calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 So, let's think about it, even though it's early as hell... I was wondering if anybody else is arguing with themselves about it for the fun of it. Here's the list I came up with, as to the possible/probable picks of the Browns in the first round. (Hooker staying in school..?) Jamal Adams S, LSU Jabril Peppers S, Michigan Trubisky Qb, North Carolina *** Pat Elfein C/G, Ohio State yan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin Quincy Wilson CB, Florida Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama Marshon Lattimore**, CB, Ohio State Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama PICK ONE: The more I watch film of Trubisky, I pick him. At the top of the draft. Do you know, he is an inch taller and about the same weight as AARON RODGERS ? He has it all - especially the intangibles, sees the field, can make the throws, very, very accurate, especially on the run... just gets it. All of it. He is the dramatic fix for the qb position. I don't know if anybody else compares him to Rodgers, mebbe I'll catch hell for it...but that is what I think I'm thinkin. Root for the stupid cards and niners to win a few games..... PICK TWO: This pick is hell. The Browns desperately need a SS that kicks ass, can take over a game, could be all pro material... with Hooker maybe staying in school, Adams or Peppers may very well be a feared, well-known ass kicker for the Browns defense. (Not sure about Peppters as much.. maybe in coverage? Character fit?) But... so would Reuben Foster. The Browns desperately need a dominant lb play maker with speed, serious playmaking ability sideline to sideline, with great instincts.... I could find a safety later... but maybe not a lb like Foster. How much more would Foster add to the Browns defense, more than an Adams/Peppers? beats me. or.... maybe Allen, at DE, might be the link to going far more 4-3, and going after opposing qb's more dramatically, which helps the secondary and the lb's ! Allen might be the best DE in the draft, even with Garrett being considered the first to go in the draft. I just don't know if there's a kick ass safety in the second round. or... is there another DE that could also be a great addition to the pass rush later, and you add an offensive lineman, which dramatically fixes your offense, too. To me, the Browns desperately need a fix at center - Elfein is a solid wall. He's been compared by one NFL scout to...Zack Martin, Dallas Cowboys, who was picked 16th overall. It isn't that great a draft in olinemen, if Quentin Nelson and whatshisname, OT, both from ND, stay in school. Thinking that Elfein will be there at the top of the second for the Browns is surely a bunch of bullhockey. But God Help Us All, if Joe Thomas gets hurt. That's why I listed Ramczyk - he could take over at RT, and flip to LT eventually. Or... maybe Ramczyk falls to the Browns in the second round. fat chance of that...? ah, if only we had three first round draft picks... dammit. right now... I'm thinking you have to go with the SS, or Reuben Foster...and maybe one of the olinemen will fall to the second round. The Browns can't defend the pass, plain and simple. Way too easy to pitch and catch against them, and who knows if Joe Haden has lost a half step, or will come back next year fast as ever.... gotta find a CB somewhere, but it's deep in cb's. right now... I'm thinking you have to go with the SS, or Reuben Foster...and maybe one of the olinemen will fall to the second round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Speculating on our defensive draft picks will be tricky since I'm thinking Ray Horton will be replaced at season's end. Call him a fall guy if you want. A player or two could come over to us with the new coordinator. We could change schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 true. A few games, the secondary was embarrassed, badly. I still like Joe Haden on one side, Jamar is more a nickle back....? Maybe it's Reuben Foster. If one of the division rivals gets him, it isn't going to be pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Good to see someone has fun arguing with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Is Kindred not on roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Don't get the fascination with the NC quarterback. Might want to look to the northwest if youre serious about drafting a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Don't get the fascination with the NC quarterback. Might want to look to the northwest if youre serious about drafting a QB. ha. You mean Brady Gustafson? He's an amazing kid....a late round project. a poor man's Kosar, without the brilliance in reading defenses.... http://www.qbmecca.com/brady-gustafson-not-next-fcs-star-quarterback/ or, more likely, you mean Mason Rudolph... he's very interesting, but not pro ready....some talk about him getting into the first round... he isn't ready either... https://withthefirstpick.com/2016/08/16/2017-nfl-draft-oklahoma-state-mason-rudolph-scouting-report/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Good to see someone has fun arguing with you... You got sense of humor ? COOL ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Is Kindred not on roster? Kindred is terrific, but he's the free safety...unless I'm missing your point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 right now... I'm thinking you have to go with the SS, or Reuben Foster...and maybe one of the olinemen will fall to the second round Is Kindred not on roster? And Campbell? We drafted SS the last 2 years....so we have 2 younguns vying for that position already...... ......lets see how the kids develop before we do it again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 And Campbell? We drafted SS the last 2 years....so we have 2 younguns vying for that position already...... ......lets see how the kids develop before we do it again.... Give the DB's a pass rusher and see how much better they all get when they don't have to cover 5-7 seconds a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 And Campbell? We drafted SS the last 2 years....so we have 2 younguns vying for that position already...... ......lets see how the kids develop before we do it again.... well...http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns-team-depth-chart I saw this - Free Safety 1. Derrick Kindred 2 Tracy Howard and Strong Safety 1. Ed Reynolds 2. Ibraheim Campbell. however, a better depth chart shows this http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/depth-chart.html FS Ed Reynolds II Tracy Howard SS Derrick Kindred Ibraheim Campbell so, you are correct - it's free safety, then. Personally, I still would draft a blue chip game changing safety to play at SS, and move Campbell to FS again. Reynolds is smart, big, but not athletic enough to be starting. Tracy Howard is smaller, was a wr and cb in college... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Give the DB's a pass rusher and see how much better they all get when they don't have to cover 5-7 seconds a play. this is true, except all too often, they simply throw immediately to a wide open te or wr. Only superman could get to the qb fast enough enough. If the Browns had their starting qb already - the Browns could go DE and S in the first round. too many stupid picks made by previous coaches and front offices. gilbert and manziel. dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Campbell was never a free safety. He's another TJ Ward, Donte Whitner, big hitting strong safety than can come unstuck in coverage. Kindred is largely the same. Not simply a case of 'moving him to free safety'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Very True, and I am wrong - but reading this.. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/derrick-kindred?id=2555540 makes me figure that Ed Reynolds isn't a FS either.... so, it IS free safety instead of strong safety. ...dammit. except when I read this, Campbell is a box safety, too... just seems to be ... dammit. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ibraheim-campbell?id=2552605 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Very True, and I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfooldoug Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Give the DB's a pass rusher and see how much better they all get when they don't have to cover 5-7 seconds a play. Brilliant! I'm betting that's why they say games are won or lost at the LOS. I just wish our FO understood that concept too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Eddie Jackson is a guy I have my eye on. He could be the next Earl Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Give the DB's a pass rusher and see how much better they all get when they don't have to cover 5-7 seconds a play. Would be my preference as well. One dominant edge player would also do wonders for the rest of our DL's pass rush. Once you force most QBs to move off their spot, good things tend to happen. Campbell was never a free safety. He's another TJ Ward, Donte Whitner, big hitting strong safety than can come unstuck in coverage. Kindred is largely the same. Not simply a case of 'moving him to free safety'. And therein lies the problem... More and more the trend is to have Safeties be more interchangeable, i.e., FSs that can fill and SSs that can cover. Easier to say than to find such talent, but it is what is demanded if you want to cover today's passing attacks. It's one of the elements that has separated great Ds from the pack in recent years. I'm thinking that may be what cal is going after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'm not sure I see so much value in a specialised strong safety. I'd rather two free safeties who can tackle when necessary. Two Ed Reeds over two Troy Polamalus. The strong safety's job is to...deliver a big hit sometimes? Be an extra linebacker sometimes? Set the tone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 The first two picks are torture right now because we simply need so much. As I've said before, a dominant pass rusher can completely change the game. To my immense surprise, I read that Ogbah actually ranks 8th in the league during the past six games in total QB "pressures". Now, he hasn't gotten home nearly enough, but that's also because he doesn't have anybody opposite of him creating the same pressure. Nassib isn't playing well, and that's upsetting. We still have Orchard on the roster, who would actually be playing right now, but since we designated RG III has the sole "I.R. player set to return", he isn't allowed back on the field. Really sucks because he need him, but whatever. Don't look now, but the addition of Reynolds, Boddy-Calhoun, Jamar Taylor, and Jamie Collins have actually tightened up our defense a bit. We're obviously not the 85 Bears, but it's better than it was. Especially plays going "over the top". Our biggest issue on defense is not getting sacks/pressure, and also not creating turnovers. Hell, the one turnover we just got was on special teams. Believe it or not, our OFFENSE is now the glaring issue. We can't score any points, and we sure as hell can't punch the ball in the end zone when we DO get close. It's really sad, and it's something that Hue Jackson has to figure out. With Greco out, we're completely screwed on the line. We need help everywhere. Honestly, there's nothing wrong with best player available. Chances are, that player will fit an immense need. I'm growing concerned about our team having the #1 pick, as we still have a chance to win a game, and if we do....the 49's will vault over us and take command of the first overall selection (their schedule gives them the tie-breaker). The GOOD news is, the 49's get to play the Bears this weekend, and that will be an EXCELLENT chance for them to win another game. If THAT happens, the first pick is all but ours. To my surprise, Kaeperick has played decently, and they just might sneak another win against the lowly Bears (God forbid WE get to play them). Our Eagles first round pick is ALL over the place right now. They are currently in a logjam with a dozen other teams sporting a similar or exact record. It will come down to tie-breakers, and I don't know their schedule strength compared to others. The Eagles also get to play the Bengals this week (I think), and they are REELING right now. As it stands right now, the Eagles pick is between 10-16 I believe. Every loss they incur now will DRASTICALLY help our pick, so here's to hoping. The Eagles shit the bed the rest of the season, and that pick could start looking REALLY NICE. If someone was to put a gun to my head and ask where I see their pick being...I'd say 16. So we have 1 and 16...let's work with that. We take Myles Garrett at 1, and then we take rangy inside linebacker Zach Cunningham from Vanderbilt. "But Jiggins, that's two defenders in the first round and we can't score any points!" Yes, that's true, but hold tight. We have two second rounders this year, and two next year. We will trade one second rounder this year, and one NEXT year (and probably other high rounders) for Jimmy Garoppolo from the Patriots. We have done business with them before, and I think we do it again. Garoppolo has starting experience, a quick release, and enough athletic ability to run the offense Hue wants. He also is intelligent, and won't hold the ball as long as others. This still gives us a second round pick in 2016, and with that, we take a Guard/Center Ethan Pocic from LSU. So here's what we have with our first and second round picks: 1. Myles Garrett - blue chip pass rusher, best overall player in draft. 2. Zach Cunningham - inside linebacker, speedy, rangy, with versatility. 3. Jimmy Garoppolo - our new QB from Patriots. (42-60 for about 500 yards, 4 tds, 0 picks) 4. Ethan Pocic - Guard/Center lineman, versatility and physicality from LSU. *mic drop* (yes, I'm a dreamer, and I'm crazy...but whatever) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Is orchard ready to play now? And he cant becausebwe brought robert the glass back? Omg....you couldnt write some of this dumb shit. We just have to have 4 active qb's i guess. Not like we need any help rushing the passer, nope we're good there.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Is orchard ready to play now? And he cant becausebwe brought robert the glass back? Omg....you couldnt write some of this dumb shit. We just have to have 4 active qb's i guess. Not like we need any help rushing the passer, nope we're good there..... I COULD be mistaken, but from what the radio guys said on the show yesterday, it sure sounded like he was either good to go, or VERY close to it. Like, he'd be back after the bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Don't get the fascination with the NC quarterback. Might want to look to the northwest if youre serious about drafting a QB. Have you seriously not been paying attention to not get it? Or watched the play of the Browns QBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 He better play after the bye. He's one of the guys we need to make a decision onin the offseason. He's had a couple years now he aint no rook anymore. If we go to tje 4-3 full time next year i wouldnt mind seeing him with a few extra lbs playing his natural college position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Well if we end up with another QB I will assume Garrett and Allen are long gone by the time we get to our 2nd 1st round pick barring a trade up. Here are 4 edge rushers left I think any of which could help us, starting with Tim Williams of Bama and then either Lawson (Aub) or Barnett (Tenn) or Walker (FSU). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 I'm not sure I see so much value in a specialised strong safety. I'd rather two free safeties who can tackle when necessary. Two Ed Reeds over two Troy Polamalus. The strong safety's job is to...deliver a big hit sometimes? Be an extra linebacker sometimes? Set the tone? A pair of rangy, ball-hawking FSs who can not just "tackle", but bring it? Count me in... The recent development of the LB/SS hybrid for tough TE match ups in pseudo nickel/dime packages can back fill any nostalgic I might have. Now we just need three names... maybe two, if Reynolds can handle the hybrid role... 1. Myles Garrett - blue chip pass rusher, best overall player in draft. 2. Zach Cunningham - inside linebacker, speedy, rangy, with versatility. 3. Jimmy Garoppolo - our new QB from Patriots. (42-60 for about 500 yards, 4 tds, 0 picks) 4. Ethan Pocic - Guard/Center lineman, versatility and physicality from LSU. You lost me at "Garoppolo"... but I was slipping away at Cunningham... and still torn towards Allen... then there's the LSU OL thing... So, come to think about it.... I guess you never had me. Another quality write up tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Honestly, there's nothing wrong with best player available. Chances are, that player will fit an immense need. I'm growing concerned about our team having the #1 pick, as we still have a chance to win a game, and if we do....the 49's will vault over us and take command of the first overall selection (their schedule gives them the tie-breaker). The GOOD news is, the 49's get to play the Bears this weekend, and that will be an EXCELLENT chance for them to win another game. If THAT happens, the first pick is all but ours. To my surprise, Kaeperick has played decently, and they just might sneak another win against the lowly Bears (God forbid WE get to play them). Exactly. DON'T trade away any picks, we'll have 4 of the top 65. If we hit on 3 of them, we'll be vastly improved. It wouldn't surprise me if they do take a QB with Philly's pick. Eagles could win all 5, or lose all 5 of their remaining games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 I think Cunningham will be long gone by the second first round pick. that would suck - he's outstanding. The Browns need a dramatic impact defensive player. If it weren't for needing Trubisky, you could pick Foster or Cunningham, and a top safety, maybe. It's enough to warp an NFL team's war rooms psyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 and Jiggins - I'd go with that ... the best player available is a dramatic impact player regardless of position, if you draft smartly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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