NoCal Jack Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hello All, First time posting. I haven't heard any rumors of working a deal with Sheard so I'm assuming he's hitting free agency which will be a huge blow to us. Same old story, we lose our good players and draft high to replace them. We need to pick up the 5.5M option on Taylor and pay the guy becasue he makes our D better and we can afford it, he's a beast. Let Rubin go and I'm not opposed to drafting Shelton or Brown (no Armstead) to really beef up our DL. Secondary is a concern when Screen and hits the market. We need him back, I really don't want us to use another high draft pick on a cb this year. And pay Gipson. Gipson proved worthy 3.3M so place the 1st round tender and make a team give up their 1st for rights to sign him. Amazing all 4 of these guys were drafted 3 regimes ago so I may seem naive, but they all looked good when on the field last year and know our system. Can we still have some continuity at least on defense?? NoCal Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 yeah I haven't heard shit about Sheard either...and signing him or not signing him affects the draft. If we keep Sheard, chances are we're not going after any edge rushers in the draft. They really need to figure this out before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 love sheard but think o'neill's scheme is not exactly what he's fitted for (see mingo thread). i absolutely love phil taylor but now after the injuries can we feel confident that he can be a 16 game a year NT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkid3 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Resign Taylor. Sheard can walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCal Jack Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I would say losing Phil Taylor did as much damage to us stopping the run as losing Mack did to the run game. I'm not a Dr. so I'm not sure how vulnerable that knee is and if the strength will be back enough to play to his potential, but he's 26 with a lot of heal time. I don't listen to my gut often but today he says he'll be fine, take a chance. As for Sheard, I have not read the Mingo thread and there's always the question of scheme-fit, but I thought he looked pretty good last yr. Versatile, above-average, good at a lot of things but not "great" at anything. But still, probably the best free-agent we have to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Taylor's option was picked up last offseason. He hasn't really bought into the 3-4 NT but has the talent, he just has to stay healthy. Sheard is not a fit for the 3-4 and this is an incredible draft for edge rushers. Vic Beasley, Shane Ray, Randy Gregory, Eli Harold, Mate Orchard, Lorenzo Mauldin, and the guy from Washington who I will not even attempt to spell his name, are all great prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it. The Browns had a very deep Defensive Line last year, but as deep as it was it was still devastated by massive injuries. We want to keep these players because they have talent and provide that depth. Losing them does not assure that you will replace them with equal talent....and certainly doesn't help the depth issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game. Yep....the ole 5-2.....(saw that more than once)..... And when the 5 failed, I kept hearing how bad the 2 were...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game.. Well when sheard and krug are in there are almost always only two interior lineman. I dont like that formation but pet seemed to love it all season. I hate two dl and two standing olb'ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it. Your past girlfriends haven't won any awards but I bet you were pretty pissed when they left you. Same thing here. They may be ugly bitches, but they are our ugly bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Incorrect. Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish. Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO. We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Sheard refused to talk to tje FO? Thats not good....in fact i could probably then assume kruget wont resign when his cont is up either unless this team does a 180 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO. We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum. Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year... and where is Taylor going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Incorrect. Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish. Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO. We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum. WTF are you talking about. Taylor has been injured.....but has played well when he has been in there. We are talking about Phil Taylor.....Defensive Tackle for the Cleveland Browns. I am not sure which Phil Taylor you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusKing Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Incorrect. Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish. Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO. We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum. When we had Phil Taylor for the Thursday night game, the Bungles had no answer, they couldn't run cause of the beast in the middle and they couldn't pass cause Dalton is ass cheeks, and bam, Brownies 24 Bungles 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Incorrect. Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish. Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO. We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum. Phil hasn't been a bust at all. He's been a steady presence and solid contributor. Not all first round picks are rockstars or busts. Some just end up being effective, its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year... and where is Taylor going? Taylor is going nowhere this year. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/phil-taylor/ Yeah- I would think Sheard would at least listen to offers. But- sounds like the Browns aren't interested. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6597/jabaal-sheard Rubin will definitely either be cut or seriously restructured- not worth anything close to $8 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA. I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA. I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him. Of ESPN/Polian's top rated FA DTs.....four of them come from the Lions: 1. Suh Lions 2. Terence Knighton Denver 3. Jared Odrick Miami 4. Terrell McClain Dallas 5. CJ Mosley Lions 6. Alan Branch, Pats 7. Dwan Edwards Panthers 8. Nick Fairly Lions 9. Andre Fluellen Lions 10. Kevin Vickers KC Polian actually ranked Sion Fua ahead of Rubin. Not so sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 With the exveption of suh...we should really make some offers to players on that list. Phil needs a running mate. We cant fold on the middle if he gets hurt again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Detroit has 4 FA DTs? Strikes me as a lack of planning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Of ESPN/Polian's top rated FA DTs.....four of them come from the Lions: 1. Suh Lions 2. Terence Knighton Denver 3. Jared Odrick Miami 4. Terrell McClain Dallas 5. CJ Mosley Lions 6. Alan Branch, Pats 7. Dwan Edwards Panthers 8. Nick Fairly Lions 9. Andre Fluellen Lions 10. Kevin Vickers KC Polian actually ranked Sion Fua ahead of Rubin. Not so sure about that. Surprised Wilfork isn't on that list but I suppose age is getting to him. The top 4 of that list are very good though-Knighton would be a solid FA pickup but I'm not sure what his price tag is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 That list was probably made before wilfork came free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Polian is a tard. Rubin is a good space eater but isn't someone I want to over pay. He offers nothing in the pass rush so we should be able to find a young hungry guy to fill his role. I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Polian is a tard. Rubin is a good space eater but isn't someone I want to over pay. He offers nothing in the pass rush so we should be able to find a young hungry guy to fill his role. I think we're ok at nose tackle with Phil Taylor and John Hughes. We need to focus on getting another versatile DE to solidify our front 7 I think we're good at the 5 tech, imo, with the Bryant's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimdawg Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 When we had Phil Taylor for the Thursday night game, the Bungles had no answer, they couldn't run cause of the beast in the middle and they couldn't pass cause Dalton is ass cheeks, and bam, Brownies 24 Bungles 3 100% agree with this. I was at that game and seen first hand just how much of a disruption big phil was to that offense. Wasnt anywhere close to 100% and every time i saw him he was fired up and talkin shit and smashing someone. I remember thinking to myself what a force he could of been last year of he woulda stayed healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitchTits Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Your past girlfriends haven't won any awards but I bet you were pretty pissed when they left you. Same thing here. They may be ugly bitches, but they are our ugly bitches. Try to keep in mind that just 2 seasons ago our defense was top 8 for 15 weeks, and top 11 after the season. I know that doesn't mean much, but players like Sheard, and Taylor helped us get there. Taylor due to injuries may come at a cheaper price also. Personally I believe in the old adage, if you don't have a replacement, then maybe we shouldn't cut. I know there are other reasons players are cut, but following this simple rule can only help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 With the exveption of suh...we should really make some offers to players on that list. Phil needs a running mate. We cant fold on the middle if he gets hurt again We still have Billly Winn and The Sausage King (John Hughes) no? Do you not consider them Phil's running mates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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