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Even though I hate basketball it would be fun to have teo number 1 picks on the team. Maybe that would tempt South Beach asshole to bring is Cowboys cap back to Cleveland and possibly lure a serious coach to the Cavaliers.

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Cavs already have two number 1 overall picks on the team: Irving and Anthony Bennett. This would make the third one.

But sure....why not make it 4 if LeBron re-ups here.

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I think they go wiggins with outside chance they go embid HOWEVER i think 1st they will look for a blockbuster trade involveing the pick.

 

 

i agree the nba is fixed from the lottery to the calls in games to the colusion to build a few super teams. Ive said for a week i think the nba is bout to sing i think when sterling is forced to sell hes gonna expose the corruption that goes on in the nba

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I think they go wiggins with outside chance they go embid HOWEVER i think 1st they will look for a blockbuster trade involveing the pick.

 

I've already seen two columns on how the Cavs could trade the pick to get Lebron back.

 

NBA sucks expect for the playoffs but I do somewhat follow the NCAA. Embiid screams of a guy who 20 years later will be known as "the guy taken instead of'. Get Wiggins or Parker and call it a day, I think both of them are superstar level players.

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Fair enough.

 

Did you see the picture of Wiggins' max vert? The dude can jump out of the gym. JFF put on twitter that he liked Wiggins and wants him in Cleveland, too (not that that matters one bit).

 

If the Cavs can pull in a decent coach who knows how to develop young talent they have the opportunity to be a special team in 1-2 years.

Ive seen memes where hes blocking the big dunk in NBA Jam, and flying alongside superman haha
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Cavs already have two number 1 overall picks on the team: Irving and Anthony Bennett. This would make the third one.

But sure....why not make it 4 if LeBron re-ups here.

so were at these bad picks or what? Seems to me with two stars and 3 journeymen a-team in the NBA should at least be respectable. No? At least with three stars and LeBron that should add up to a title one would hope.

WSS

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HAHA! Could the Cavs really do that?!

 

I mean, yeah, in football if you really want a player on your team you trade for them or lock them in during Free Agency. HA! What if Cleveland brought back Lebron James on a trade. James wouldn't even have a say in the matter.

 

I now want this to happen. I so want Cleveland to trade it's #1 and some other shit to make Lebron come back.

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this^ is how sam bowie and greg oden happened. embiid already has back problems. take the superstar.

And Darco Milicic - drafted ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and, Kirk Hinrich... That would be the Cavs luck, take the foreign Center with health problems ahead of everybody (except Lebron) in one of the best drafts in NBA history...

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Worst managed team in pro sports. What a joke.

Gilbert is killing you guys with this do whatever it takes to get the 8th seed nonsense. At least you got a new GM and eventual new coach. Y'all should have the pick of the litter at this point. Well unless the Thunder finally kick Brooks to the curb.

 

Brooks would actually be great for you guys. He can build the shit out of a young team and is good on the defensive side. If you like iso offense you'll love him.

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so were at these bad picks or what? Seems to me with two stars and 3 journeymen a-team in the NBA should at least be respectable. No? At least with three stars and LeBron that should add up to a title one would hope.

WSS

They also had 2 other top 4 picks as well. Wiffed on all of them besides Irving. I still can't believe they didn't take Oladipo or Noel last year.

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Id prob go embid if wasnt injury concerns cause big men are harder to find but the health concerns would scare me away. I think wiggins will be a big time scorer

 

Parker i like buttheres rumors he has weight issues

The last thing you guys need is another #1 overall pick with weight issues.

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so were at these bad picks or what? Seems to me with two stars and 3 journeymen a-team in the NBA should at least be respectable. No? At least with three stars and LeBron that should add up to a title one would hope.

WSS

Well, Kyrie Irving seems to be a great player with great skills but little leadership ability nor the ability to carry/direct his team to enough wins. As the point guard he is the "general' of the team, the guy that controls the game. But winning does not seem to be in his DNA. The other pick, Anthony Bennett, is so far turning out to be a disaster. He has done little to nothing. Maybe he is just young and immature and will improve, or maybe not.

They also have 2 #4 overalls on this team. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters. Whatever talent they have seem to be embroiled in mush.

There is absolutely a lacking in chemistry going on there.

 

And note this: basketball has 5 starting players. And the Cavs could have 3 #1 overall draft picks and 2 #4 overall draft picks....in other words they have had their choice of the cream of the crop......and still suck.

 

Could you imagine if the Browns had 3 #1 overall draft picks and 2 #4 overall draft picks? You would expect them to be great. Yet that is a football team with 22 starting players (offense and defense).

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If Embiid's back checks out you take him 12 times out of 10. Can't pass on a potential superstar center. Also Varajao is getting older and has a team option they probably won't pick up. Embiid would fit in seamlessly. Plus Kyrie and Embiid pick and rolls? Yes please.

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Well, Kyrie Irving seems to be a great player with great skills but little leadership ability nor the ability to carry/direct his team to enough wins. As the point guard he is the "general' of the team, the guy that controls the game. But winning does not seem to be in his DNA. The other pick, Anthony Bennett, is so far turning out to be a disaster. He has done little to nothing. Maybe he is just young and immature and will improve, or maybe not.

They also have 2 #4 overalls on this team. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters. Whatever talent they have seem to be embroiled in mush.

There is absolutely a lacking in chemistry going on there.

 

And note this: basketball has 5 starting players. And the Cavs could have 3 #1 overall draft picks and 2 #4 overall draft picks....in other words they have had their choice of the cream of the crop......and still suck.

 

Could you imagine if the Browns had 3 #1 overall draft picks and 2 #4 overall draft picks? You would expect them to be great. Yet that is a football team with 22 starting players (offense and defense).

 

I disagree with your assessment of the Cavs players.

I'm not a big fan of Thompsons so I agree with you saying he is embrioled in much. Not with Waiters though, Waiters has shown alot of potential still and is a valuable young player. On Bennett I agree he has shown nothing and might end up being a bust, but not Irving. Irving has shown fabulous potential although being injury prone. To say he isn't a winner is unfair to put on a young player who was drafted to one of the worst teams in NBA history, after only a couple of years even with other decent young players its not really enough time to expect him to be winning without adding some veteran leadership and roleplayers and depth. Irving is one of the best young players in the league and one of the best assests to have. There are only 5-8 teams in the league that wouldn't trade their point guard straight up for Irving which is very impressive considering he is young and has battled injuries and the fact that its a golden era of point guards in the NBA with alot of depth at the position (the complete opposite of the Center position in the NBA). If the Cavs wanted to win last year they couldn't have asked for Irving to do more what they should have did was sign Al Jefferson (the Center who carried the Bobcats to the playoffs and was avaible) instead of Bynum.

 

The thing with the draft is it is different year to year. In some years, like last year, their isn't alot of top flight talent and number 1 isn't any more valuable than 6 or 7 would be in an average year. Other years, like the year Lebron was drafted or THIS year are different and their are a ton of players who could be top 10-20 players in the league who happen to be in the same class. This year there are guys like Marcus Smart who would be in the converstation for number one pick if it was last season or even the year Durant and Beasley were at the top. This year he is just another lottery guy because the top picks are so good. Embiid, Parker and Wiggins are all can't miss prospects and its a great year to draft no.1 because no matter which way you go you will be good. The Cavs can build a good team around Irving/Waiters/this years no.1 and a couple of good roleplayers even if they dont get another superstar, and if they do get one like Kevin Love or LeBron to come than watch out.

 

If Embiid's back checks out you take him 12 times out of 10. Can't pass on a potential superstar center. Also Varajao is getting older and has a team option they probably won't pick up. Embiid would fit in seamlessly. Plus Kyrie and Embiid pick and rolls? Yes please.

 

I disagree you dont take Patrick Ewing or Hakeem Olajawon or even Shaq over Michael Jordan or Lebron, especially not in a league this weak on Centers where you dont need one to contend. Al Jefferson was the best center in the league over the last 3 months of the season last year and was readily available as a free agent and went to a non contending team, the Bobcats. The year the Mavs won the title they had two journeymen centers in Chandler and Hayward that were available. Celtics had Perkins, OKC had Perkins, Miami has journeymen that change every year. Elite wing talent is the most important thing to building a championship team because thats what wins in the league now (for the most part, there are always exceptions). You can sign a good veteran center (another one that was available was NeNe who went to the Wizards) and they can make a big impact on pushing a team over the top if it has a couple superstars already.

 

I love the C position as much as anyone but unless its Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Walton a sure fire superstar future HOF than I'm not taking the C over an equally or arguably higher potential wing. Anthony Davis I may have took over Wiggins / Parker, but not Embiid, who is a very good prospect but far from a transcendent once in a generation talent like Shaq / Davis are.

 

If the Cavs take Embiid at 1 they will rue the day when Wiggins is the next generations Kobe and Parker is its Pierce. If I was in charge I would take Wiggins because he has the highest ceiling and is the best pure scorer which is the most imporant thing in the NBA. I would build around him and Irving and keep Waiters and sign a couple veteran Bigs and within a year or two it would be a top 4 team in the East, then if you can convince a LeBron to come home and team up and push them over the top perfect, if not hopefully Wiggins reaches his ceiling and becomes a Kobe type player and like I said you can sign a Jefferson or Love type to play the Gasol role.

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Also, left out in my previous post, on the criticism of Irving although PG is the general on the floor at all levels of basketball when you get to the talent level in the NBA along with the advent of the 24 second shot clock it is FAR from the most important position on the floor. If you disagree please tell me why Chris Paul has only been to one conference final and has 0 titles (same as Carmelo who is often criticized), why did it take Jason Kidd 15 years to win a title, why did John Stockton retire without a ring, why did Gary Payton have to go the ring chaser route and get one with Miami when Shaq was on the team and couldn't get one in his prime, when Deron Williams was in his prime and rivaling Chris Paul how come the Jazz couldn't get out of the 1st / 2nd round, why is Nash sitting without a ring. It's because PGs aren't what wins championships in the NBA, the last great point guard that was the best player on a championship team is Isiah Thomas with the Bad Boys. The teams that win have transcendent centers (Shaq, Hakeem) which I don't think Embiid has the potential to be, although I think he will be good not that level of good, OR more often they have great wing players (which Wiggins and Parker have the potential to be) like Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron, Wade, ect.

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I really like Griffin (thank God that Grant & Brown are gone!) and trust he'll do what's right, but a big man with stress fractures in his back before he even HITS the NBA is something I would like to see them avoid. I'd rather see Wiggins & retaining Hawes. Trading either Irving or Waiters almost seems a must, but we'll see.

 

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Pro basketball is so similar to pro wrestliing.

 

The refs turn their heads when the stars travel/use foreign objects, etc.

 

blah. Just can't get interested.

I agree. It is unwatchable

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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/24/joel-embiid-impresses-in-l-a-workout-emerges-as-consensus-no-1-pick/

 

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ryen-russillos-nba-draft-confidential-real-scouts-on-wiggins-randle-embiid-and-parker/

 

Looks like Embiid is shaping up to be the consensus top pick.

 

How do you guys feel about a Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones III, Reggie Jackson, the 21st, 28th and a future first rounder for the 1st pick? I'll throw in Steven Adams if necessary.

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I disagree with your assessment of the Cavs players.

I'm not a big fan of Thompsons so I agree with you saying he is embrioled in much. Not with Waiters though, Waiters has shown alot of potential still and is a valuable young player. On Bennett I agree he has shown nothing and might end up being a bust, but not Irving. Irving has shown fabulous potential although being injury prone. To say he isn't a winner is unfair to put on a young player who was drafted to one of the worst teams in NBA history, after only a couple of years even with other decent young players its not really enough time to expect him to be winning without adding some veteran leadership and roleplayers and depth. Irving is one of the best young players in the league and one of the best assests to have. There are only 5-8 teams in the league that wouldn't trade their point guard straight up for Irving which is very impressive considering he is young and has battled injuries and the fact that its a golden era of point guards in the NBA with alot of depth at the position (the complete opposite of the Center position in the NBA). If the Cavs wanted to win last year they couldn't have asked for Irving to do more what they should have did was sign Al Jefferson (the Center who carried the Bobcats to the playoffs and was avaible) instead of Bynum.

 

The thing with the draft is it is different year to year. In some years, like last year, their isn't alot of top flight talent and number 1 isn't any more valuable than 6 or 7 would be in an average year. Other years, like the year Lebron was drafted or THIS year are different and their are a ton of players who could be top 10-20 players in the league who happen to be in the same class. This year there are guys like Marcus Smart who would be in the converstation for number one pick if it was last season or even the year Durant and Beasley were at the top. This year he is just another lottery guy because the top picks are so good. Embiid, Parker and Wiggins are all can't miss prospects and its a great year to draft no.1 because no matter which way you go you will be good. The Cavs can build a good team around Irving/Waiters/this years no.1 and a couple of good roleplayers even if they dont get another superstar, and if they do get one like Kevin Love or LeBron to come than watch out.

 

 

I disagree you dont take Patrick Ewing or Hakeem Olajawon or even Shaq over Michael Jordan or Lebron, especially not in a league this weak on Centers where you dont need one to contend. Al Jefferson was the best center in the league over the last 3 months of the season last year and was readily available as a free agent and went to a non contending team, the Bobcats. The year the Mavs won the title they had two journeymen centers in Chandler and Hayward that were available. Celtics had Perkins, OKC had Perkins, Miami has journeymen that change every year. Elite wing talent is the most important thing to building a championship team because thats what wins in the league now (for the most part, there are always exceptions). You can sign a good veteran center (another one that was available was NeNe who went to the Wizards) and they can make a big impact on pushing a team over the top if it has a couple superstars already.

 

I love the C position as much as anyone but unless its Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Walton a sure fire superstar future HOF than I'm not taking the C over an equally or arguably higher potential wing. Anthony Davis I may have took over Wiggins / Parker, but not Embiid, who is a very good prospect but far from a transcendent once in a generation talent like Shaq / Davis are.

 

If the Cavs take Embiid at 1 they will rue the day when Wiggins is the next generations Kobe and Parker is its Pierce. If I was in charge I would take Wiggins because he has the highest ceiling and is the best pure scorer which is the most imporant thing in the NBA. I would build around him and Irving and keep Waiters and sign a couple veteran Bigs and within a year or two it would be a top 4 team in the East, then if you can convince a LeBron to come home and team up and push them over the top perfect, if not hopefully Wiggins reaches his ceiling and becomes a Kobe type player and like I said you can sign a Jefferson or Love type to play the Gasol role.

I, personally, disagree with your sentiment on Waiters. I don't believe he can truly coexist with Irving as they both need the ball in their hands. At this point I view Waiters as a sixth man who can be the top dog in bench units.

 

The reason Jefferson was readily available last off season is because he is a defensive liability, a trait that is often a death keel for a center. His redeeming trait is he is a mistro on the block. The reason the Bobcats/Hornets succeed this year was due to the coach's ability to hide Jefferson on D and use him as a stabilizing presence on offense. The thing all the centers you named have in common is their rim protection and ability to play post defense, two traits Jefferson lacks.

 

The reason you take Embiid over Wiggins and Parker is for the defense and rim protection he provides. I'm a Thunder fan and if you've been watching this series against the Spurs you should notice how much we need Ibaka. Everyone is starting to see why we signed him over Harden a few years back. As far as the Cavs go, you already have an offensive dynamo in Irving, and a spark plug off the bench in Waiters (in my opinion at least) However you lack the defensive backbone needed to succeed in the NBA.

 

Parker is the best pure scorer of the top three while Wiggins is the rawest talent which is saying a lot considering Embiid has only been playing ball for 4 years. I also disagree with your assessment that wing players are needed to win in the NBA. Winning in the NBA, over any other league, is dependent on mismatches. We're in a golden age of PG's, have an abundance of dominant SF's, and a lack of centers. If I'm a GM, I'm looking for a legit all around center, especially in the east. The Heat are the kings of the east and their biggest weaknesses are PG and C. You already have the PG, pick up the C, get a defensively competent SF (such as Deng) and you have a shot.

 

I mean look at the Pacers, a tall, athletic team with the biggest center in the game (Hibbert) a defensive stopper at SF (George) a big, physical veteran at PF (West) and a defensive, scoring guard (Stephenson.) The only thing they truly lack is a legit offensive presence. You put Irving on that team, they win the east last year and this year.

 

The bottom line is, you always take the franchise center. Embiid's only downside is the potential for injury, a risk every player and prospect have to deal with. Wiggins had the ability but lacks the polish while Parker has the polish but isn't an elite athlete. Frankly if the Cavs are set on taking either Wiggins or Parker, they'd be better off trading down with the Sixers for the 3rd and 10th pick (if they were interested.) They'd be assured either Parker or Wiggins and they can use the 10th pick on a Stakkus (sp) or possibly Smart to solidify the SG spot, depending on whether they are looking for shooting (Stakkus) or defense (Smart.) Or they can take another PF.

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The Sixers "won't" take Joel Embiid if he's available with the third pick, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.



The reasoning here is due to his ailing back, which is a massive red flag for the big man. Although, he was spectacular in workouts last week and many draft pundits have proclaimed he's the best prospect in this year's class. If he does fall out of the top three, it would be a surprise.



seems some teams still are afraid of his back issues

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