Alkid3 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ok so it looks like his time is up in HOU. He is passed his prime but could be better than atleast Miles Austin. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Like anything else, depends on his cost and his bill of health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Exactly - if he comes here on the same exact deal as Austin, and is healthy, then sure, but what are the chances of that? It's not a direct substitution, there's money involved that could be spent improving other areas of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 AJ's days of getting big pay days may be done, but he will be the hard one to convince. This one may go awhile. Great hands cause their Huge. From shoulder's down the man cannot stay on field due to injuries, he's still strong but the only way he gets open is to push off. 34, legs gone no speed (hammys and knees), only will practice Thurs. or Fri. Texans got his prime years but know I bet they glad to see him go.. Just more money for JJ Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I'd take Austin year 2 over Andre year 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Exactly - if he comes here on the same exact deal as Austin, and is healthy, then sure, but what are the chances of that? It's not a direct substitution, there's money involved that could be spent improving other areas of the team. Well, Austin came as a FA......Johnson would have to be traded for. I assume he is under contract, so the Browns would have to pay that number. It is what we would have to give up that worries me. I might be more interested in getting the next Andre Johnson in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Apparently the texans have told him they'll cut him if they don't get an offer, so it won't take much in a trade. But no team will take his $16m cap hit next year, so he'll be cut, and then he's a FA like Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 He's gonna be a FA and won't want to come to play in Cleveland. I laughed to myself when I saw this on SC this morning because I knew the thread would pop up. Aging elite players don't want to play for lower end teams, it hardly ever happens when they are still useful. My bet is the Seahawks or Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utzie Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I saw on Twitter this morning that Johnson was targeted 145 times last season, but only had around 940 rec yards. That was the 3rd lowest yardage total in NFL history for a receiver with 145 targets in a season. He would have been great a few years ago, but his best days are certainly behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 He's gonna be a FA and won't want to come to play in Cleveland. I laughed to myself when I saw this on SC this morning because I knew the thread would pop up. Aging elite players don't want to play for lower end teams, it hardly ever happens when they are still useful. My bet is the Seahawks or Ravens. The Ravens are as much a "low end" team as the Browns. The Browns have more overall talent than the Ravens.....but, again, just like they have more overall talent than the Steelers, they don't have that top notch QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The Ravens are as much a "low end" team as the Browns. The Browns have more overall talent than the Ravens.....but, again, just like they have more overall talent than the Steelers, they don't have that top notch QB. I guess the Cleveland Indians have a better team than the San Francisco Giants except for the pitching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I guess the Cleveland Indians have a better team than the San Francisco Giants except for the pitching staff. They might. That is how important QBs and pitching staffs are. The Browns may actually have a more talented overall team than the New England Patriots......except the Pats have Tom Brady. I would have to do a more individual, position by position breakdown to determine that. And while the Pats might come out slightly ahead overall.....the one position they are miles ahead is QB. In other words, I would take my chances right here, right now....even trade straight up, our QB for their QB....and I would like our chances. I have made the same challenge to Steeler fans....and all I have heard in response are crickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 He's gonna be a FA and won't want to come to play in Cleveland. yeah he'd be scared to play against our brutal division defenses. let him stay soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryfine Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The Ravens are as much a "low end" team as the Browns. The Browns have more overall talent than the Ravens.....but, again, just like they have more overall talent than the Steelers, they don't have that top notch QB. Besides QB, Running back and Receivers also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Neither Tom Brady nor Big Ben make the Browns as talented offensively as the Patriots or the Steelers. The Browns are making progress but they are still missing key pieces at the speed positions, a consistent offensive line and a solid offensive game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 The Browns may actually have a more talented overall team than the New England Patriots......except the Pats have Tom Brady. Not even close, Gip. Do you believe the Pats would have fallen apart if their Center got injured like some here like to believe happened to the Browns? They would have plugged somebody else in and not skipped a beat. You can say it's all Brady, but you'd be wrong (to paraphrase Peter J. Franklin). Also the Pats have the best HC in the NFL and the Giants have the best Manager in MLB. They get 100% out of 100% of their players 100% of the time. Organization is HUGE, as well. I hope Pet can grow into the top-tier coaches in the league over the next few years. I sense, however, acrimony, between him and Farmer. That won't end pretty, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Besides QB, Running back and Receivers also. Well, maybe, probably. It was not the case with receivers until Josh Gordon got suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Not even close, Gip. Do you believe the Pats would have fallen apart if their Center got injured like some here like to believe happened to the Browns? They would have plugged somebody else in and not skipped a beat. You can say it's all Brady, but you'd be wrong (to paraphrase Peter J. Franklin). I am not saying it is ALL Tom Brady....90-95%. Like I said, if you went position by position the talent may be very, very close. Also the Pats have the best HC in the NFL Do they? I am NOT convinced of that. In all of BBs years as a HC in the NFL he has 2 winning seasons and 5 losing seasons where his full time starting QB was not Tom Brady. and the Giants have the best Manager in MLB. Great pitching staffs make any manager look great....but Bochy manages that staff well for sure. They get 100% out of 100% of their players 100% of the time. Though I am not convinced that Bruce Bochy is better .than Terry Francona. Both outstanding Organization is HUGE, as well. OK, but, sometimes a great pitching staff and a great QB is what makes an organization great. I hope Pet can grow into the top-tier coaches in the league over the next few years. I sense, however, acrimony, between him and Farmer. That won't end pretty, IMHO. Winning will resolve all that, no? And I am convinced that winning for this team requires merely a quality QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Not even close, Gip. Do you believe the Pats would have fallen apart if their Center got injured like some here like to believe happened to the Browns? They would have plugged somebody else in and not skipped a beat. You can say it's all Brady, but you'd be wrong (to paraphrase Peter J. Franklin). I am not saying it is ALL Tom Brady....90-95%. Like I said, if you went position by position the talent may be very, very close. Also the Pats have the best HC in the NFL Do they? I am NOT convinced of that. In all of BBs years as a HC in the NFL he has 2 winning seasons and 5 losing seasons where his full time starting QB was not Tom Brady. and the Giants have the best Manager in MLB. Great pitching staffs make any manager look great....but Bochy manages that staff well for sure. They get 100% out of 100% of their players 100% of the time. Though I am not convinced that Bruce Bochy is better .than Terry Francona. Both outstanding Organization is HUGE, as well. OK, but, sometimes a great pitching staff and a great QB is what makes an organization great. I hope Pet can grow into the top-tier coaches in the league over the next few years. I sense, however, acrimony, between him and Farmer. That won't end pretty, IMHO. Winning will resolve all that, no? And I am convinced that winning for this team requires merely a quality QB. Well, you probably know that I'm a Red Sox fan and like Francona a lot. Neither he nor Bochy will get their names mentiond in a "Name the best 5 managers in MLB" discussion - at least outside of Cleveland or SF. BTW, Belichick took over a piss, piss poor team in Cleveland and nearly took them to the playoffs - all the while, the entire organization was crumbling behind him. That experience is why he puts so much emphasis on organization and management stability and, precisely, the reason he chose not to accept the Jets' HC position when his mentor 'anointed' him Head Coach. If the Browns organization didn't crumble under his tenure, IMHO, he would have gotten the team to the SB. Looking at the numbers, without consideration circumstances, situations, etc. is a dangerous way to evaluate talent. Look at what Franconia did - for example - before he joined the Sox. Look at Toree with the Mets or in St. Louis. Shitty numbers. Figures Lie and Liers Figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Neither he nor Bochy will get their names mentiond in a "Name the best 5 managers in MLB" discussion - at least outside of Cleveland or SF. Come on man, I'll give Francona may not be in that talk but Bochy has gotten 3 rings in 5 years with totally different teams. If he's not a top 5 manager in the MLB right now who the hell is above him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Come on man, I'll give Francona may not be in that talk but Bochy has gotten 3 rings in 5 years with totally different teams. If he's not a top 5 manager in the MLB right now who the hell is above him. I am saying their names WILL NOT come up, even though THEY SHOULD COME UP. I misspoke if I came across as they should not be in the conversation. They are below the radar for most people. Not jazzy people or jazzy Managers. Just Managers who have won a total of 5 WS in 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Well, you probably know that I'm a Red Sox fan and like Francona a lot. Neither he nor Bochy will get their names mentiond in a "Name the best 5 managers in MLB" discussion - at least outside of Cleveland or SF. I would disagree with that. I would think they would both rank very high on the best managers list by anyone doing the ranking....if they didn't then the person/persons doing the ranking are dumbasses. BTW, Belichick took over a piss, piss poor team in Cleveland and nearly took them to the playoffs Not in his first year...by no means. It took him 4 years to make the playoffs. - all the while, the entire organization was crumbling behind him. That experience is why he puts so much emphasis on organization and management stability and, precisely, the reason he chose not to accept the Jets' HC position when his mentor 'anointed' him Head Coach. If the Browns organization didn't crumble under his tenure, IMHO, he would have gotten the team to the SB. Looking at the numbers, without consideration circumstances, situations, etc. is a dangerous way to evaluate talent. Well, I don't know if the organization crumbled. Modell wanted more money. That was the root of any crumbling. Look at what Franconia did - for example - before he joined the Sox. Look at Toree with the Mets or in St. Louis. Shitty numbers. Neither had the talent in those places to go far. That is what I say about BB.....he has perhaps the best QB in history having played for him. Fine that he recognized that talent......but without TB...he has been less than mediorce. Figures Lie and Liers Figure. And Bill Parcells said "you are what your record says you are"......and sans Brady, BBs record is below .500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I would disagree with that. I would think they would both rank very high on the best managers list by anyone doing the ranking....if they didn't then the person/persons doing the ranking are dumbasses. I am talking about a conversation in a barroom, Gip, for Chrissakes. Joe the Plumber. You know, a stupid, crude Republican. PS Get over your hatred of BB for cutting Kosar and, just maybe, you will see the light of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I am talking about a conversation in a barroom, Gip, for Chrissakes. Joe the Plumber. You know, a stupid, crude Republican. PS Get over your hatred of BB for cutting Kosar and, just maybe, you will see the light of day. Well, I don't know what party a person in a barroom may be, but if they think that Bochy and Francona are not good managers then they are either a Republican or Democratic dumbass. As for Belichick....I am sorry that facts get in the way of your delusion. But it is a FACT that without Brady at QB BB has a losing record as a head coach. He has been lucky and blessed to have had one of the greatest QBs of all time play for him. Now, maybe he would have had some way for his teams to be competitive, but what kind of record do you think he would have had with the QBs the Browns have been "blessed" with the last 15 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Texans have released him.... That means Hoyer will be throwing 6 feet behind another WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Well, I don't know what party a person in a barroom may be, but if they think that Bochy and Francona are not good managers then they are either a Republican or Democratic dumbass. As for Belichick....I am sorry that facts get in the way of your delusion. But it is a FACT that without Brady at QB BB has a losing record as a head coach. He has been lucky and blessed to have had one of the greatest QBs of all time play for him. Now, maybe he would have had some way for his teams to be competitive, but what kind of record do you think he would have had with the QBs the Browns have been "blessed" with the last 15 years? BBBBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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