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5 prominent authors discuss parallels with communism...and Islam

calfoxwc

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Browns149 Mentor

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Ok. I think I'll go rape somebody burn down a village and machine gun some school kids because one of my Prussian ancestors had a beef with Frederick the fucking great.

 

(or because the cro-magnons killed the Neanderthals)

 

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Like I said, killing for religious reasons is DUMB. Be it now or centuries ago

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What's the difference he says. The difference is one is lost to antiquity and the other is currently making internet videos of beheadings and atrocities

That doesn't make either group any worse. Just because something happened and you didn't see it, doesn't diminish what happened

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Just to address the original point, I guess, isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of? Or at least as close? Rich man entering heaven vs camel and the eye of a needle? All that crap?

 

(not that I think this board is populated by devout Christians but still...)

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Just to address the original point, I guess, isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of? Or at least as close? Rich man entering heaven vs camel and the eye of a needle? All that crap?

 

(not that I think this board is populated by devout Christians but still...)

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Isn't Obama a communist?
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Secretly, perhaps. And Obamao admits to "Muslim religion".....

 

Meanwhile, a new term for "isil", is being adapted for use to designate

them as NON MUSLIM.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daesh-adopted-as-new-name-for-isis-by-u-s-france-1.2861108

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Actually he's an empty suit who makes vague promises of socialism to consolidate power for his party, the members of which arent required to participate. Why do you ask?

 

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The reason I ask is, you asked "isn't the basis of Christianity a lot closer to communism than anything you can think of?"

 

And some people on here would say Obama is closer

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Look I think all of you realize I'm almost the most tolerant guy on the board as far as Islam goes.

Still I think it's embarrassing to reach so far as to try to balance the scales Of modern day terrorism and barbarism by going back to the Crusades.

Just like bringing up abortion clinic bombings by Christians. How many people have been killed in abortion clinics? I mean adults.

 

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Thank you...tired of rolling my eyeballs at all the idiotic "well the Christians did bad stuff too" posts.

 

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Secretly, perhaps. And Obamao admits to "Muslim religion".....

 

Meanwhile, a new term for "isil", is being adapted for use to designate

them as NON MUSLIM.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/daesh-adopted-as-new-name-for-isis-by-u-s-france-1.2861108

Daesh is what everyone in Egypt was calling ISIL when I was there. Interesting to see the Arabic term for them, which is meant to degrade them, being used By Western countries. I consider that a small but positive step.

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Daesh is what everyone in Egypt was calling ISIL when I was there. Interesting to see the Arabic term for them, which is meant to degrade them, being used By Western countries. I consider that a small but positive step.

The french have been using it for a while now.

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Look I think all of you realize I'm almost the most tolerant guy on the board as far as Islam goes.

Still I think it's embarrassing to reach so far as to try to balance the scales Of modern day terrorism and barbarism by going back to the Crusades.

Just like bringing up abortion clinic bombings by Christians. How many people have been killed in abortion clinics? I mean adults.

 

WSS

 

My fault, was trying to make a point that the Western countries had moved away from that type of violence(that cal had posted) by separating church and state, moving away from theocracies and monarchies, but it seems the crusades part of the argument was the only thing that stuck.

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My fault, was trying to make a point that the Western countries had moved away from that type of violence(that cal had posted) by separating church and state, moving away from theocracies and monarchies, but it seems the crusades part of the argument was the only thing that stuck.

I think you are mistaken about that. We moved away because more Westerners have come further down the path toward civilization. Normal people just don't do that shit anymore. You don't really find a lot of that shit among civilized, literate and prosperous people no matter what the religion or lack of.

 

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I think you are mistaken about that. We moved away because more Westerners have come further down the path toward civilization. Normal people just don't do that shit anymore. You don't really find a lot of that shit among civilized, literate and prosperous people no matter what the religion or lack of.

 

WSS

 

I would argue that by moving away from religion, and being more open to other religions\ideas we have become more civilized. But your argument is quite valid a lot of the regions with the most conflict have a lot of tribal groups and more barbaric laws.

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Isn't it the problem that the Koran has religious and political emphasis,

and maybe the dirtbag terrorists are those that use the religious part to

win the political side? And that no other religion on earth is doing this

group terrorism because all the other religions are just religions?

 

That the Koran is being used as a dominant force politically, by hook or by crook?

 

Or something like that.

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Isn't it the problem that the Koran has religious and political emphasis,

and maybe the dirtbag terrorists are those that use the religious part to

win the political side? And that no other religion on earth is doing this

group terrorism because all the other religions are just religions?

 

That the Koran is being used as a dominant force politically, by hook or by crook?

 

Or something like that.

 

 

The Bible could be used in the same way(and through history has been). Its less what the Holy Books say and more on who is trying to preach, and what they are trying to attempt.

 

Someone calling for violence would use:

 

Matthew 5:38-39 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Deuteronomy 32:42 - I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders."

 

While someone calling for peace:

Matthew 5:39 - But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also

Psalm 29:11 - The LORD gives strength to his people; the LORD blesses his people with peace.
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Of course I know that. Stephen was stoned in the Bible. Mathew is in the NEW TESTAMENT, and

Deuteronomy and Psalms are in the OLD. The New Testament supercedes the Old Testament,

via Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, since none of us can be saved through works,

and trying to completely adhere to the laws, which would be quite impossible.

 

But the point is, there are zero groups on earth, that use the

Bible to mass murder, commit crimes against humanity,

force thousands and thousands to become Muslims, or be

tortured to death and die by beheading. Which would be possible, taking

parts of the old...

 

but it is the Koran that is being warped into terrorist groups all over the world.

 

THAT is the question.

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Of course I know that. Stephen was stoned in the Bible. Mathew is in the NEW TESTAMENT, and

Deuteronomy and Psalms are in the OLD. The New Testament supercedes the Old Testament,

via Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, since none of us can be saved through works,

and trying to completely adhere to the laws, which would be quite impossible.

 

But the point is, there are zero groups on earth, that use the

Bible to mass murder, commit crimes against humanity,

force thousands and thousands to become Muslims, or be

tortured to death and die by beheading. Which would be possible, taking

parts of the old...

 

but it is the Koran that is being warped into terrorist groups all over the world.

 

THAT is the question.

 

0?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura

 

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/nagaland/terrorist_outfits/nscn_im.htm

 

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/03/186734.htm

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I would argue that by moving away from religion, and being more open to other religions\ideas we have become more civilized. But your argument is quite valid a lot of the regions with the most conflict have a lot of tribal groups and more barbaric laws.

And I would say that with education and prosperity people have less need of fundamental religion. I think for the civilized people religion becomes more a set of guidelines (and familiar traditions to make one feel rooted) than a life or death system. Chicken? Egg? Much like having children. If you are successful and happy odds are you don't need to have children to make your life seem worthwhile.

In general of course.

 

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And I would say that with education and prosperity people have less need of fundamental religion. I think for the civilized people religion becomes more a set of guidelines (and familiar traditions to make one feel rooted) than a life or death system. Chicken? Egg? Much like having children. If you are successful and happy odds are you don't need to have children to make your life seem worthwhile.

In general of course.

 

WSS

I don't think there's much chicken/egg here. As religion is less allowed to interfere in government, people are able to break away from it freely. Of course, a civilised person in an uncivilised place with religious government would not put much stock in the religious overlords, but it starts the other way, IMO. Like the USA, founded generally by religious guys, but with separation of church and state.

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And I would say that with education and prosperity people have less need of fundamental religion. I think for the civilized people religion becomes more a set of guidelines (and familiar traditions to make one feel rooted) than a life or death system. Chicken? Egg? Much like having children. If you are successful and happy odds are you don't need to have children to make your life seem worthwhile.

In general of course.

 

WSS

As for children it's not a matter of making your life worthwhile. If you never have them you don't know whether you would have been happier with them or not

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