calfoxwc Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 On a scale of 1-10 Grade: 4 Rubio isn't a leader, often falters in expressing himself, and often, like Christie said, resorts to repetitive talking points. Not buyin him as presidential material. And, he's just a follower/player all too often, like his immigration bill. His excuse was pretty dim to me. And being in the gang of eight, gives him a 4. Grade: 0 Trump is more of a complete ass than I thought. He has really stepped in it, and shown he is just a loudmouth jerk who can't be trusted. His emminent domain venting surely will cost him, and it should. He is a complete ass, who is plenty intelligent enough to cover with generally liked platitudes. Grade: 7 Christie sold me. He explained himself very well. Not sure about his respect for our 2nd Amendment, though. He was right to chide Rubio - he was correct. Grade: 9 Jeb Bush. I'm shocked that he dramatically changed my mind. He is far more a leader than I've given him credit for. He has principles, and he's consistent, I think. I see him far differently, based on his replies. I am now very impressed. Grade 9 Ben Carson - doesn't get enough chance to talk - he was the only one who didn't get a chance to talk about N. Korea, but I admired him anyways, and he verified that with excellent points and viewpoints. And, sense of humor, integrity to the max, and he is the real deal conservative. I do see him as more a VP based on experience of Kasich. Grade 9 Kasich - same as with Carson - even Christie admitted he admired Kasich's record as gov of Ohio. Christie has taken a few misteps. He admitted the taxing millionaires was done, and it was a dismal mistake. He is correct. Kasich is the real deal, and has been a great gov here in Ohio. I trust him and Carson to be who they really are now, and in the WH. Grade 5 Cruz says a lot of good things...but his apology and explanation to Carson, again, was not accurate, I think. And, I think now, that his abrasiveness is a nasty streak of his weaknesses, and he has discredited himself a few times. Not buyin his legitmacy much anymore. He lost me the past few weeks, bigtime. Good debate - the cream rises to the top. I'm thinking Kasich-Carson as the ticket. I really like that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 There was another debate today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I still like carson on a moral and personal basis but the writing is on thr wall for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush secures the nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Jeb has been far more a leader as gov in Florida than I originally thought. He's sincere about what he's saying. My guess is, Kasich shocks folks in NH. I still see Christie as more of an attorney gjeneral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 The biggest problem with Christie is that hes fat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I only saw clips of the debate and watched analysis of the debate on Fox. My guess is those who did very well were the ones who had to do well to stay in the race. Kasich, Christie and Bush all had to have a great debate and came into the debate knowing that and were swinging for the fence. They were less concerned about playing it safe or making any mistakes. The ones who didn't do as well Trump, Cruz and Rubio were the top 3 coming out of Iowa. My guess is these three were being cautious and came into the debate with the attitude of not wanting to make any mistakes. They were trying to play it safe. Rubio was the guy coming under fire this time and Christie's attacks really stung Rubio who I would list as the biggest loser in the debate and it will be interesting to see how he does now. He had been the one shooting up in the polls with his bronze third place finish in Iowa (bronze being the new gold with how the media was portraying him). Jeb Bush finally was able to nail Trump with the imminant domain issue. Hard for Trump to defend trying to take an elderly woman's house to build a limo parking lot for a casino. Trump's supporters humorously said he never did actually take her house not mentioning the reason was because the courts stopped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Trump and Christie did the best. The keystone pipeline was a good point - all the republican cucks want it and it requires imminent domain. Rubio did the worst by far - which is good for Trump. Cruz got cock slapped by Carson and the moderators then was quiet the rest of the night except for the usual war mongering I'm crazy stuff. Carson was sleeping except for the "I'm not mad I'm disappointed" Jeb did fine but nobody cares Kasich was weak as usual. Didn't stand out, but needed to. Christie is a fat corrupt bastard but it was nice watching him best up Rubio. Especially funny when he called him out for 25 second prepared statements and Rubio still repeated himself 3-4 times while getting called out for it. I'd say 1) Christie (but who cares, he's vying for a Trump cabinet position) 2) Trump 3) Jeb (but nobody cares) 4) Cruz 5) Kasich 6) Carson 7) Rubio --- http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=54020 This was a great Trump moment ^ I've been saying it since the first one how in the fuck can the crowd roar for Bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Also, I liked the Trump moments: - on temperament he pointed out he didn't want to invade Iraq, while others on the stage are much quicker on the trigger. - The other thing was when he called out Cruz for not confronting him face to face on his comments. He definitely wasn't a loser at the debate. Comments about the audience were spot on, only 100 tickets were available to the public - 900 were for donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 nah, I think Trump has been overplaying his hand with his big, antagonistic mouth. We'll see how the NH vote goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 nah, I think Trump has been overplaying his hand with his big, antagonistic mouth. We'll see how the NH vote goes. It seems that the GOP base actually likes that Trump is all mouth. It reminds me of the Obama voters who just liked him for the slogans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Trump did stand with Carson when he didn't hear his name called - while everybody walked past. I think Cal would have liked that, I'm sure Carson was feeling a bit of anxiety there. And this is not relevant to the debate, but pretty interesting: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Debates are pretty much useless, sorry. The nomination will be based on the delegates won in the primary elections and that will be a three horse race between Cruz, Rubio & Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Also, I liked the Trump moments: - on temperament he pointed out he didn't want to invade Iraq, while others on the stage are much quicker on the trigger. - The other thing was when he called out Cruz for not confronting him face to face on his comments. He definitely wasn't a loser at the debate. Comments about the audience were spot on, only 100 tickets were available to the public - 900 were for donors. I wouldn't consider Trump a loser at the debate. I thought there was only one who really lost and that was Rubio. Christie shredded him on his rehearsed comments. I thought all the governors were the winners on this debate, Kasich, Christie and Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 It seems that the GOP base actually likes that Trump is all mouth. It reminds me of the Obama voters who just liked him for the slogans. The only difference is Obama was trying to unite and Trump is trying to divide. I'm not saying Obama has succeeded, I don't think he has, but that was the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I wouldn't consider Trump a loser at the debate. I thought there was only one who really lost and that was Rubio. Christie shredded him on his rehearsed comments. I thought all the governors were the winners on this debate, Kasich, Christie and Bush. Christie was the biggest winner. Rubio getting shredded only helps Trump. I think Cruz also lost, but the rest did nothing to help or hurt them - some like Kasich really needed to dominate before the NH primary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Christie was the biggest winner. Rubio getting shredded only helps Trump. I think Cruz also lost, but the rest did nothing to help or hurt them - some like Kasich really needed to dominate before the NH primary Although the talking heads thought Christie hurt Rubio whether or not it helped Christie is unclear as he might have come off looking bad himself in the process. I think the results in New Hampshire will be influenced by this debate and I don't look for Rubio to do as well now like they were predicting before the debate. The last polling I saw was showing Trump even widening his lead in New Hampshire and the only question will be who will finish second or third. It probably worked out for Cruz on this debate the focus was on Rubio especially coming right after Iowa and what happened to Carson by the Cruz campaign. I was concerned what happened to Rubio was going to happen to Cruz . In that respect I don't think Cruz was a loser on this debate, he survived it. I'm voting for Cruz but cannot condone what his campaign staff did to Carson. No excuse for it even though I fault CNN for sloppy reporting they never said Carson was actually leaving the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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