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Yeah, you keep talking about how it's been forgotten, but I'm really not saying the same. Perhaps because it's having a bigger impact here - with young british muslims actually being convinced to go and fight WITH them, and families being torn apart because of it. Not sure if that's happening in America as yet.

A lot of people here don't even know what isis is. Never heard of it.

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I'm pretty sure if they ever became a real threat to the US, we could wipe them out easily enough. I feel like that's what our defense budget is for.

Yes. But how do you define a threat to the US? A threat to the government? A threat to overthrow authorities and instate a caliphat in America? Unlikely. But there's probably already plans in the group to start targeting places in the US for attacks. So does a single bomb attack pose "a real threat to the US?" If not, where on that scale do you draw the line being a real threat. You could argue that they're already a threat to the US and UK because of the increased instability they're bringing to the middle east.

 

<naive thinking>

Of course, you might end up seeing both sides of the iraqi muslims rising up against isis together, and perhaps forming the beginnings of a bipartisan state.

</naive thinking>

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Actually, the new Iraqi gov troops, along with the Kurds, are doing just that -

 

they retook the Mosul dam.

 

The Saudis want us to do more.

 

The Saudis should have their troops do more. idiots.

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Yes. But how do you define a threat to the US? A threat to the government? A threat to overthrow authorities and instate a caliphat in America? Unlikely. But there's probably already plans in the group to start targeting places in the US for attacks. So does a single bomb attack pose "a real threat to the US?" If not, where on that scale do you draw the line being a real threat. You could argue that they're already a threat to the US and UK because of the increased instability they're bringing to the middle east.

 

The Secretary of Defense would agree they are a threat. I sure as shit would agree, as well.

 

""They are an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it's in Iraq or anywhere else," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told reporters at the Pentagon."

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-usa-islamicstate-idUSKBN0GL24V20140821

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This is NO time to vacation overseas, I think. Those days are way over, with

Obamao at the helm of this temporarily doomed ship.

 

Some great points in this video,

 

I like the one - If we don't negotiate with terrorists, (Obamao), then what the hell

was the Bergdehl trade all about ?"

 

And our American soldier is still held in Mexico, btw.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/24/us-uk-reportedly-getting-closer-to-identifying-journalist-killer-as-british/

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/world/middleeast/peter-theo-curtis-held-by-qaeda-affiliate-in-syria-is-freed-after-2-years.html?_r=0

 

in other related news -

 

U.S. Writer Held by Al Qaeda Affiliate in Syria Is Freed After Nearly 2 Years
Peter Theo Curtis, Abducted in 2012, Is Released by Nusra Front

 

the "other" terror group decided to get smart with a cut and run strategy?

 

the news article said it was done without ransom - certainly cant do any fund raising without ransom?

 

gee mr president- why dont you publicise the hell out of this? and look more, .. say.. presidential to all your disappointed followers?

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IRAQ: THE REAL STRATEGY IS ABOUT TO SUCCEED

By Tom Mysiewicz

“The events that are taking place in Iraq are an illustration of a complete failure of the venture started by the US and the UK that allowed it to spiral out of control completely” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov recently told journalists.

Mr. Lavrov, I’m sure, knows better and is merely speaking for the press regarding the stated goals of the Iraq war. For the Anglo-Americans and their Israeli cohorts knew full well even before the 2003 invasion what they were doing and what the outcome would be. Very possibly, Mr. Lavrov never read my Oct. 2nd, 2005 predictions of Iraq’s fate in a Media Monitors article entitled “The End” (http://usa.mediamonitors.net/Headlines/The-End):

“What has been the end of the Neocon’s Iraq strategy from the start?…For some two years prior to the Iraq war, in Council of Foreign Relations and other elite circles, stories were circulated about the benefits of partitioning Iraq into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions for the benefit of the “Greater Mid East” (read instead: “Eretz Israel”)…This could lead to a bloody civil war–easily anticipated prior to the U.S. invasion–and probably leave the Israelis in control of the majority of Iraq’s oil through proxies in a future Kurdistan…A depopulated, destroyed Iraq will be in no position to prevent the diversion of its oil supplies and water from the Tigris and Euphrates to Eretz Israel. Further, the conflict could spill over into Syria and Iran and other regional states, possibly drawing them into a conflict reminiscent of the Iran-Iraq war.”

This is coming to pass as you read this. With the Kurdish seizure of Kirkuk—effectively asserting control of much of the country’s oil wealth (much oil already being sold outside the aegis of the Iraqi central government anyway) for their Israeli patrons—and conquest of Sunni areas by ISIL/ISIS/Takfiri elements (enriched by a curious $450-million bank heist and much “captured” American-supplied military equipment) I contend that the real goal of the Iraq invasion and Israeli/Anglo-American policy is about to be realized—the partition of Iraq.

The entry of the Iranian elite Revolutionary Guard into the fray at this late date is a good indication of this—the pretext of keeping Iraq in one piece under Shiia control kept Iran on the sidelines during the Purim 2003 invasion of Iraq (which would have turned it into a regional conflict not wanted by U.S. allies at the time—the so-called “Coalition of the Willing.”) In 2003, Iran could probably not believe their good fortune as the U.S. destruction of Saddam virtually handed control of Iraq to the Shiia—turning Iraq from a dangerous foe into an ally!

From Israel’s standpoint, the latest Iranian move comes at a good time. They really want to control the oil and the Iranians and Anglo-Americans can slug it out with each other and with ISIS/ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and Syria) and the Takfiris to prevent them trying to retake the oil fields. Cut off from oil revenues, the Sunni and, to a lesser extent, the Shiia areas will become depopulated and “wither on the vine.” The Iranian involvement can also serve Israel’s interests by giving it a pretext to strike Iranian military and nuclear targets.

The Israeli public stance, then, is predictable. Rov Tov, in his latest piece, quotes a lengthy analysis in the Israeli publication Yediot Ahronot, by its “connected” military analyst Ron ben Yishai, a former IDF lieutenant colonel. Tov comments that ben Yishai is saying, in effect, that “If America does nothing, Israel will fall, and afterwards Europe.”

We are seeing the false dominoes of the Vietnam War laid out for the U.S. once again—this time by their Israeli “ally”. If the U.S. fails to intervene to protect Israel’s interests at this juncture, we are to believe, the states of Europe could fall, one by one, becoming part of the greater Takfriri “Caliphate.”

CFR, OTHERS LONG PUSHED FOR SEPARATION

Echoing a long-held position of the influential Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) prior to the Iraq war, Leslie Gelb, PhD, President Emeritus of the CFR, stated in a Nov. 25, 2003 New York Times article titled “The Three-State Solution”:

“President Bush’s new strategy of transferring power quickly to Iraqis, and his critics’ alternatives, share a fundamental flaw: all commit the United States to a unified Iraq, artificially and fatefully made whole from three distinct ethnic and sectarian communities. That has been possible in the past only by the application of overwhelming and brutal force…

The only viable strategy, then, may be to correct the historical defect and move in stages toward a three-state solution: Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shiite in the South…Allowing all three communities within that false state to emerge at least as self-governing regions would be both difficult and dangerous. Washington would have to be very hard-headed, and hard-hearted, to engineer this breakup. But such a course is manageable, even necessary, because it would allow us to find Iraq’s future in its denied but natural past.”

As a U.S. Senator, Joe Biden carried the CFR’s (and Israel’s) water on this issue. According to a CFR backgrounder authored by Greg Bruno on Oct. 27th, 2007:
“A non-binding resolution that sailed through the U.S. Senate in September 2007 reignited debate over Iraq’s political future. Introduced by Senators Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-DE) and Sam Brownback, (R-KS), the measure calls for a decentralized Iraqi government “based upon the principles of federalism” and advocates for a relatively weak central government with strong Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish regional administrations. The bill, based on a proposal first introduced by Biden and CFR President Emeritus Leslie H. Gelb, passed the Senate by a 75 to 23 margin. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and Chris Dodd (D-CT), rivals in a crowded presidential field that includes Sen. Biden, both supported the amendment.”

The Biden-Brownback plan was borne of a broader five-point strategy Biden and Gelb introduced in May 2006. But this so-called “federalism” scheme was seen by many Mid East experts as doomed to failure and merely a back door to partition of Iraq. According to the CFR, Anthony H. Cordesman, a Middle East expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, doubted security forces could function under federalism—and ridiculed the idea of a “soft” partition in Iraq—he saw any partition as being “hard” and bloody, filled with human suffering.

The 500,000 new refugees and the 1700 soldiers and civilians just brutally executed by the Takfiris in Iraq can now confirm this estimate to Joe Biden, now U.S. Vice President.

 

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