LondonBrown Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Here are the top rated players at each position from an analytics/metrics based guide I have. Of course this is before film comes into play so pinches of salt required but as a starting point I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns have some of these names highly. Some surprises at some positions.... QB Deshaun Watson Sefo Lifau Trubisky (with a strong caveat on his sample size) No others are worth including due to score RB Jeremy McNichols D'onta Foreman Brian Hill Christian McCaffrey Aaron Jones/Cook/Perrine/Conner have equal score WR Chris Godwin Curtis Samuel Juju Smith-Schuster - All three have the same top score Robert Davis Zay Jones TE OJ Howard David N'joku Bucky Hodges - again equal score for the above three Evan Engram Jonnu Smith OG Ben Branden Dion Dawkins Taylor Moton OT Dion Dawkins (different metrics used for G and T) JP Flynn Taylor Moton Edge Jordan Willis Sol Thomas and JJ Watt equal Tyus Bowser Haason Reddick NB - Garrett doesn't meet a couple of numbers the above guys do but it's noted he has a near perfect elite profile in the other areas DT Sol Thomas (rated even higher here than at edge) Malik McDowell Charles Walker Larry Ogunjobi Montravius Adams LB Blair Brown Jarrod Davis Calvin Munson Haason Reddick Rarkwon McMillian CB Chidobe Awuzie Kevin King Marlon Humphrey Fabian Moreau Gareon Conley S Jamal Adams Chidobe Awuzie (graded higher here than CB) Xavier Woods Chuck Clark/Marcus Williams/Obi Melifonwu/Nathan Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Now, some notable names projected as potential busts due to their low scores These two due to their score have a huge chance of being busts.... LB Reuben Foster (incredibly low score) Safety Eddie Jackson Below names not exactly bust town but around the 50% mark CB Tankersley Edge Taco Charlton Edge Tim Williams QB Deshone Kizer TE George Kittle WR Amarah Darboh Safety Budda Baker Safety Marcus Maye DT Caleb Brantley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Might be interesting to some might not. What's not up for debate is our FO uses metrics just like this guide does, albeit never gonna be an exact mirror image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 I wonder how budda baker ended up in the potential bust category. His tape is great, he's athletic, and he has production. Is it his size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 I wonder how budda baker ended up in the potential bust category. His tape is great, he's athletic, and he has production. Is it his size?Should have explained I was the one that gave him the bust potential to his metric score being 50%, the actual write up is below Metric Analysis: Budda Baker has a solid long-term starter profile. But he misses the mark in multiple quality thresholds. From below average explosiveness that doesnt meet the minimum Pro Bowl or All-Pro free safety level. To average solo tackle market share and below average interception market share. Baker will be a long-term starting safety, but he falls extremely short with the Earl Thomas, or even Tyrann Mathieu comparisons. Projection: Backup to Long-term Starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 That seems pretty fair. He's not a ballhawk he's just good not elite at everything. Do they have a ranking for him at corner because it feels like he was in the slot half the time I like this metric most of the players I like are in the stud group and only 1 is in the potential bust group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Number of 'knew it" and a couple "WTF?" players. Some I just don't know...The "knew its"... RB: Brian Hill (came late to him thanks to FirstPick), Christian McCaffrey (on his train two years ago) WR: Chris Godwin (flashed at the Combine), Robert Davis (small school gem) TE: OJ Howard (Duh...) OG: Dion Dawkins (see below) OT: Dion Dawkins (shone at Sr. Bowl) DT: Montravius Adams (the big DT I kept going back to) S: Marcus Williams (FS, found him when he was a 3rd round "steal") The WTFs??? OG: Ben Branden (cursory look gave no reason to look further) Edge: Only Solomon Thomas and LBs need apply? LB: Rakwon McMillian (don't see it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Here are the top rated players at each position from an analytics/metrics based guide I have. Of course this is before film comes into play so pinches of salt required but as a starting point I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns have some of these names highly. Some surprises at some positions.... QB Deshaun Watson Sefo Lifau Trubisky (with a strong caveat on his sample size) No others are worth including due to score RB Jeremy McNichols D'onta Foreman Brian Hill Christian McCaffrey Aaron Jones/Cook/Perrine/Conner have equal score WR Chris Godwin Curtis Samuel Juju Smith-Schuster - All three have the same top score Robert Davis Zay Jones TE OJ Howard David N'joku Bucky Hodges - again equal score for the above three Evan Engram Jonnu Smith OG Ben Branden Dion Dawkins Taylor Moton OT Dion Dawkins (different metrics used for G and T) JP Flynn Taylor Moton Edge Jordan Willis Sol Thomas and JJ Watt equal Tyus Bowser Haason Reddick NB - Garrett doesn't meet a couple of numbers the above guys do but it's noted he has a near perfect elite profile in the other areas Well, this sounds like an excuse for every guy that doesn't meet this metrics top. He's not good enough as a football player, but he is "elite" in other area? What: identifying Dinosaur bones. It looks to me that none of the guys that are highly rated in other venues are included here., except for a few. These guys have the Colorado QB up there with everyone else. So, either they are right on....and that is why we have so many busts among high draft picks....because the drafters don't follow these metrics....or they are full of shit. DT Sol Thomas (rated even higher here than at edge) Malik McDowell Charles Walker Larry Ogunjobi Montravius Adams LB Blair Brown Jarrod Davis Calvin Munson Haason Reddick Rarkwon McMillian CB Chidobe Awuzie Kevin King Marlon Humphrey Fabian Moreau Gareon Conley S Jamal Adams Chidobe Awuzie (graded higher here than CB) Xavier Woods Chuck Clark/Marcus Williams/Obi Melifonwu/Nathan Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Might be interesting to some might not. What's not up for debate is our FO uses metrics just like this guide does, albeit never gonna be an exact mirror image. Then we can expect Watson to be the pick? Or Blair Browns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Metric Analysis: David Njoku is off in a few areas as a multiple All-Pro tight end. But his overall age, athleticism, and production point toward a multiple Pro Bowl caliber tight end. And hes one of the few tight ends to hit an All-Pro MSA rating over 80. All signs point toward great things for Njoku. However, there are a few things off to make the claim that hes a truly generational talent. Scheme Fit: H-Back Projection: Long-term Starter to Pro Bowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Metric Analysis: Jabrill Peppers has a very interesting data profile. Elite explosiveness and speed. With elite solo tackle and pass deflection market share. But his interception market share is not Pro Bowl level. In addition to not performing the short shuttle or 3-Cone to determine flexibility. A common concern of many who watched Peppers film including myself. So, what do we have here? We have an explosive speed athlete who is solid at making tackles and forcing dead plays with his pass deflections. But may not have elite abilities to find and capitalize on the ball in the air. How he was used can also play a role here. However, I would say based on his profile and athletic abilities that are proven I would project as a long-term free safety starter with a slight chance to become a Pro Bowl outlier due to age. He is a unique player with a unique profile. But being unique is not necessarily a bad thing when you have some elite qualities. It just means that the sum of all his parts are more likely to disappoint if you dont start with low expectations. Projection: Long-term Starter to Potential Pro Bowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Peppers at FS... not seeing that, but certainly makes him a better team fit if he can handle it. Njoku's youth may be as big an asset as anything. Blocking tech is pretty bad, but he seems willing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Metric Analysis: Gerbil Peppers has a very interesting data profile. Elite explosiveness and speed. With elite solo tackle and pass deflection market share. But his interception market share is not Pro Bowl level. In addition to not performing the short shuttle or 3-Cone to determine flexibility. A common concern of many who watched Peppers film including myself. So, what do we have here? We have an explosive speed athlete who is solid at making tackles and forcing dead plays with his pass deflections. But may not have elite abilities to find and capitalize on the ball in the air. How he was used can also play a role here. However, I would say based on his profile and athletic abilities that are proven I would project as a long-term free safety starter with a slight chance to become a Pro Bowl outlier due to age. He is a unique player with a unique profile. But being unique is not necessarily a bad thing when you have some elite qualities. It just means that the sum of all his parts are more likely to disappoint if you dont start with low expectations. Projection: Long-term Starter to Potential Pro Bowler I guess, if he can break up passes, and is a sure tackler...which you want from a strong safety, but his interception skills are weak, but also his punt/kick return skills are superlative, that should be satisfactory. We WILL be taking a CB and likely another safety before this draft is over....so they can do the intercepting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Peppers at FS... not seeing that, but certainly makes him a better team fit if he can handle it. Njoku's youth may be as big an asset as anything. Blocking tech is pretty bad, but he seems willing. More strong safety, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 In their press conference Hue said in the box and SS. And ST. And maybe, eventually some offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 ... eventually some offense Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... but I guess we now have 5 SS candidates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... I disagree. But ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... but I guess we now have 5 SS candidates... You think none of these guys can play free safety? I agree that we need a free safety....and that we should get one with either 52 or 65.....but can no one else cover that spot? Either Powell or Kindred or Campbell? Maybe Peppers CAN play some OLB. That is one of our prime areas of need...though I hope the Browns pick up a Tim Williams or Duke Riley or the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Myles Garrett SPARQ 149.3 NFL% 98.7, #1 of 160 EDGEDavid Njoku SPARQ 142.4 NFL% 96.9, #2 of 94 TEJabril Peppers SPARQ 130.7 NFL% 89.1, #6 of 238 Si would check out the top 10 of any spot in need and assume the browns will go after it. some of the Biggest needs we have currently are at CB and QBCB 1. Kevin King 5. Chidobe Awuzie 8. Ahkello Witherspoon QB 5. Joshua Dobbs6. Antonio Pipkin12. Davis WebbCoincidentally or these are all QB's we had at the senior bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted April 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 All 21 or younger as well, the brief is clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Myles Garrett SPARQ 149.3 NFL% 98.7, #1 of 160 EDGE David Njoku SPARQ 142.4 NFL% 96.9, #2 of 94 TE Jabril Peppers SPARQ 130.7 NFL% 89.1, #6 of 238 S i would check out the top 10 of any spot in need and assume the browns will go after it. some of the Biggest needs we have currently are at CB and QB CB 1. Kevin King 5. Chidobe Awuzie 8. Ahkello Witherspoon QB 5. Joshua Dobbs 6. Antonio Pipkin 12. Davis Webb Coincidentally or these are all QB's we had at the senior bowl. I'll take a chimichanga (or is that a chalupa?) @ #52, and maybe Dobbs at the bottom of the 5th. If the metrics say Kizer sucks, I'm right with them. I'm going to pass watching today, and hope that the Browns don't screw up. People, the trades say this year is another dumpster dive for Darnold in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think they get Peppers to LB ASAP. Hit the roids kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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