hoorta Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about. And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/ As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead? You don't see Boddy with upside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Terrel Pryor at all costs. He is a great example and role model to a player like Josh Gordon. Both together would be an amazing to watch! Plus, a speedster like Coleman added to Gordon and Pryor would make it nearly impossible to stop. Pryor and Gordon go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly. Throw in Trent and you could have a free for all you fucking faggot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 As the article said- we're stuck with him this season. If you've read Walter football, his opinion is the Browns secondary is the worst in the league. It's not so much he's not worth what we're paying him, it's he's the best we've currently got. Or would you rather see Dead Boddy Calhoon get torched by other teams #1 WRs instead? I just don't want to see the Browns make another mistake giving Pryor #1 FA money. Use the non-exclusive franchise tag and see what suitors are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 And how's that working out? You couldn't get a team to give you a 4th round pick for the guy who's hitting your cap at $14.4, $14.4 & $10.5. Thank god we paid Haden for past work cause that is what the NFL business is all about. And don't take my word for it https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-5-worst-nfl-cornerback-contracts/ Well, let's see. The article in the link below indicates Cleveland has the most cap room in the NFL in an amount of $50.123 million. Understanding that, why should I panic we gave a young corner that was one of the most reliable tacklers in our defense the contract he deserved at the time? When he had better Safeties and a younger Corner opposite him - we saw what he could do in spite of a mediocre pass rush. What PFF probably doesn't consider is how crappy our run defense was the last 2 years while a pass rush has been MIA. Again, when we couldn't put a pass rush on John Elway - Dixon and Minnifield had some of their worst games. Now imagine if they had that same circumstance all season while they were also playing hurt - do we really need Pro Football Focus to tell us how that would handcuff their ability to succeed? Let's add the best edge rusher in this draft and some better help in the secondary via free agency and the draft before we race to conclusions about Haden. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-the-teams-with-the-most-money-to-burn-in-nfl-free-agency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I just don't want to see the Browns make another mistake giving Pryor #1 FA money. Use the non-exclusive franchise tag and see what suitors are out there. Believe it or not, I'm actually with you on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Well, let's see. The article in the link below indicates Cleveland has the most cap room in the NFL in an amount of $50.123 million. Understanding that, why should I panic we gave a young corner that was one of the most reliable tacklers in our defense the contract he deserved at the time? When he had better Safeties and a younger Corner opposite him - we saw what he could do in spite of a mediocre pass rush. What PFF probably doesn't consider is how crappy our run defense was the last 2 years while a pass rush has been MIA. Again, when we couldn't put a pass rush on John Elway - Dixon and Minnifield had some of their worst games. Now imagine if they had that same circumstance all season while they were also playing hurt - do we really need Pro Football Focus to tell us how that would handcuff their ability to succeed? Let's add the best edge rusher in this draft and some better help in the secondary via free agency and the draft before we race to conclusions about Haden. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-the-teams-with-the-most-money-to-burn-in-nfl-free-agency/ Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor. I think you're right that we'll probably have to pay worthwhile free agents more money. As for Haden, I think he'd be willing to restructure his contract if we ever got to being only 1 or 2 pieces away. Unfortunately, I don't think Rosenhaus would be nearly as willing to do that on behalf of Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I think you're right that we'll probably have to pay worthwhile free agents more money. As for Haden, I think he'd be willing to restructure his contract if we ever got to being only 1 or 2 pieces away. Unfortunately, I don't think Rosenhaus would be nearly as willing to do that on behalf of Pryor. Drew is a pain in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Completely agree on the transition tag or the non-exclusive franchise tag. I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go. If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Drew is a pain in the ass. He sure is. Do you remember when did he become Josh Gordon's agent? Was it before or after his Pro Bowl season? If he tells us how much we need Pryor we should remind him we had a Pro Bowl WR that hasn't had very good career advice from his agent. Therefore, we're hoping this client gets better advice like remembering who was his only team that wanted him to come play WR in the first place. Looks like we're the only team that stuck it's neck out for either of his clients to play WR here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go. If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time. Yeah the non-exclusive franchise tag would provide compensation and a team would have to deal knowing if the Browns don't match they are giving up picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 He sure is. Do you remember when did he become Josh Gordon's agent? Was it before or after his Pro Bowl season? If he tells us how much we need Pryor we should remind him we had a Pro Bowl WR that hasn't had very good career advice from his agent. Therefore, we're hoping this client gets better advice like remembering who was his only team that wanted him to come play WR in the first place. Looks like we're the only team that stuck it's neck out for either of his clients to play WR here. Not sure if he was there from the beginning just remember him running his mouth when Gordon was having issues. He seems like an enabler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 I don't know. I think the Franchise might be the way to go. If we transition him, he goes out and seeks a deal. If we end up matching it, we can't use the transition tag again until his contract is up. I am not so sure I would want to use that at this time. Our other Rosenhaus client hasn't been worth ball sweat since he made the Pro Bowl in 2013. And after Braylon Edwards worked his ass off to rehab his knee injury - he gave us 16 TD receptions to look like the 3rd overall pick we so desperately needed. Unfortunately, he never looked nearly as dialed in and focused while headlines about bar fights and a diva needing brighter lights bigger city started appearing. The worry about Pryor shouldn't be which tag we give him - it should be who he will be after he gets the dream contract. At Ohio State, he became an entitled brat that put the "I before team." I have mixed feeling about Pryor. While I LIKE many of the things I've seen during his audition for the bigger pay day (the only play maker in our WR Corps) - there's some red flags many of us don't want to acknowledge. For example, he's not a great route runner at all so we're restricted to straight ahead routes/drags or slants. I don't see a lot of good change of direction routes like a 7 or a 9. AND, it wasn't just our inexperienced QBs holding onto the ball forever - maybe he wasn't making good decisions/adjustments to various leverages where Paz, Erving or the QB usually got 100% of the credit for the QB eating the football. A WR that could only score 4 TDs doesn't equal the type of contracts much more complete WRs deserve. And like Bacon said, Drew Rosenhaus is a pain in the ass. When I think of his other client Josh Gordon the lyrics that come to mind are "You can look at the menu but you just can't eat..." I say we just give Pryor a very generous offer considering we were the only NFL franchise that gave the lad an audition stage in the first place. Without that CPR another Rosenhaus WR career has flat lined. If we lose him, we lose him. It's not like we won more than 1 football game last year. I'm sick of seeing entitled players around here since 99 acting like we can't do without them. And if someone wants to complain about how many WRs we drafted that didn't make a difference last year, we also drafted the 2 edge rushers that ranked #1 and #2 at sacking the QB in D-IA football leaving us needing Myles Garrett most today right? This FO looks like it has been making good decisions with trades that fleeced Pittsburgh and Carolina. They upgraded Ray Farmer's version of a Center as easily as a Washington Redskins Practice Squad player. They just added a Safety that played for Seattle (and Ohio State before that) who can upgrade what was here previously. Obviously, they will need to draft better than they did as rookies but what's to say some of their choices can't get better as their surroundings get better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Pryor and Gordon go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly. HA! Pryor and Gordon go together like a Pyromaniac and a box of matches or Johnny Manziel and alcohol. Something is going bye bye... This just in. It's 2017 and Gordon hasn't scored a TD since 2013... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Yeah the non-exclusive franchise tag would provide compensation and a team would have to deal knowing if the Browns don't match they are giving up picks. Which means no team is going to make an offer. TP on a big contract or two 1st-round picks? Not a tough choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Which means no team is going to make an offer. TP on a big contract or two 1st-round picks? Not a tough choice... So you get Pryor at the traditional franchise tag price and hopefully it sends a message that the market for him may not be as great as he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 HA! Pryor and Gordon go together like a Pyromaniac and a box of matches or Johnny Manziel and alcohol. Something is going bye bye... This just in. It's 2017 and Gordon hasn't scored a TD since 2013... That's ok Gordon will be awesome along with Richardson and Manziel. They are all going to come back and lead the Browns to the promised land. and then PG woke up all sticky.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 HA! Pryor and Gordon go together like a Pyromaniac and a box of matches or Johnny Manziel and alcohol. Something is going bye bye... This just in. It's 2017 and Gordon hasn't scored a TD since 2013... ....but that's only on the FIELD, Tom. NOT in the eyes of his loyal followers! How many more years of inactivity before he qualifies for the HOF? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Throw in Trent and you could have a free for all you fucking faggot.I see you haven't gotten any more intelligent since we used to spar.... Btw, I still feel bad for you man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Unfortunately I fear the Browns, due to poor record and history, are going to have to overpay established free agents. I think we all hope in the next 2 or 3 years the Browns might be one or two pieces away from really good and I'd hate to see a limited ability to bring in current talent because we are paying Haden & Pryor. Agreed it's good to be cautious- but we do have more cap room than anyone. I'm sure Rosenhaus will bring that up. OTOH the Steelers went all in with those huge contracts on their books with Bell, Brown, and Rothlisberger. ....but that's only on the FIELD, Tom. NOT in the eyes of his loyal followers! How many more years of inactivity before he qualifies for the HOF? Mike LOL, or Social Security? Whoops, you need 40 quarters to qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Where are we actually at with this now, deadline to tag him is today I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 IMO, The Committee doesn't like him...because he opens his mouth and criticizes them for getting the QB's killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 IMO, The Committee doesn't like him...because he opens his mouth and criticizes them for getting the QB's killed. They criticize him for being right? Letting the Schwartz go. Letting Mack go (they could have franchise tagged him Bito getting injured, the drafting of awful Cam Erving. Only the first two matters are on the hands of this FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 The "committee"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 The "committee"? Yes, I wondered about that....who is on this committee? Sachi, Berry, Hue....the DC/OC....other personell/scout people...and of course, ultimately, Jimmy Haslam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 So...if the Browns Franchise Tagged Pryor it would have to be for 15.6 mill per year. But, according to this, if they Transition tag him, it would still cost them 13.1 Mill per year. But other teams could sign him to an offer sheet that the Browns have the right to match. Would you Transition him for 13.1 mill? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/27/browns-still-dont-plan-to-tag-terrelle-pryor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Sashi saying today that if Pryor doesn't return they wont panic. FUCK THAT, are we EVER going to keep anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Why would we "panic"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.