Westside Steve Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Ok. I think I'll go rape somebody burn down a village and machine gun some school kids because one of my Prussian ancestors had a beef with Frederick the fucking great. (or because the cro-magnons killed the Neanderthals) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Ok. I think I'll go rape somebody burn down a village and machine gun some school kids because one of my Prussian ancestors had a beef with Frederick the fucking great. (or because the cro-magnons killed the Neanderthals) WSS Like I said, killing for religious reasons is DUMB. Be it now or centuries ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 What's the difference he says. The difference is one is lost to antiquity and the other is currently making internet videos of beheadings and atrocities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yeah, one group of gents lived in a time where nearly everyone was illiterate. The other group is living in a time where they can use cell phones and watch youtube videos but still choose to act like the guys who didn't have electricity and thought witches were real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 What's the difference he says. The difference is one is lost to antiquity and the other is currently making internet videos of beheadings and atrocities That doesn't make either group any worse. Just because something happened and you didn't see it, doesn't diminish what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 that's a waste of bacon, right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Someone needs to work on their diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just to address the original point, I guess, isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of? Or at least as close? Rich man entering heaven vs camel and the eye of a needle? All that crap? (not that I think this board is populated by devout Christians but still...) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just to address the original point, I guess, isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of? Or at least as close? Rich man entering heaven vs camel and the eye of a needle? All that crap? (not that I think this board is populated by devout Christians but still...) WSS Isn't Obama a communist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Isn't Obama a communist? Actually he's an empty suit who makes vague promises of socialism to consolidate power for his party, the members of which arent required to participate. Why do you ask? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Secretly, perhaps. And Obamao admits to "Muslim religion"..... Meanwhile, a new term for "isil", is being adapted for use to designate them as NON MUSLIM. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daesh-adopted-as-new-name-for-isis-by-u-s-france-1.2861108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Actually he's an empty suit who makes vague promises of socialism to consolidate power for his party, the members of which arent required to participate. Why do you ask? WSS The reason I ask is, you asked "isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of?" And some people on here would say Obama is closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 The reason I ask is, you asked "isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of?" And some people on here would say Obama is closer My mistake. I thought you were talking to me. But socialism, populism and communism are all good recruiting tools. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 The reason I ask is, you asked "isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of?" And some people on here would say Obama is closer Explain yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Explain yourself I think he got into the loco weed. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Look I think all of you realize I'm almost the most tolerant guy on the board as far as Islam goes. Still I think it's embarrassing to reach so far as to try to balance the scales Of modern day terrorism and barbarism by going back to the Crusades. Just like bringing up abortion clinic bombings by Christians. How many people have been killed in abortion clinics? I mean adults. WSS Thank you...tired of rolling my eyeballs at all the idiotic "well the Christians did bad stuff too" posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Secretly, perhaps. And Obamao admits to "Muslim religion"..... Meanwhile, a new term for "isil", is being adapted for use to designate them as NON MUSLIM. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daesh-adopted-as-new-name-for-isis-by-u-s-france-1.2861108 Daesh is what everyone in Egypt was calling ISIL when I was there. Interesting to see the Arabic term for them, which is meant to degrade them, being used By Western countries. I consider that a small but positive step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Daesh is what everyone in Egypt was calling ISIL when I was there. Interesting to see the Arabic term for them, which is meant to degrade them, being used By Western countries. I consider that a small but positive step. The french have been using it for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Look I think all of you realize I'm almost the most tolerant guy on the board as far as Islam goes. Still I think it's embarrassing to reach so far as to try to balance the scales Of modern day terrorism and barbarism by going back to the Crusades. Just like bringing up abortion clinic bombings by Christians. How many people have been killed in abortion clinics? I mean adults. WSS My fault, was trying to make a point that the Western countries had moved away from that type of violence(that cal had posted) by separating church and state, moving away from theocracies and monarchies, but it seems the crusades part of the argument was the only thing that stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 My fault, was trying to make a point that the Western countries had moved away from that type of violence(that cal had posted) by separating church and state, moving away from theocracies and monarchies, but it seems the crusades part of the argument was the only thing that stuck. I think you are mistaken about that. We moved away because more Westerners have come further down the path toward civilization. Normal people just don't do that shit anymore. You don't really find a lot of that shit among civilized, literate and prosperous people no matter what the religion or lack of. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think you are mistaken about that. We moved away because more Westerners have come further down the path toward civilization. Normal people just don't do that shit anymore. You don't really find a lot of that shit among civilized, literate and prosperous people no matter what the religion or lack of. WSS I would argue that by moving away from religion, and being more open to other religions\ideas we have become more civilized. But your argument is quite valid a lot of the regions with the most conflict have a lot of tribal groups and more barbaric laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Isn't it the problem that the Koran has religious and political emphasis, and maybe the dirtbag terrorists are those that use the religious part to win the political side? And that no other religion on earth is doing this group terrorism because all the other religions are just religions? That the Koran is being used as a dominant force politically, by hook or by crook? Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Isn't it the problem that the Koran has religious and political emphasis, and maybe the dirtbag terrorists are those that use the religious part to win the political side? And that no other religion on earth is doing this group terrorism because all the other religions are just religions? That the Koran is being used as a dominant force politically, by hook or by crook? Or something like that. The Bible could be used in the same way(and through history has been). Its less what the Holy Books say and more on who is trying to preach, and what they are trying to attempt. Someone calling for violence would use: Matthew 5:38-39 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Deuteronomy 32:42 - I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders." While someone calling for peace: Matthew 5:39 - But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also Psalm 29:11 - The LORD gives strength to his people; the LORD blesses his people with peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Of course I know that. Stephen was stoned in the Bible. Mathew is in the NEW TESTAMENT, and Deuteronomy and Psalms are in the OLD. The New Testament supercedes the Old Testament, via Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, since none of us can be saved through works, and trying to completely adhere to the laws, which would be quite impossible. But the point is, there are zero groups on earth, that use the Bible to mass murder, commit crimes against humanity, force thousands and thousands to become Muslims, or be tortured to death and die by beheading. Which would be possible, taking parts of the old... but it is the Koran that is being warped into terrorist groups all over the world. THAT is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadbrownsfan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Of course I know that. Stephen was stoned in the Bible. Mathew is in the NEW TESTAMENT, and Deuteronomy and Psalms are in the OLD. The New Testament supercedes the Old Testament, via Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, since none of us can be saved through works, and trying to completely adhere to the laws, which would be quite impossible. But the point is, there are zero groups on earth, that use the Bible to mass murder, commit crimes against humanity, force thousands and thousands to become Muslims, or be tortured to death and die by beheading. Which would be possible, taking parts of the old... but it is the Koran that is being warped into terrorist groups all over the world. THAT is the question. 0? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/nagaland/terrorist_outfits/nscn_im.htm http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/03/186734.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I would argue that by moving away from religion, and being more open to other religions\ideas we have become more civilized. But your argument is quite valid a lot of the regions with the most conflict have a lot of tribal groups and more barbaric laws. And I would say that with education and prosperity people have less need of fundamental religion. I think for the civilized people religion becomes more a set of guidelines (and familiar traditions to make one feel rooted) than a life or death system. Chicken? Egg? Much like having children. If you are successful and happy odds are you don't need to have children to make your life seem worthwhile. In general of course. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 And I would say that with education and prosperity people have less need of fundamental religion. I think for the civilized people religion becomes more a set of guidelines (and familiar traditions to make one feel rooted) than a life or death system. Chicken? Egg? Much like having children. If you are successful and happy odds are you don't need to have children to make your life seem worthwhile. In general of course. WSS I don't think there's much chicken/egg here. As religion is less allowed to interfere in government, people are able to break away from it freely. Of course, a civilised person in an uncivilised place with religious government would not put much stock in the religious overlords, but it starts the other way, IMO. Like the USA, founded generally by religious guys, but with separation of church and state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 So the Old Testament is generally ignored, correct? While the New Testament is the "legit" one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 And I would say that with education and prosperity people have less need of fundamental religion. I think for the civilized people religion becomes more a set of guidelines (and familiar traditions to make one feel rooted) than a life or death system. Chicken? Egg? Much like having children. If you are successful and happy odds are you don't need to have children to make your life seem worthwhile. In general of course. WSS As for children it's not a matter of making your life worthwhile. If you never have them you don't know whether you would have been happier with them or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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