Chicopee John Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Ringo Starr is now an individual member of the R&R Hall of Fame. Good for him. I always considered him to be underrated as a member of the Fab Four. Any way.............more than any other HOF, perhaps, the R&R has members that really make me scratch my head. I understand that R&R is kind of a misnomer as it extends from R&R to Soul to Folk to Blues, etc. I guess it's all Rock and Roll and I like it. However, unless I am mistaken, there are AT LEAST two artists I can list off the top of my head that should be part of the HOF. Actually, IMHO, no Rock & Roll Hall of Fame can be legit without the following being members: Johnny Rivers - plenty of Hits and has albums recorded in 6 decades. The Monkees - music, TV, Pop Icons, etc. Off the top of your heads, who else is being overlooked???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 certainly the Moody Blues and if it were up to me Procol Harum, but granted they've only had a couple hits. I can't fathom the idea that Green Day carries that much weight. I don't despise them but they seem like a footnote to the punk genre. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 certainly the Moody Blues and if it were up to me Procol Harum, but granted they've only had a couple hits. I can't fathom the idea that Green Day carries that much weight. I don't despise them but they seem like a footnote to the punk genre. WSS I was baffled that green day made it in. I mean yeah they've had a lot of big hits but they're not that great in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 certainly the Moody Blues and if it were up to me Procol Harum, but granted they've only had a couple hits. I can't fathom the idea that Green Day carries that much weight. I don't despise them but they seem like a footnote to the punk genre. WSS Certainly, the Moody Blues should be part of it. Commercial success. Eloquent music. Long lasting. You name it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 I like the Moody Blues for "in your wildest dreams" however "nights in white satin" is one of my least favorite songs ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Ringo Starr is now an individual member of the R&R Hall of Fame. Good for him. I always considered him to be underrated as a member of the Fab Four. Any way.............more than any other HOF, perhaps, the R&R has members that really make me scratch my head. I understand that R&R is kind of a misnomer as it extends from R&R to Soul to Folk to Blues, etc. I guess it's all Rock and Roll and I like it. However, unless I am mistaken, there are AT LEAST two artists I can list off the top of my head that should be part of the HOF. Actually, IMHO, no Rock & Roll Hall of Fame can be legit without the following being members: Johnny Rivers - plenty of Hits and has albums recorded in 6 decades. The Monkees - music, TV, Pop Icons, etc. Off the top of your heads, who else is being overlooked???? Every one has their ideas. The two you mention are rarely mentioned because I suspect: A. The Monkees were a made for TV movie with guys that were just thrown together to perform....and who did very little of their own playing and writing. B. Johnny Rivers was more known for his covers of songs than for originals. Now, I like both of them very much....but there are, I guess, "musicianship" issues that deter their induction. Plus, the one area that has seem to be short shifted in what I hear a lot are the Progressive Rock Bands, of the 70s/80s. Tull, Yes, Procul Harum, Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Every one has their ideas. The two you mention are rarely mentioned because I suspect: A. The Monkees were a made for TV movie with guys that were just thrown together to perform....and who did very little of their own playing and writing. B. Johnny Rivers was more known for his covers of songs than for originals. Now, I like both of them very much....but there are, I guess, "musicianship" issues that deter their induction. Plus, the one area that has seem to be short shifted in what I hear a lot are the Progressive Rock Bands, of the 70s/80s. Tull, Yes, Procul Harum, Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, etc. Good points. I understand your points about Johnny Rivers (I really don't know what songs he wrote and what songs he 'covered' but - if that were the case only Smoky Robinson would be in the HOF and, virtually, all other Motown artists would be "On The Outside Looking In". PS Dave Clark 5 were also a manufactured group, perhaps like the Monkees. My guess is that Dave Clark 5 is in. Tull's, "Aqua Lung" is one of the best records of all time, IMHO. If not the group or Ian Anderson, that album should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Good points. I understand your points about Johnny Rivers (I really don't know what songs he wrote and what songs he 'covered' but - if that were the case only Smoky Robinson would be in the HOF and, virtually, all other Motown artists would be "On The Outside Looking In". PS Dave Clark 5 were also a manufactured group, perhaps like the Monkees. My guess is that Dave Clark 5 is in. Tull's, "Aqua Lung" is one of the best records of all time, IMHO. If not the group or Ian Anderson, that album should be. Dave Clark 5 is in the HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php here are some ideas for you. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 A band I liked from the 70's, Grand Funk Railroad didn't even make the snub list so they probably aren't going in. I am surprised Yes never made it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 How is Alan Parsons not in the HOF? Not only did he have a career in a band, he was an engineer or producer for some of the biggest records of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted April 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php here are some ideas for you. WSS Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising. Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste. Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List". My surprises (In alphabetical order). Bon Jovi Chicago Dick Dale Dire Straits Doobie Brothers Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know) Journey Peter, Paul, and Mary Weird Al Barry White Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising. Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste. Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List". My surprises (In alphabetical order). Some plausible explanations: Bon Jovi Chicago RRHOF members don't like their "jazz" orientation Dick Dale Dire Straits Doobie Brothers Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know) Journey Peter, Paul, and Mary RRHOF think they are just a "folk act". Weird Al "just a novelty act" Barry White Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Chicago should be in for sure... From Free, to Bad Company, to Queen, Paul Rodgers needs tro be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted April 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Chicago should be in for sure... From Free, to Bad Company, to Queen, Paul Rodgers needs tro be in. I agree RE: Paul Rogers - great R&R voice and tons of 'Hits'. Has a much better resume than The Prenders, as an example. Actually, he just recently released a solo album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gftChris Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest. Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest. Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do. I would have fought Elvis Costello was the godfather of pop punk. he just took the genre far from its point of origin. (I remember years ago a couple of people arguing about whether or not Green Day sold out) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer! Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 If green day got in bands like stone temple pilots should be in. Stp was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Richard hell is the godfather of punk. His image was what the sex pistols were visually based on and he was the one Malcom McLaren originally approached to lead the pistols. "Blank generation" was all that McLaren wanted the pistols to be and "pretty vacant" was a direct attempt to ape it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Which came first, punk the genre, or punk the thing old people shout at young people they don't like? For green day I'm talking about pop-punk, not punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Green day started as direct punk in my opinion. They are not any more poppy than the Ramones or the pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Pop and punk have always been strange bedfellows. If you listen to blitzkrieg bop it's just pop played super fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer! Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way My aim is true and never mind the bollocks both came out in 77 and long long way from she which we celebrated mr. McManus did not write. but by that time he had traveled a long way from the pop punk beginnings. I tend to agree on his Pop influence because his music never embodied the raw ugliness of some punk performers. But we were talking about pop punk so... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 As a good deal of Green Day is in no way punk these days. especially that one they ripped from Oasis and time of your life. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted April 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 My aim is true and never mind the bollocks both came out in 77 and long long way from she which we celebrated mr. McManus did not write. but by that time he had traveled a long way from the pop punk beginnings. I tend to agree on his Pop influence because his music never embodied the raw ugliness of some punk performers. But we were talking about pop punk so... WSS While on the subject of Punk, today is Iggy Pop's 68th birthday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 While on the subject of Punk, today is Iggy Pop's 68th birthday well happy birthday Iggy. I don't get him but that's nothing new. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted April 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 well happy birthday Iggy. I don't get him but that's nothing new. WSS Me neither. Coincidently (sp) I saw it listed under, "Today's Birthdays" in the newspaper. I never got or enjoyed the entire Punk 'thing' although I did see a few bands that probably qualify: Clash (Agora Hartford) Never lived up to the 'Hype', IMHO At least I can say I saw them.Ramones (Agora Hartford) Didn't care for the show. Don't believe they had talent. Head scratcher band to me. The crowd, though, was kind of fun.Sonic Youth (Pearl St, Northampton, MA) See Ramones above X (Agora Hartford) Exene Cervenka made it interesting and memorable. Mediocre show. Still talk about certain aspects of the show, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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