wargograw Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 ...and Clemson and Washington both win next week, why should Ohio State get in the playoff? Also, if Wisconsin wins the Big 10 (also assuming Clemson and Washington both win), what's your argument that Ohio State should get in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 OSU would get in over Wisco, they beat them head to head Idk about PSU tho Hell, we could have 3 B1G teams in the playoff technically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Ohio State is the number 2 team in the nation and just beat the number 3 team which had been as high as #2 themselves. You can't drop a team down the rankings when they just beat a consensus top 3 team. There's no rule that I know of that you have to win the conference championship to get into the playoffs. Certain teams like Notre Dame CAN'T win a conference championship. Believe me if Notre Dame was good enough they're not leaving a program like Notre Dame out of the playoffs because they didn't win a championship game. Same bit here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If they put the B1G champion in the playoffs it will set a precedent that you have to be a Conference champion to make the playoffs...and I think it's the wrong precedent because there's no wink wink nod nod about it...There's at least two teams in the B1G ranked higher and, in reality, better than the champion no matter which team wins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, PSU beat OSU head to head. That's what throws a wrench in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If they put the B1G champion in the playoffs it will set a precedent that you have to be a Conference champion to make the playoffs...and I think it's the wrong precedent because there's no wink wink nod nod about it...There's at least two teams in the B1G ranked higher and, in reality, better than the champion no matter which team wins it. Conference championships are not used to select positions only as a tie breaker for compromible teams. http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, they would in fact be "compromible." Woody, that's the paradox here. On the one hand, if Wisconsin wins, OSU fans will say "well, we beat them." If PSU wins, that same argument keeps you out of the playoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, they would in fact be "compromible." Woody, that's the paradox here. On the one hand, if Wisconsin wins, OSU fans will say "well, we beat them." If PSU wins, that same argument keeps you out of the playoff. OHIO STATE caught a break not being in the B1G Championship and is the only 1 loss team of the three plus AP and Coaches week 14 poll agree: AP Top 25 RK TEAM REC PTS TREND 1 Alabama(61) 12-0 1525 2 Ohio State 11-1 1456 3 Clemson 11-1 1383 1 4 Washington 11-1 1298 2 5 Michigan 10-2 1264 2 6 Wisconsin 10-2 1237 1 7 Oklahoma 9-2 1141 8 Penn State 10-2 1118 9 Colorado 10-2 1035 <--- If CU beats WASH then 2 B1G might get in! 10 USC 9-3 948 2......GO USC BEAT WASH! Oh crap, CU? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 USC isn't playing Washington. CU is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If you make the argument that OSU should be in over a conference champion, you need to make that same argument for Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, PSU beat OSU head to head. That's what throws a wrench in it. Shush!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If you make the argument that OSU should be in over a conference champion, you need to make that same argument for Michigan. except OSU beat michigan and Michigan is a two loss team. One to an unranked team. What qualifies them for the playoffs over any of the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Picture if this were the 8 team playoff, and no all B1G round 1 games 1 Alabama(61) 12-0 1525 vs PSU 2 Ohio State 11-1 1456 vs OKL rematch 3 Clemson 11-1 1383 1 vs WISC, interesting 4 Washington 11-1 1298 2 vs MICH, GO BLUE (OMG I can't believe I typed it) 5 Michigan 10-2 1264 2 6 Wisconsin 10-2 1237 1 7 Oklahoma 9-2 1141 8 Penn State 10-2 1118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted November 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If you make the argument that OSU should be in over a conference champion, you need to make that same argument for Michigan. Why? They have two losses and no championship. Irrelevant to this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 ...and Clemson and Washington both win next week, why should Ohio State get in the playoff? Also, if Wisconsin wins the Big 10 (also assuming Clemson and Washington both win), what's your argument that Ohio State should get in? Because Ohio State is one of the best 4 teams in the nation. They have played more current Top Ten teams than anyone...and are 3-1 against them: (compare: Alabama has not played a single other Top Ten team) Because the Committee's job is to put the best 4 teams in the country into the playoffs....winning conferences/head to head etc. only come into play when the team's overall resume's may be similar. No other team has a similar resume to OSU's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, PSU beat OSU head to head. That's what throws a wrench in it. Not really.....not when you look at the overall resume. Again, Ohio State beat Top ten teams Oklahoma/Mich/Wisc. ...and lost that one game. I think PSU played two Top ten teams: OSU, won narrow, Michigan...lost badly. And they lost to Pitt....their only P5 non conf. game. It will help if they beat Wisconsin....but it won't put them over OSU (though....if things turn out right....it could possibly get them the #4 slot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well, they would in fact be "compromible." Woody, that's the paradox here. On the one hand, if Wisconsin wins, OSU fans will say "well, we beat them." If PSU wins, that same argument keeps you out of the playoff. But, neither Wisc. nor PSU can say they beat the likes of Michigan or Oklahoma. So those wins by OSU make almost no one else's resume "comparable"....not PSU/Wisc/ even Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 If you make the argument that OSU should be in over a conference champion, you need to make that same argument for Michigan. Except they have 2 conference losses. You forget...UM lost to Iowa. That kills you. That loss is not considered comparable to the OSU loss to PSU. (in comparison to OSU.....but....it would not hurt in terms of comparing UM to either PSU or Wisc....both of whom you beat. I think the committee will look at both who you beat and who you have lost to. I think Alabama would be in even if they lose to Florida. (taking any bets on that?) UM's best path in is: Colorado beats Washington. If Washington wins, they are in I believe....but if they lose....UM can say: We beat Colorado P-12 champ, and we beat the winner of PSU/Wisc. Then I think it may come down to UM vs. the winner of OK/OKSt....and UM may win that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Why? They have two losses and no championship. Irrelevant to this discussion. PSU would have a championship and head to head over OSU. Why would OSU get in over them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Michigan needs a CU win and a PSU win would help a lot too. Michigan has a 39 point head to head win over PSU. That would be hard to reason around. We beat CU by a few scores too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 PSU would have a championship and head to head over OSU. Why would OSU get in over them?because OSU gays a better record and a better resume. The conference championship only matters if 2 teams resumes are equal, and OSU has a better resume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Listen if they send psu to the playoffs they're gonna get handled just like msu did. Saturday's game was the playoff decider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Then Michigan gets in over the B1G champ as well. We'll have to see how the other title games shake out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Then Michigan gets in over the B1G champ as well. We'll have to see how the other title games shake out Once again OSU has a better record and resume then wishagin. All this will be mute when Washington beats Colorado. OSU is in no matter what PSU does. The could beat Wisconsin by 50 and OSU is still in before PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 PSU would have a championship and head to head over OSU. Why would OSU get in over them? Read the above. OSU is in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Michigan needs a CU win and a PSU win would help a lot too. Michigan has a 39 point head to head win over PSU. That would be hard to reason around. We beat CU by a few scores too. Yes, then as I said, it likely could come down to UM vs. OK/OKSt. winner. If all that happens and OK wins...it would be a close call between them and UM. I think if OK St. wins...your chances are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 OSU is in, PSU is out. Tide winning it all anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Once again OSU has a better record and resume then wishagin. All this will be mute when Washington beats Colorado. OSU is in no matter what PSU does. The could beat Wisconsin by 50 and OSU is still in before PSU My comment is not comparing OSU and Michigan in any way.... I'm saying if OSU gets in over PSU, so does Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 OSU is in, PSU is out. Tide winning it all anyway. Yeah I have a hard time seeing anyone beating the Tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 My comment is not comparing OSU and Michigan in any way.... I'm saying if OSU gets in over PSU, so does Michigan. Lets compare the three 2 loss teams. Right here right now...before the Big Ten title game this is what you have for what I think the committee will look at: What quality wins does PSU beat: OSU. (and note, they beat Iowa 41-14) What losses do they have: Michigan, Pitt What quality wins does Mich have: Wisconsin, Penn State, Colorado What losses do they have: Ohio St. Iowa (note...Iowa lost to an FCS school...that could hurt) What quality wins does Wisconsin have: LSU.... What losses do they have: Ohio St. Michigan While right now, it seems that Michigan has the best wins....they also have the worst loss. The PSU/Wisc. loser will be eliminated. How does Michigan's resume...in your minds stack up against these two.....is there a winner of that PSU game that would have a better case? Personally, I think UM has a better case against Wisconsin...even though the game they played was much closer than the PSU/Mich game. What about Oklahoma? Lost to Ohio State and Houston Who have they beat? Their best wins would be their last two: vs. WVa, and OK St....if they win that one. What about OK St.? Lost to Central Mich...on play that should never have been run. And lost to Baylor Who have they beat? Pitt...who beat PSU...WVa.....and their biggest win would be vs. Oklahoma. OK, in my view Mich would still possess the better resume than either OK team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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