SkippinTurtles Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Take Brady and Romo. Their teams now have WAY more money to work with plus a star QB. The media slobbers on them for "sacrificing for the team" and off the field they make more money than God. Horseshit. Base QB pay on QB rating. Rodgers level QB's have to take close to 20 mil. Overpay for Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, go fuck yourself. But great QB's shouldn't take half their salaries. Play big, pay big and fuck up your cap like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul warfield Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Rules are rules, smart teams use strategy to their advantage. How about some non informed outsider change the mode of operation in your industry ? If your front office is not savvy enough to fine tune contracts that is unfortunate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Thanks Mrs. Obama for your idea's on wealth redistribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Take Brady and Romo. Their teams now have WAY more money to work with plus a star QB. The media slobbers on them for "sacrificing for the team" and off the field they make more money than God. Horseshit. Base QB pay on QB rating. Rodgers level QB's have to take close to 20 mil. Overpay for Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, go fuck yourself. But great QB's shouldn't take half their salaries. Play big, pay big and fuck up your cap like the rest of us. Their money/contract. They can negotiate with their team to help them win. Those players should be commended for putting team wins over a few more million dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 He mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 "I caught zero logic in all that and that last part...pure gibberish to me." -Marty Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Lets all hope that Manziel is the next big QB, one who will stick with Cleveland for the long haul, win us multiple championships and make tons of money outside of the gridiron, take a pay cut to continue to put weapons around him, to improve the other side of the ball and make other teams fans mad... That is my hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 If we draft a QB I think Manziel may be gone. Hope not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Only P. Manning has actually taken less money. He gave up $4mm. All the other QBs in the news have restructured their contracts, which just means they have deferred income to the latter years of their contract, often with more total $$$ guaranteed. The moves solve short-term problems while creating potentially bigger ones long term... Thanks Mrs. Obama for your idea's on wealth redistribution. lol... an ideologue with no understanding of his own talking point never fails to amuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Too bad the NFL union isn't stronger. MLB players union would never let a player yake less money. They stopped A-Rod from taking less money when he went from the Rangers to the Yankees. He was traded to Boston first but the union would not allow the Redsox to re-do A-Rod's contract. So the Yankees stepped in and paid the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Too bad the NFL union isn't stronger. MLB players union would never let a player yake less money. They stopped A-Rod from taking less money when he went from the Rangers to the Yankees. He was traded to Boston first but the union would not allow the Redsox to re-do A-Rod's contract. So the Yankees stepped in and paid the money. No, the Yankee fans paid the money- why I have near zero interest in baseball- talk about overpaid. Want to spend around $500 for a freaking regular season ticket to a BASEBALL game? Plus- guaranteed contracts are great for the players, lousy for the team and fans. How many lame armed pitchers have we seen that were still collecting millions for years after their arms were totally shot? A-Roid should be making around 1\50 of what he's currently getting paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Their money/contract. They can negotiate with their team to help them win. Those players should be commended for putting team wins over a few more million dollars. Right- you reach a point where you have enough $$ to be set for life- to some guys it's an ego thing to say- I make more than he does. Some don't care as much about it. & to the OP- Tour is right- they're still going to get the same amount of money- it's just further won the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 No, the Yankee fans paid the money- why I have near zero interest in baseball- talk about overpaid. Want to spend around $500 for a freaking regular season ticket to a BASEBALL game? Plus- guaranteed contracts are great for the players, lousy for the team and fans. How many lame armed pitchers have we seen that were still collecting millions for years after their arms were totally shot? A-Roid should be making around 1\50 of what he's currently getting paid. While what you said is basically true, if the union was as strong as baseballs union, the QB's wouldn't be allowed to take less money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 You should be allowed to take whatever money you feel you're worth. For some players it isn't about the money and the difference between them making 5mil a year or 9 mil a year means nothing. There's is zero problem with what Manning, Brady, Rodgers or any QB have done to make cap space for their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 You should be allowed to take whatever money you feel you're worth. For some players it isn't about the money and the difference between them making 5mil a year or 9 mil a year means nothing. There's is zero problem with what Manning, Brady, Rodgers or any QB have done to make cap space for their team. I don't have a problem with it either. It's your name and your money. If a team wants to overpay ie. Skrine, go for it. If a player wants to help the team, then good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 So if a pitcher like Corey Kluber was willing to take less money to remain an Indian the union wouldn't let him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 So if a pitcher like Corey Kluber was willing to take less money to remain an Indian the union wouldn't let him? If he is signing a new deal, or an extension of a current deal, then yes, he can take less. If he was renegotiaiting an existing deal then the union would say no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Just to be on the side of OP (not really, but just for argument's sake) I think the idea in general is that an NFL team has to have foresight to how contracts will play out in the future. If a guy is going to create a $15mil cap hit, then he should no matter what money he is or isn't willing to take. It would create a much different situation of signing high profile FA QB's than just throwing up a huge number knowing 3 years from now they can change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Just to be on the side of OP (not really, but just for argument's sake) I think the idea in general is that an NFL team has to have foresight to how contracts will play out in the future. If a guy is going to create a $15mil cap hit, then he should no matter what money he is or isn't willing to take. It would create a much different situation of signing high profile FA QB's than just throwing up a huge number knowing 3 years from now they can change it. It seems to me that the big free agent deals only last 2-3 years. Because they get most of the money up-front in signing bonuses stretched over 3 years and after that the big salary cap hit comes in year 4 or 5 and that's when they get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Yeah....Damn these bastards doing something to help their team acquire and pay for more players that can help win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Question for anyone who knows: a little off topic but how do bonuses work against cap if at all. Say Romo gets 5 million signing bonus or other bonus, does this hit a teams cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I agree the rules are a bit outta whack. The salary cap is put in place to allow for competitive balance but the restructuring is a way to skirt those rules. My issue isn't the player getting paid, it's the corporate accounting that allows teams to take the hit when they aren't as competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Question for anyone who knows: a little off topic but how do bonuses work against cap if at all. Say Romo gets 5 million signing bonus or other bonus, does this hit a teams cap? They are prorated over the life of the cap, even though the money is physically handed over in year 1. If you know that much, you already understand about 50% of cap minutia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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