it's only libs who are emotional, never a right-winger :wacko:

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I think he is a smart guy, but is more "emotional" than the libs he continually bashes. Just remember, it's only libs who are emotional, never a right-winger :wacko:

Ahh liberal double talk again. Aren't you always the ones that say right wingers hate blacks, the poor, gays and women...and love their guns and bibles? Those are emotions right? They also cried when that fraud got re-elected remember?

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He thinks someone shouldn't have to join a union because they don't believe in that principal, Bromide

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A. The word you want is "principle". Perhaps your principal at your liberal no grades grade school

should have reinforced that.

 

B. I do not believe people should be required to join a union they don't believe gives them any benefits, along with

representing them politically totally off base and contrary to what they believe in.

 

C. There is no free union representation for an employee not in the union that has been wrongly treated/fired/whatever.

 

D. There are other disadvantages to not joining the union, depending on the ethics or lack of the same, of the salaried management,

or educational admin. If you union sent apecrap like the SEIU and was sending money to the communist party U.S.A.,

would you still join?

 

E. It reminds me of going to church way back in my earlier days right after the Air Force. Baptist church. One day, they found out

that our church was a member of the Baptist org, the American Baptist org, and the American baptist org sent money to the

World Council of churches, which was very much a leftist front globally. So much so, that the WCC had several higher ups

making official policy doubting the deity of Jesus Christ. And the usual leftist derogatory labels for capitalism ,a pro-choice stance

on abortion....etc etc.

 

Well, a whole bunch of us drew the line and said we wanted to leave the American Baptist org. A "civil war" started, because a lot

of folks there said they didn't care what the American baptists stood for or believed, their family was always American baptists,

and they were always going to stay American baptists.

 

We were like "WHAT?"

 

So, they went ballistic, and downright nearly violent, and refused to have avote....so we left. Started a whole 'nother church.

then one day, that church found out that a lot of church members were masons. well, the stuff hit the fan about that, too.So,

the church split again. Then I pretty much decided that church was a great place to go, unless there were people there,

and left it all for more time fishing with my Dad.

 

So, when I look at a union that clearly disregarded it's membership and since they are a "trapped audience", they can

just go with the money, greed and corruption and the members just keep giving money to them even when they hate the

way their dues are being used.

 

How many teamster union members do you think supported the mafia? Socialism? corruption? Take a look around at some

of the higher ups in these unions - SEIU, AFL-CIO.

 

"Right to work" simply gives members the option of having a say on how their unions represent them.

 

F. My Wifie was ALWAYS A MEMBER OF THE UNION. But if the union was corrupt to the core, I wouldn't

have joined a union, and she probably wouldn't either.

 

G. This gives the unions ACCOUNTABILITY to it's members. Go read up on the SEIU activities, and then

consider how many store clerks buy into all their garbage. But what can they do? Quit their jobs?

 

Shouldn't have had to join the union, or stay in the union, when the union clearly goes rogue.

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So, say you are a union member, Bromide, and you and all your fellow union members

find out that your union leadership is now communist party usa.

 

And you all are po'd, disgusted, and really honked off.

 

What can you do? Nothing, unless you want to all lose your jobs, leave the union.

 

Closed shop. Note: in the article, the communist party realized that they could gain more political power

by using unions/organizations, than by being a political party operating in American politics.

 

So, my point stands, and I stand on PRINCIPLE.

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So, say you are a union member, Bromide, and you and all your fellow union members

find out that your union leadership is now communist party usa.

 

And you all are po'd, disgusted, and really honked off.

 

What can you do? Nothing, unless you want to all lose your jobs, leave the union.

 

Closed shop. Note: in the article, the communist party realized that they could gain more political power

by using unions/organizations, than by being a political party operating in American politics.

 

So, my point stands, and I stand on PRINCIPLE.

 

Cliff Notes: It's still ok for you and your family to benefit but fuck everyone else.

 

 

Got it. Very principled

 

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Typical liberal, emotional knee jerk about a falsehood.

 

Nobody in my family benefited. My Wifie retired as an educator,

with a masters, always in the union.

 

What is it with you knee jerks? Can't comprehend what you read,

or too busy emotionally knee jerking to bother reading at all?

 

good gravy. Wait, say "Hands up, don't shoot" about the Ferguson thing,

and make it complete.

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So, say you are a union member, Bromide, and you and all your fellow union members

find out that your union leadership is now communist party usa.

 

And you all are po'd, disgusted, and really honked off.

 

What can you do? Nothing, unless you want to all lose your jobs, leave the union.

 

Closed shop. Note: in the article, the communist party realized that they could gain more political power

by using unions/organizations, than by being a political party operating in American politics.

 

So, my point stands, and I stand on PRINCIPLE.

Yep, I am a dumb ass and used the wrong spelling. Principle is correct cal, too many brews for a late night post, my bad. In regards to your scenario, I'd call for a vote of the union body to change leadership through an election.

 

Well let's analyze your 4th sentence above if we may..... Closed shop. Note: in the article, the communist party realized that they could gain more political power

by using unions/organizations, than by being a political party operating in American politics.

This is exactly what the Republican Party is attempting to do with the Right to Work campaign.They are trying to destroy unions through cleverly worded legislation. Less union members= less contributions to a PAC (potentially) that could theoretically weaken the Democratic Party (it is understood unions support Ds more than Rs).

 

So is that truly ok cal? Try to be objective. The "average Joe" isn't going to write a check to a PAC...it is much easier for he/she to have a portion of their union dues take care of that.

 

It seems you aren't grasping that concept, maybe that clears it up. If not, please insult me some more....and yeah, you inspired me to change my avatar, thanks.

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Why, thank you. I'm an inspirational guy, if you take to creative goofiness because of me,

well, I'm honored.

 

I understand your intended point. You need to know that keeping unions from being totalitarian and so powerful

they are akin to a monopoly with overwhelming economic power giving the monopoly a stranglehold on

our economy...

 

Take Teddy Roosevelt, the trust buster and the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890. Corporations who were monopolies

stepped over the line with way too much control, and they had to be regulated to maintain the balance.

Too much power equals the ability to dominate our economy, and renders arbitration useless, giving

our country serious damage.

So too, unions should be held accountable for having way too much power, which ends up being the same thing.

They can, and have, put companies out of business. They can, and have, caused great safety concerns like the

air traffic controller bs strike. Like the garbage collector strike in NY, I think it was. "You pay up, and we get everything we want, or disease and pestilence and stink will destroy this city".......

 

Like unions becoming socialist/democratic entities and becoming so powerful they could be throwing our representative

gov completely out of whack.

 

So, the Right to Work laws accomplish a fair balance and accountability to unions, restricting them from

being overwhelmingly powerful, that they can have undue control over our electoral system, our economy,

and goods and services held "ransom" in a gigantic collective burst of economic extortion.

 

Unions are supposed to be for the protection and fair treatment of employees. Not giant political machines that

the union members completely lose control of.

 

Therefore, unless unions are kept at a fair balance, they can, and historically have, become a tool for anti-American

radical movements. and with some unions being told to strike to give more extortion power to another completely different union,

big damage happens.

 

The Right to Work laws leave membership up to the members/nonmembers. If you want the benefits of

union protection from unfair labor practices, you join up. That's a great thing.

 

If you have a job, and it is run by communist/socialist/radical/corrupt dirtbags, why should a conservative employee or any objecting employee

be forced to pay dues to that? That's a lot like East Germany building the wall to keep people in.

 

I'm for freedom. There have been movements to get rid of secret balloting. Know what happens then?

You openly vote against the union brass for something or somebody they don't approve of, and you can

be intimidated to "change your mind". When it comes to a vote to have a union? And half the shop knows

how you voted against it and they WANT that union, that power, even though half the shop is happy

with the management and are treated great?

 

Bad Stuff can happen to you. https://www.unionfacts.com/article/employee-rights/secret-ballot-elections/

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Just FYI - JB - I was just being funny and nicknamed you temporarily

"BROMIDE".

 

Bromide is a compound... a toxic salt. Kinda fitting in a dumb, amusing, ironic way, eh?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromide

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromine

 

You however, changed your avatar to Bromine, which

is an element.

 

I chose "bromide" intentionally. For ten years I worked in an R&D lab, chemical environment,

only I was the programmer/analyst who wrote all the software.

 

Your posts, imho, tend to be salty and toxic. LOL. Get it? LOLOL.

 

"sigh"

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Just FYI - JB - I was just being funny and nicknamed you temporarily

"BROMIDE".

 

Bromide is a compound... a toxic salt. Kinda fitting in a dumb, amusing, ironic way, eh?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromide

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromine

 

You however, changed your avatar to Bromine, which

is an element.

 

I chose "bromide" intentionally. For ten years I worked in an R&D lab, chemical environment,

only I was the programmer/analyst who wrote all the software.

 

Your posts, imho, tend to be salty and toxic. LOL. Get it? LOLOL.

 

"sigh"

I get it. A Google image search rendered that, which I found amusing...kind of "element-ary" since you panned my education earlier.

Anyhow, We could go on and on about this, never ever convincing each other to change our mind. We can agree that in some instances (like you pointed out), unions can be over the top.

Here's one other take on your comment- So, the Right to Work laws accomplish a fair balance and accountability to unions, restricting them from

being overwhelmingly powerful, that they can have undue control over our electoral system, our economy,

and goods and services held "ransom" in a gigantic collective burst of economic extortion.

Insert "Texas wealthy oil man, movie star, publishing company, Wal Mart Executive, hot shot law firm(s), pharmaceutical companies..." in place of "Right to Work," you decide. Is a plutocracy where we are headed if we allow the wealthy & politically connected to pull all the strings? Can't "union Joe" get his $100 in there (x many many members contributing) to help get a piece of the pie? Unfortunately, the game of politics has caused this....money gets a voice.

Every time we shop at a Wal Mart, we are theoretically killing small business. Every time we fill up our vehicle at a gas station, a portion of our money is also going to a cause we may not agree with (via an oil company lobby). It doesn't stop me from filling up, I need to get to work (and play, lol), or my wife from buying cheaper toothpaste or shampoo.

Have a nice day. I'm going to pop my allergy pill now, and hope a portion of my prescription purchase isn't going towards shunning union Joe.

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Well said, what you say is true. Which brings to mind the greed of

Monsanto.

 

A good bit off topic, but I'm not all that pro corp, either. There is also a major

corporation greed problem in this country, I suppose we need a trust buster and

and union buster, just enough to keep either out of bounds side from getting so much power that

it screws up the country.

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a leader like say.... this man -

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/23/why-george-w-bush-requested-a-military-aide-redo-a-purple-heart-ceremony/

 

 

The Marine had just opened his eyes. I could see him from where I stood.

The CNO held the medical team back and said, “Hold on, guys. I think he wants the president.”

The president jumped up and rushed over to the side of the bed. He cupped the Marine’s face in his hands. They locked eyes, and after a couple of moments the president, without breaking eye contact, said to the military aide, “Read it again.”

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a leader like say.... this man -

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/23/why-george-w-bush-requested-a-military-aide-redo-a-purple-heart-ceremony/

 

 

The Marine had just opened his eyes. I could see him from where I stood.

The CNO held the medical team back and said, “Hold on, guys. I think he wants the president.”

The president jumped up and rushed over to the side of the bed. He cupped the Marine’s face in his hands. They locked eyes, and after a couple of moments the president, without breaking eye contact, said to the military aide, “Read it again.”

 

The liberal bias is sickening at times:

 

Dana Perino’s new book features a touching encounter between President George W. Bush and an injured—and intubated—Marine receiving the Purple Heart. She follows it with another story involving a dying soldier’s mother yelling at the president about the war.

 

Both stories were recounted by Perino in an excerpt from “And the Good News Is…” that was published by The Daily Signal this week. But if you listened to NPR’s interview with the former White House press secretary on “Morning Edition” today, you would’ve only heard one.

 

NPR’s edited version of the interview that aired included the story about the mother who yelled at Bush, but not the more uplifting story about the Marine, who happened to be intubated in his hospital bed but opened his eyes upon Bush’s comments to the Marine’s son.

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Damn, that is sickening. So much of the media has sold out to the

frantic, hateful, vindicktive left.

 

I admire Bush for all the good man he was, which was a whole lot.

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