Osiris Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 He's emerged. Twelve tackles in two games is pretty damn good for a nose tackle and the run defense is 100x better than last year already, yet all I hear is whining about Wentz and how our #1 draft picks never do anything. Yet Coleman and Shelton both showing promise. Just goes to show you that coaching makes all the difference in the world and we had craptastic coaches last year. My biggest fear is that the overreaction on Wentz trickles up to Jimmy and he cleans the slate again, getting rid of the best coaching staff this team has seen since 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 If Jimmah is cleaning out anybody, it's the lawyer and the baseball guy - Not Hue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted September 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 If Jimmah is cleaning out anybody, it's the lawyer and the baseball guy - Not Hue. And yet Coleman, Kindred, Ogbah, and Nassib are all looking pretty good right now... Edit: And let's not forget, the QB situation was Hue's decision. My point is, yeah, people are gonna make mistakes, especially when you are putting in place people who haven't done something a whole lot. And if we keep firing everyone who makes a mistake, we'll never keep anyone who learns from them, and nobody who learned from them elsewhere is going to come here, so we'll just keep hiring inexperienced people, who will make mistakes, who will get fired, and round-and-round it will ,and has, gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 If Jimmah is cleaning out anybody, it's the lawyer and the baseball guy - Not Hue. And that would be mega stupid... If it turns out we whiffed on Wentz (and it is still an "if"), then the question Jimmah must ask is the one that DePo and Sashi should be prepared to answer, "What did we miss?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 What if Hue is right about Kessler? I will shut up for good! He's smallish and after drafting Johnny Vegas I was hoping for a big strong pocket passer like Andrew Luck, Wentz, Lynch etc. Any in mind at the college level? Go Cody, Coleman and Crowell! Miami will probably win but I hope not! Stick to the basics Hue and feed the Crow! Also Coleman looks like he can play with any QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Just goes to show you that coaching makes all the difference in the world and we had craptastic coaches last year. So, Shelton is better because of coaching and not just because he has a year under his belt?.....So, does this mean we should expect the rookies to be great year one, now that they have a coach?...or does this years crop get a 1 year grace period(unlike Danny)? My point is, yeah, people are gonna make mistakes, especially when you are putting in place people who haven't done something a whole lot. And if we keep firing everyone who makes a mistake, we'll never keep anyone who learns from them, and nobody who learned from them elsewhere is going to come here, so we'll just keep hiring inexperienced people, who will make mistakes, who will get fired, and round-and-round it will ,and has, gone. So, Im confused, top post says firing the new coaches was why Sheltons suddenly good and bottom post says they should give the coaches/FO a chance to learn from their mistakes and firing them too soon isnt good.....confusing indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 getting rid of the best coaching staff this team has seen since 1999. uh... what the fuck? the best coaching staff since 1999? wow. 2 games in. 2 losses. QBs dropping like flies. one of the weakest if not weakest teams in the league and they are 'the best coaching staff the browns have had since 1999!' can you wait maybe until game 8 to proclaim that? hell, how about game 6? you are seriously.......... just (i don't know the word)....insane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 So, Shelton is better because of coaching and not just because he has a year under his belt?.....So, does this mean we should expect the rookies to be great year one, now that they have a coach?...or does this years crop get a 1 year grace period(unlike Danny)? So, Im confused, top post says firing the new coaches was why Sheltons suddenly good and bottom post says they should give the coaches/FO a chance to learn from their mistakes and firing them too soon isnt good.....confusing indeed... Shelton is good because we finally got an experienced coaching staff that knows how to coach him. The Browns have sucked since 1999 because the owners don't let the people running the team develop. These things aren't mutually exclusive. uh... what the fuck? the best coaching staff since 1999? wow. 2 games in. 2 losses. QBs dropping like flies. one of the weakest if not weakest teams in the league and they are 'the best coaching staff the browns have had since 1999!' can you wait maybe until game 8 to proclaim that? hell, how about game 6? you are seriously.......... just (i don't know the word)....insane? The word is vision, something you don't have. If you get the wax out of your ears and the crud out of your eyes you won't need two games to see and hear what's happened since Hue was hired. When is the last time you had 4-5 rookies contributing as starters in Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who holds his players accountable like Hue does? When's the last time we had a coach with the balls to declare he was going to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who emphasized live tackling in preseason like Hue did. This coaching staff has 150 years MORE combined experience than the previous. The culture has to change before the wins will come, and the culture is changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 The word is vision, something you don't have. If you get the wax out of your ears and the crud out of your eyes you won't need two games to see and hear what's happened since Hue was hired. When is the last time you had 4-5 rookies contributing as starters in Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who holds his players accountable like Hue does? When's the last time we had a coach with the balls to declare he was going to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who emphasized live tackling in preseason like Hue did. This coaching staff has 150 years MORE combined experience than the previous. The culture has to change before the wins will come, and the culture is changing. https://youtu.be/Epwq2mOyRy8?t=6s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I have vision, I see an 0-2 team with many injuries two games in. Hue is given credit as 'best coach since 1999', really? I see nothing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Shelton is good because we finally got an experienced coaching staff that knows how to coach him. The Browns have sucked since 1999 because the owners don't let the people running the team develop. These things aren't mutually exclusive. The word is vision, something you don't have. If you get the wax out of your ears and the crud out of your eyes you won't need two games to see and hear what's happened since Hue was hired. When is the last time you had 4-5 rookies contributing as starters in Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who holds his players accountable like Hue does? When's the last time we had a coach with the balls to declare he was going to win a Super Bowl for Cleveland? When is the last time we had a coach who emphasized live tackling in preseason like Hue did. This coaching staff has 150 years MORE combined experience than the previous. The culture has to change before the wins will come, and the culture is changing. When's the last time you heard "play like a Brown"? That came from Mike Pettine. When we speak of culture we are talking about a winning culture or a losing culture. Way to early to suggest the culture is changing. You got it backwards, wins must come before the culture changes. What you are describing are the ingredients you feel are needed to eventually change the culture, not that the culture is actually changing. Starting rookies has zero to do with a changing culture. The more you win, the more the culture starts to change. Wins are the only thing that matters, I don't care how many times Hue promises to take the browns to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 As I said in a previous post on a different thread, it's time for me to take a step back on my "heading towards Bustville" stance on Shelton. Is he a sure-fire allstar? Of course not, but he impacted the game the way he was supposed to, and that's what we need out of him. Our yards-per-rush average on defense is top ten in the NFL, and while I don't think it will STAY that way, it's still an early positive. Keep it up Danny. I want a sack this week where he blows up the center and trounces the QB, and 8 more solo tackles. Keep building kid...keep building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 When's the last time you heard "play like a Brown"? That came from Mike Pettine. When we speak of culture we are talking about a winning culture or a losing culture. Way to early to suggest the culture is changing. You got it backwards, wins must come before the culture changes. What you are describing are the ingredients you feel are needed to eventually change the culture, not that the culture is actually changing. Starting rookies has zero to do with a changing culture. The more you win, the more the culture starts to change. Wins are the only thing that matters, I don't care how many times Hue promises to take the browns to the Super Bowl. The issue isn't culture....its competency. Does a team have competent managers....the Browns haven't had that. A team needs competent talent evaluators....the Browns...obviously...have not had that. A team needs competent coaching...the Browns have not had that, who knows if they do now. A team needs quality players that play well. The Browns have not had enough talented players playing well. The few that they have had cannot make up for the all the bad ones. Culture means nothing, really. Competence means everything. Competence leads to winning. Culture is something you find in a test tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 So Boy Hue and the Culture Club it is! Then appropriately relocate to London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 So Boy Hue and the Culture Club it is! The appropriately relocate to London. Do you really want to hurt me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 There is absolutely no chance of Jimmy tearing this FO up, this is his last shot and he's all in. That is very clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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