calfoxwc Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 It was only a matter of time... this could be war. which, russia will go for, while we have this coward as president in our WH. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-19/ukraine-says-russian-troops-cross-border-near-battle-for-airport.html?cmpid=yhoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 So do you think we should get into a conflict with Russia over the Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Us? Directly? No. But it shows that the UN is hopeless, worthless, and a waste of our time and money. Nato should be there, though, because once Nato idly stands by, and at least doesn't have a presence on the back lines in the Ukraine... it will be a next move for russia to go after other countries who ARE part of NATO. Note - Russia passed a new law, that expedites "new territories" to become an official part of russia's borders. Also note: Of course, russia was never going to just stop with Crimea. Crimea was just the easiert move to make first. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/russia-crimea-white-house http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1006089-world-war-3-poland-and-baltic-states-fear-russian-invasian-as-pro-russian-rebels-fight-ukraine-forces-in-donetsk/ http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-06/u-s-fighters-circle-baltics-as-putin-fans-fear-of-russia.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Russia will take low hanging fruit. They don't want a real fight. They will play around and see how NATO responds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I don't know. I remember watching the invasion of Czechoslovakia. The russians will not stop at the Ukraine. No country over there believes that. rsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia - Wikipedia, the free ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia Cached ... the Russian government gave the new Czechoslovak President, ... The Prague Spring and the Warsaw Pact Invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 (Lexington Books, ... Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1968 - 1961–1968 ... history.state.gov › Milestones › 1961–1968 Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1968. On August 20, 1968, the Soviet Union led Warsaw Pact troops in an invasion of Czechoslovakia to crack down on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 You truly think the conditions globally are exactly how they were in the 1960s? Russia is a husk of what they were. They will make a lot of noise and not start a fight with anyone who would put up a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 If Russia starts a real war, the first thing to happen will be them leaving the UNSC, and the second will be the UNSC voting on declaring war on Russia - US, UK, China, all bearing down on them? I don't think it ends well for Putin, who then becomes a war criminal and is subsequently "bin Ladened." I hope it won't come to it, and I'm sure it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 No, russia is a permanent member, as is our U.S. and China. And the UN is helpless - as a permanent member, russia has veto power. But the UN is useless, and corrupt, and worthless anyways. And russia has maneuvered themselves to be the EU supplier of oil. That's what the baltic war was about. They wanted to take out that pipeline that could have circumvented their pipeline to Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_members_of_the_United_Nations_Security_Council Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You truly think the conditions globally are exactly how they were in the 1960s? Russia is a husk of what they were. They will make a lot of noise and not start a fight with anyone who would put up a fight. Logic ******************************************************* Hey, that's dumb - a straw man argument - eh? I never implied the Soviet Union was the same as present day russia. And of course, conditions are very different. Now, Russia wants that power back. That is the point. And their military advances are light years ahead of where they used to be. They've spent so much of their oil money on offensive military might, because they knew one day, they were going to go take back the power and "ownership" of countries that they used to have. Putin has long rued the day the soviet union fell apart. War is ready to break out against Israel, because obamao is a weak ass coward as far as foreign affairs go, and the russians will go for broke to advance their power and control as much as they can, before this dirtbag coward leaves our WH. Between the M.E. and russian moves, we are headed for big, serious trouble. It's a lot closer than it used to be. Less than a year away, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 No, russia is a permanent member, as is our U.S. and China. And the UN is helpless - as a permanent member, russia has veto power. But the UN is useless, and corrupt, and worthless anyways. And russia has maneuvered themselves to be the EU supplier of oil. That's what the baltic war was about. They wanted to take out that pipeline that could have circumvented their pipeline to Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_members_of_the_United_Nations_Security_Council I don't know that they would get to vote on the matter of removing them from the council? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Interesting ... here are some opinions on the matter. But I think it is impossible that the entire UN would vote to kick the russians out of the UN... http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-161004.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Getting worse. Russia starts going for broke. http://news.yahoo.com/deadly-clashes-rock-ukraine-ahead-high-stakes-peace-130522065.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Interesting ... here are some opinions on the matter. But I think it is impossible that the entire UN would vote to kick the russians out of the UN... http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-161004.html If they were to invade europe and start WW3? Don't think that vote would take much time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You truly think the conditions globally are exactly how they were in the 1960s? Russia is a husk of what they were. They will make a lot of noise and not start a fight with anyone who would put up a fight. Logic ******************************************************* Hey, that's dumb - a straw man argument - eh? I never implied the Soviet Union was the same as present day russia. And of course, conditions are very different. Now, Russia wants that power back. That is the point. And their military advances are light years ahead of where they used to be. They've spent so much of their oil money on offensive military might, because they knew one day, they were going to go take back the power and "ownership" of countries that they used to have. Putin has long rued the day the soviet union fell apart. War is ready to break out against Israel, because obamao is a weak ass coward as far as foreign affairs go, and the russians will go for broke to advance their power and control as much as they can, before this dirtbag coward leaves our WH. Between the M.E. and russian moves, we are headed for big, serious trouble. It's a lot closer than it used to be. Less than a year away, maybe. Their military tech is garbage compared to the European big boys (UK, Germany, France). They have numbers and that is it. I think this will end up in the garbage can with your "big serious trouble" fears of ebola. Putin needs people to be afraid of him. He is a paper tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 But I'm sure I never said that about ebola....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 You were shitting the bed over ebola haha. Or at least just acting like you were because Obama was involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I seem to recall a few soiled sheets concerning the Ebola scam. I wish someone would have taken my bet, that in 6 months it would be forgotten like the swine flu and the Macarena. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 No, no, no. I'd remember our bed being ruined. I think it was letting all sorts of illegals coming across the border, and bringing all sorts of diseases with them...like ebola, and the Woodypeckerhead Eunuch Syndrome Virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 The U.S. butting into Russia versus Ukraine is idiotic. But foreign policy post WWII, especially post Ike and Post Reagan has been atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 If Putin was given a 'Murrican name, and magically transformed into a Republican POTUS candidate for 2016, there would be a collective orgasm from "the right". If you liked little Ricky Santorum in 2012, then you'd really like Putin 2016. That is, if you would take the time to examine what he wants for his people, and not thing OMG - PUTIN evil commie - he can't take action to protect Russian infrastructure in historically Russian controlled lands.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 well then he would win by a landslide would he not? Is military strategy favors the right and his political party favors the left. Should we call him comrade or buddy? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohican Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'll preface this with I know he rose to power out of the KGB, so he has to be hardened and ruthless. But: He doesn't seem to favor the miltiary adventurism that his Communist predecessors did. He wants Russians to start having families again. In spite of having his formative years in the peak of communism, his mother took his to church often. He thinks Russian Orthodoxy is good for Russians. He (according to reports) worships regularly and has a father confessor. He thinks gays and feminist are bad for Russia. His reprisals to Muslims that have acted out have been much swifter and cost effective (in rubles and lives) than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Now there is trouble with Russia wanting to take Mariupol. Double click on the map to enlarge it...and look where it is. Big, serious trouble just getting started, eh? http://marketrealist.com/2015/01/crimea-annexed-mariupol-next-russia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 and.... worse and worse. Other countries not aligned with the russians are very, very concerned. and stupiass traitor obuttmao does nothing....and is talking about maybe having to put American troops in.... Iraq again, to fight doesh, however ya spell it, per Hagel. Big, serious trouble. Thousands of Ukrainian troops are said to be surrounded by russian and "separatists" troops. http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-pro-russian-separatists-say-theyhave-trapped-thousands-of-ukrainian-soldiers-20150131-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Here are some maps that show what's going on And a video of some of the civilians caught up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporTrail Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 The Ukrainians mined up a road to the city, disabling a few tanks (T-80s?). The pro-Russian soldier who's speaking is in high spirits regardless. A US general has said that Russian drones are causing lots of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 and.... worse and worse. Other countries not aligned with the russians are very, very concerned. and stupiass traitor obuttmao does nothing....and is talking about maybe having to put American troops in.... Iraq again, to fight doesh, however ya spell it, per Hagel. Big, serious trouble. Thousands of Ukrainian troops are said to be surrounded by russian and "separatists" troops. http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-pro-russian-separatists-say-theyhave-trapped-thousands-of-ukrainian-soldiers-20150131-story.html So do you suggest we send troops into Ukraine? If the EU countries are worried, then they can do something. I don't give a single fuck what happens to podunk former Soviet satellite countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's not our business what Russia is up to. Did you see them giving us shit over iraq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's not our business what Russia is up to. Did you see them giving us shit over iraq? Exactly. Let them have at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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