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Pope goes after our 2nd Amendment - no wonder Obamao is making a show

calfoxwc

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DieHardBrownsFan Rookie

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I agree. I've read before he became a priest he was a bouncer or something. Anti-Christ meet demon. Wonder what they are plotting?

 

 

Pope Francis (Latin: Franciscus; Italian: Francesco; born Jorge Mario Bergoglio,[b] 17 December 1936) is the 266th and current Pope of the Catholic Church, a title he holds ex officio as Bishop of Rome, and Sovereign of theVatican City.

Born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Bergoglio worked briefly as a chemical technician and nightclub bouncer[2] before beginning seminary studies. He was ordained a Catholic priest in 1969 and from 1973 to 1979 was Argentina'sprovincial superior of the Society of Jesus. He was accused of handing two priests to the National Reorganization Process during the Dirty War, but the lawsuit was ultimately dismissed. He became the Archbishop of Buenos Airesin 1998 and was created a cardinal in 2001 by Pope John Paul II. He led the Argentine Church during the December 2001 riots in Argentina, and the administrations of Néstor Kirchner and Cristina Fernández de Kirchnerconsidered him a political rival. Following the resignation of Pope Benedict XVIon 28 February 2013, a papal conclave elected Bergoglio as his successor on 13 March. He chose Francis as his papal name in honor of Saint Francis of Assisi. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first from the Southern Hemisphere and the first non-European pope since the SyrianGregory III in 741.

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oh he's a demon now huh? Cause he was a bouncer? wut? All that means is the dude would rather throw hands than use a gun which is the tool of cowards. It is, don't play around with that. I get it, in this world you don't have a choice anymore. But "men" were supposed to fight with their bare hands. The weaponization of ranged tools were invented by cowards who couldn't one on one with the great one. Real talk. I don't agree with him meddling in our affairs though, but demon? Fuck sake you guys have had your brain chem permanently altered by something bad here.

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oh wait, actually if you read the article he didn't say that here. And this could be taken out of context. Critisizing gun manufacturers whose entire business models are predicated on getting as many guns as possible into as many people's hands as possible fuck if they're assholes or not....that's spot on. They are complicit in the proliferation of firearms into the hands of the very people you guys are constantly ranting about.

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This Pope should be upset about the horrible evil selling of baby parts that Planned Parenthood has been doing. Why isn't he????

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I think he sold his soul to the devil, to explain that. He's like Obamao - all in on the third world, and everything else

in the world can die, one way, or another.

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and wasn't the last guy the "anti Christ"? Some people are really lost in the mind. In any case, i'm not fan of the catholic church period...but it still obnoxious that one guy finally strikes a conciliatory non fire and brimstone tone, and he's the anti Christ. One pope finally realizes how irrelevant chrisitianity is becoming in the upper scale 1st world cultures, where people are more edumacated, but if he don't spew the same 12 Hebrew tribes bullshit like a good little pontiff he's labeled a demon? lols

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But let's recap here, I was raised catholic...so I know the Pope is placed between Catholics and god. THe pope is the living word of god on this planet. Ok, I smelled BS on that by the time I was 5....srsly...but I digress. So over the years when popes say things we may or may not like to hear, we're told basically to suck it. He's the word of god so pre stretch it if you have to, but you will take it with a smile bitch. So now that a pope is saying "hey kids, you know that part in the OT about how we can do fuck all we want to this planet and we're golden cause sky wizard said so..?"" haha, funny story y'all gonna like this....but that was complete horseshit. Top to bottom yessir. We slid that one right down the ole gullet for a while. Problem is we've done some fucked up shit over the decades and we might need to check that......oh wait now, now he's "troubling"? Now he's the "anti Christ"?.

 

So final recap, as long as some dude is stroking y'all overgrown bloviating ego's, you're all right with him. But the "instant" he starts saying stuff like maybe we can be cool with homo's and just let em be or maybe not every marriage that gets conducted in a church is necessarily sanctified by god and maybe we shouldn't treat divorcees like adulterers in need of good Isis style stoning....that guys "demon"?

 

Some of you are way more fucked than I ever imagined.

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I like Frances. I think he's a compassionate pope and that's fitting for a pope. He won't be leading anyone into battle and so I don't give a crap what he says about guns. And since I'm not a christian I don't really care if he says I can't be a christian because I never believed in the divinity of christ in the first place.

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probably a snippet of truth to it in terms of the social justice thing. Of course they're gonna run all over it like it's 4th and 1.

 

They are both too much socialists for me. Socialism is a failure wherever it has been tried. With all of it's faults capitialism has provided the best standard of living for people. Margaret Thatcher was right when she said the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Good thing Jesus never did anything remotely socialist...

 

The early church had a form of socialism where the wealth was spread around with those who had more giving to churches that had less. That system worked in the early church but it does not work in the world. Socialism has failed whereever it is tried. If you want the highest standard of living it is capitalism that produces it not socialism.

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The early church had a form of socialism where the wealth was spread around with those who had more giving to churches that had less. That system worked in the early church but it does not work in the world. Socialism has failed whereever it is tried. If you want the highest standard of living it is capitalism that produces it not socialism.

Well, I'm not certain that's necessarily the case. I mean, it depends on your benchmark, and there are plenty of 'happiness' studies out there - you know the ones, it's all "britons are the LEAST happy in the world!" or "Swedes are the happiest europeans" etc. - and they tend to have roughly similar results. So I picked one at random:

 

http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

 

Top 5 countries:

Switzerland
Denmark
Germany
Finland
Sweden
Then have a little google for welfare spending (as percentage of GDP) per country, and you get things like this:
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The top five countries for happiness are also in the top 10 for welfare spending. I'm not sure you'd call them all out socialist states, for sure - the EU is a pretty capitalist place and there's zero import/export tax, freedom of movement, plenty of things that you'd call capitalist. That being said, there does seem to be some correlation between welfare spending and quality of life (which is a pretty good benchmark for 'standard of living' no?).

 

One thing to make clear - these countries don't tend to be just giving out large sums of money to unemployed people to stay unemployed - france does that, and they're way down the quality of life list - rather, they spend it on things like education and healthcare.

 

For example, natives of those top five countries have to pay nothing for university education - apart from germany where it's €1500 per year. For state colleges in the US, it's what, $10k per year?

 

 

Please don't think this is me saying the UK is great, btw. I was 'lucky' in that my tuition fees were only £1k per year, and by the time I was done I "only" had about £12k in loans. These days, tuition costs up to £9k, and kids coming out of university will have debts of about £40k.

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But yes, those countries see it as a no brainer - invest in youth education, then those people will be better qualified to get jobs in the future, will need less welfare, and will contribute more taxes. Unfortunately the UK and US seem to see that as people sponging off of the state.

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I think the problem here ( can't speak for the UK) is that the management of the money is garbage. Micromanagement in the private sector spells certain doom regardless of the industry, but in the instance of welfare (in its current form in the US) there is an additional level of political micromanagement that just tombstones programs from being effectively run.

 

The only way to change this by political seppuku so, naturally, it isn't going to happen. Some entity will have to fall on the political grenade of saying "we will no longer support laziness/mediocrity," and begin investing that capital into education/healthcare. The kicker is to keep the government out of the way (tough to swallow if they're footing the bill - or a portion of it). The answer is not single payer. It never was, nor will be. That's just changing money from a mismanaged disaster of a right pocket (insurance companies) to a mismanaged disaster of a left pocket (federal government).

 

The financial relationship needs to mirror the doctor patient relationship. That transaction is between the patient & the doc. Fee for service. The gov't and or businesses can "invest" in individuals health care with financial support. There are studies examining health care costs that can be used to determine a non-arbitrary amount of money given to each individual per year for routine medical/dental/vision care. You can obviously use that $$ for routine care and/or invest that money(save) for larger procedures, or apply for additional assistance (what insurance should actually be used for) in the event of a serious illness (or if your concerned your family history makes you more inclined to develop a certain illness. This is the only step in which the govt should have some regulatory power. e.g. Premium 1 guarantees payout of $xxx after 5 years. $xxxx after 10 and so forth. Premium 2 guarantees $xxxx after 5, $xxxxxx after 10... you get the picture. Reimbursement for and or budgeting (from govt) Emergency care can be applied for annually by each hospital. No need to use E.Ds for the sniffles anymore. You get money for that. Fees for the care of the sniffles are double or triple in EDs.

 

Do this with our education too. Let individuals choose. Not Insurance companies. Not federal governments.

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The pope doesn't have political views he has biblical ones.

 

Calling him a demon is a bit extreme, he's actually moving the Catholic church forward on things like gay marriage. He's serving lunch to homeless at a church instead of eating at the white house.

 

I like him, doesn't mean you always like what he says.

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