WalterWhite Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Nick Bosa will attend OSU over Florida, Florida State, and Notre Dame He's currently the #1 ranked DE prospect in the nation and #2 overall prospect for the class of 2016 http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Bolt/BREAKING-Five-star-Bosa-commits-to-Ohio-State--38347748 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sweet. Also, maybe that means Joey hangs around OSU for another year, to play with his bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted July 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Ryan Ginn @RyanGinnBSB 9m 9 minutes ago The commitment of 5-star Nick Bosa will push Ohio State past LSU into the No. 1 spot of the 2016 recruiting rankings http://www.scout.com/college/ohio-state/story/1566123-bosa-commits-to-ohio-state … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Michigan, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 That's a very good get. Crazy genes in that family. Recruiting rankings mean very little until after signing day, though OSU will be up there no matter what. The #1 prospect in the country, a DT, has a good chance of picking Michigan, FYI. I think it is seen as Bama and Michigan 50/50 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 That's a very good get. Crazy genes in that family. Except that the father and uncle, both of whom had shots at the NFL, basically busted We shall see about the "Next Generation". Recruiting rankings mean very little until after signing day, though OSU will be up there no matter what. They mean very little until like sophomore or junior year. Though it is nice to think they would do well. The #1 prospect in the country, a DT, has a good chance of picking Michigan, FYI. I think it is seen as Bama and Michigan 50/50 right now. Why would you not post whom you are speaking of and give us a bit of a scouting report? At least a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Ha, sorry. Rashan Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ha, sorry. Rashan Gary So, tell us about him. I don't follow the recruiting trail that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Rashan+Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Ha that was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Rashan+Gary OK, I see some of those reports that also have Alabama and Auburn high on his list....but also, guess who is still in the running....THE Ohio State University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Current crystal ball prediction have Michigan at 49%, Bama at 34%, and then other teams. He visited Michigan, OSU, a handful of SEC schools, etc. He's planning on visiting Michigan again as well. Nothing is set in stone obviously, but Michigan is the slight favorite at this point. I have also not heard much about OSU. They may technically be "in the running" still though. Idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Current crystal ball prediction have Michigan at 49%, Bama at 34%, and then other teams. He visited Michigan, OSU, a handful of SEC schools, etc. He's planning on visiting Michigan again as well. Nothing is set in stone obviously, but Michigan is the slight favorite at this point. I have also not heard much about OSU. They may technically be "in the running" still though. Idk. wtfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 A DT would be an idiot to choose Mi-, well pretty much any school, over Alabama. Unless they just really don't want to play in a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 I will assume you don't mean that recruiting rankings don't matter generally, Woody. But yes they don't matter throughout the course of the recruitment of an individual class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, if you want to know what I said, read my post... Individual rankings "matter". A 5* is more likely to be great than a 3* buy nothing is set in stone. Class rankings matter less though. You get a lot of points for quantity, as well as quality. That allows teams that oversign a boost. And why would a player be dumb to choose any school over bama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Joey has a shot at #1 overall draft pick, I believe he bolts for the NFL if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Oversigning makes your team better though, whether you're on board with it or not. I believe every single national champion in the recruiting websites era (ca. 2000) has averaged a top 8 class in the 4 years prior to winning the championship. So yeah, the team rankings matter. That Ohio State fans have figured this out and I will take your post, as an average Michigan fan, to mean Michigan fans haven't. If that's the case, then your problems start there. I didn't say player. I said DT. They put defenders in the draft. At DT in particular: Chapman, Dareus, Deadrick, Dial, Square, Williams. At DE (since they run a 3-4): Dickson, Gilberry, Pagan, Stinson. That's to say nothing of the three starting defensive linemen they return this year, with one predicted to go top 10. For comparison, Michigan has a whopping 3 DL in the NFL, none of which played under Harbaugh. Stanford has 5 DL in the league but I don't care enough to see how many played during Harbaugh's tenure. We're also talking about a team that hasn't lost more than 2 regular season games since 2010 and is in the national championship hunt every single year. Kids want to get drafted and they want to get rings. Don't be stubborn. What's Harbaugh's sell? Playing time? OK, granted, but that's about all there is. I will also wager to you that Saban doesn't lose this particular recruiting battle, provided another DT doesn't commit first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 You have the reading comprehension of someone from Texas too I guess. Saban would be dumb to take another DT, as this is the number 1 player in the country. I just told you class rankings matter. I just said they don't matter as much as some think. This is due to high rankings just because you have a huge class. Oversigning does make your team better, but it is unfair to the kids some coaches (like Saban) claim to support. It causes offers being pulled, forces medical hardships, forces greyshirts, etc. None of which is explicitly illegal in cfb, but it's all shady and not very ethical. I'm not surprised the newly minted SEC fan has adapted the "win at all costs" mentality though. Bama puts a lot of players in the league, a lot of busts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Don't deteriorate to the lame ethical argument we've already hashed out extensively. I'm going to skip that part. I was just saying that quantity matters and that's why it's factored into the rankings. Your signing class is no less likely to help you to win because you did something unethical. True, he would be dumb to take someone else. So I guess I'll rephrase: Saban will get him. The guy recruits a cut above. Of course there are busts. They have 17 5 stars on campus and probably 40 4 stars. Yeah, some guys aren't going to start/pan out. Since throughout your whole post you did not address what Michigan's selling point here is, I'll assume it's that (the bust thing). Just know Saban would make mincemeat of that selling point. You know my first post had no aggression whatsoever and yet you went and got butthurt about it. Not really sure what your problem is. But now I know to dismiss your next "woe is me everyone on the board attacks me" post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Aggression? Where? Because I made a comment related to you not reading my first post correctly? Settle down now. Of course you're going to skip the ethical part, you're an "SEC fan". Of course quantity matters. But a team that's actually going to not oversign, and take 14 4* and 5* could be lower than a team that oversigned out the ass with 31 4* and 3*. We'll see if he gets him. He doesn't get every recruit he wants... But yes, those bagmen down south can be mighty persuasive. We can go into the blatant paying of recruits later. I meant busts in the NFL. Of which Bama has had more than their fair share. The selling point? I guess Harbaugh and his staff vs Saban and his, which is mainly a comfort level thing. Getting a Michigan degree and education (a very valuable thing, which i gave experience with, since not all players play professionally). Probably playing time. Being part of the resurgence of one of the most storied programs in college. Playing in front of 115,000 people. The college town of Ann Arbor. Not being treated like an expendable piece of meat. Junk like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well let's see, you insulted my SEC fandom, my school, and the fact that I'm from Texan. I guess that's that ole Michigan class shining through. No, I'm going to skip past it because we've talked about it as nauseum. And the team with 31 signees is more likely to win (provided there is a good amount of 4 stars in there). Therefore they're ranked higher as the rankings are supposed to reflect the class's ability to win. No, he doesn't get every recruit he wants but he loses them because other schools pay the kid and have great recruiters. You guys planning on doing that? Didn't think so. Now, maybe him being from Jersey will help you out, but good players get poached from the north all the time. That's true they have plenty of NFL busts. I'm sure it's not much more than anyone else though. Bama loses all three of their DL this year IIRC. Saban has never shown any aversion to starting true freshmen, even on the DL. Nose guard A'Shawn Robinson started in 2013 as a true fish out of little old Texas. Didn't see anything about winning championships in there, and again, that's what matters to these kids. You also have average women and a terrible party scene, no offense. Also, Nick Saban and Alabama fans generally are laughing at the "storiedness" of your program. So that point cancels out too. Academics is the most overrated recruiting selling point out there. These kids could not give less of a hell. LSU signs a top 5 class just about every year and it is literally a tier 3 institution. And Alabama academics, while being no Michigan, are better than most think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 With all this fufarol, now I am convinced that OSU will get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Did I insult your school? I don't remember? Did you go there? Just curious. I did insult SEC fans tho, they bring it on themselves. The Texas thing was just a stereotype I felt like bringing up. Sure, skip past it then. Rankings don't reflect a classes ability to win. They reflect the talent of the players they got to commit. I could sign the top 20 QBs in the class and kill it in class rankings. My team won't be very good tho. So Saban only loses out on players when other teams pay them? Hahahaha. Have you not seen Bama recruiting? Players in expensive rides. Commits posting pics with wads of cash? Players getting loans thru coaches? Bama is well versed in that shit. Maybe it just seems like more because they're hyped up a lot. You know what every recruit cares about? Good to know. Sure, winning and championships is great. Being developed and having a high NFL draft stock matters a lot too. Have you been to Ann Arbor before? If so when? And what parties? Let them laugh, there is more history here than any other SEC school. The SECs history is grasping tight on to segregation. Some players care about academics. For those that do, Bama can't hold a candle to Michigan. I'm sure Bama is very solid compared to its competition in the region.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You know what every recruit cares about? Good to know. Sure, winning and championships is great. Being developed and having a high NFL draft stock matters a lot too. More probably....to many....though the two sometimes go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Did I insult your school? I don't remember? Did you go there? Just curious. I did insult SEC fans tho, they bring it on themselves. The Texas thing was just a stereotype I felt like bringing up. Sure, skip past it then. Rankings don't reflect a classes ability to win. They reflect the talent of the players they got to commit. I could sign the top 20 QBs in the class and kill it in class rankings. My team won't be very good tho. So Saban only loses out on players when other teams pay them? Hahahaha. Have you not seen Bama recruiting? Players in expensive rides. Commits posting pics with wads of cash? Players getting loans thru coaches? Bama is well versed in that shit. Maybe it just seems like more because they're hyped up a lot. You know what every recruit cares about? Good to know. Sure, winning and championships is great. Being developed and having a high NFL draft stock matters a lot too. Have you been to Ann Arbor before? If so when? And what parties? Let them laugh, there is more history here than any other SEC school. The SECs history is grasping tight on to segregation. Some players care about academics. For those that do, Bama can't hold a candle to Michigan. I'm sure Bama is very solid compared to its competition in the region.... Yes you did. Yes I did. So you concede you did insult me in those two ways. At least we've got you past the silly "aggressiveness? what aggressiveness?" stage. Ok, that's true. Where did I say that Bama does NOT pay players? Nowhere. They definitely do. They're one of the best at it. But if they have a kid as a low priority and say, LSU has the same kid as a high one, then there's a good chance Bama will lose that kid. Now if Bama had prioritized him, it might be a different story. It's all part of the game. Yes, being developed and increasing NFL draft stock matters too. I said that at the outset. Saban has put more kids in the NFL than Harbaugh. Fact. No I have not. Safe to say it's not known for women or parties though. Have you been to Tuscaloosa? Well, that and the fact that Bama's won 3 national championships and 3 SEC championships in the last 6 seasons. They have more national championships than you (and anyone). More bowl appearances, a much better bowl record, more first round picks, and more than twice as many weeks sitting at AP #1. Michigan has more conference championships in a far weaker conference (something Saban will make abundantly clear to the kid), and a better all time record in same. Couple more Heismans, granted (because this is relevant to DTs), and definitely a lot more All-Americans. The programs are about even historically. Maybe I'd give Michigan a very slight edge because I know Bama counts some national championships that technically shouldn't be counted (as if the Jersey kid is going to investigate this, and I'll give Michigan the benefit of the doubt that they haven't). Nevertheless, to actually argue this point against Alabama given how close it is and the recent history would be futile. Your best bet is to pay the kid more than Bama does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard. Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it. I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either. Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most. Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim. Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970. They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too. The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best? They don't have a better all time record.... Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC. But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I say this as a fan of a team who just lost a kid that had been committed for a year because he visited Alabama a couple times. A team with a staff who was left with an empty bag on NSD last year because Kendall Sheffield went with Bama when everyone thought he was an A&M lean for a year and a half. I say this as someone who's aware Saban has signed 5 straight number 1 classes. You are the dense one here, not me. So Saban knows how to turn 5 stars into NFL players. Harbaugh knows how to turn 3 stars into NFL players but with far less frequency (even when accounting for the difference in career length). And you expect a 5 star to say "let me go with Harbaugh." Poor logic. You want to put your girls up against Alabama's be my guest. I'd love to see it. 9/10 people would laugh you out of the room. No, I'm fully aware. I'm not sure how many fewer the actual number is, but it's not much. It's also cancelled out by the fact that they actually have recent championships, unlike Michigan. "Less bowl games for historical reap a". I don't know what that means. It's funny you now want to draw the line at 1970 since that cuts off all but one of your national championships while Alabama has the three recent ones plus another, what, 2 or 3? I know they won one with Stallings in the early 90s and the Bear was still coaching in the early 70s. Not a good argument for you. Yes, I am aware it has only been "the SEC" for about a decade, although it still had some differentiating features prior to that. But the bulk of the arguments against the dominance of SEC teams basically all go back to "well we won a lot of championships in 1940!!" (believe me, I know), so I just like to address the historical points when I can. I never said they had a better all-time record. And you want to criticize MY reading comprehension. "Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC." Read: "Bla bla bla, bla bla-bla bla, bla bla bla bla bla, I'm butthurt, bla bla bla, my team blows on the field, bla bla bla, we don't have the spine for big time CFB anymore, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla." By the way, I never said you paid players. I said if you want him, pay him more than Alabama boosters are. You won't, so you won't get him. Sucks to suck. If you want to claim the moral high ground re: CFB, maybe try actually having an ounce of class in the way you speak. Your language is disgusting and what's worse is you're unaware that what you describe me doing with a coach that has 4 NC rings is what you're doing for a coach that has 0 and has done next to nothing. Pretty ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yes, players decommit and head to other schools. It happens. Bama isn't the only one that gets them. Again, you want to make the point Saban gets whatever player he wants. That isn't true. I don't expect a 5* to do anything. I'm telling you what recruits might care about. Getting developed for the NFL is one of those things. Harbaugh has pretty great footing here. You'd expect 3*s to make it to the NFL at less frequency than 5*. It can be easily argued Harbaugh developed his players more at Stanford than Saban at Bama relative to the expectations of those kids tho. I never commented on the girls at Bama. You started making comments about the females and parties in Ann Arbor even though you've never even been there. I'm an alumni there, but what do I know... You can be a dumbass if you want though. I can't stop you. How were the girls when you went to Bama? Or did you go to A&M? Your comment wasn't recent championships, it was total. You need to stop making a claim in one post, and then changing it hoping no one will notice in the next. I cut off bowl games there because Michigan didn't attend bowl games for a long period of time. Since they have been consistently,they're even with Bama. My comments on titles was in response to yours, which reverenced all time. Again, you need to quit changing your arguments post to post to suit your needs. I'm not talking about the 40s. You don't need to go back that far to find a very strong B1G. Your argument was that all time conference championships in the Big Ten don't matter because it is a weaker conference. I assume this means "currently weaker", in which case your argument holds no water. The SEC has only been around like this for a decade or so, but you want to discredit every big ten title? You want to act like anything prior to a decade ago is the 40s? Are you that big of an idiot? I realize part of being an SEC fan is chest beating and willful ignorance, but I didn't realize it included warping history. But if you conference of letter black players start playing in the70s I guess I'd block dome stuff out too. Remember, your team is A&M. I guess another part of being an SEC fan is sucking the tit of the best team at the moment. I imagine its easier to grab self worth from Bama than your own team though. Michigan will be fine. We're in a great position. I'm not worried going forward because we have a top 3 or 5 cfb coach. Being an SEC fan is crazy. I could never openly endorse cheating as you do. I guess it is your "just win" mentality. Maybe that's more prevalent when it is all the school/area has. My language is disgusting? Right, exactly. I'm insulting you because you're an SEC fan,now I can't claim a moral high ground. You're an SEC fan tho, so you'll race me down that hill. I guess you would start near the bottom though. I talk about MY SCHOOLS coach. I have reference only facts or pretty common opinions. You're going out of your way to ride a coach's dick that is not involved with your school in any way. I can only assume that means A&M us pretty bad. You should learn to make an argument and stick with it. Attempting to change it post to post as a way to seem right doesn't really work if someone is following along. At the end of the day, you're just the typical SEC fan. Clouded view of history, head in the sand, win at all cost, and just generally not the brightest. Now, if you aren't affiliated with your school in any way we'll really have the typical internet SEC fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 So the only kids Bama doesn't get a commit from are kids Bama doesn't want. Ok. I realize you are new to the SEC, but try not to kiss ass too hard. Saban has coaches for more years than Harbaugh, of course he's put more players in the NFL. The average Bama player also starts better than Harbaughs average Stanford player. The point is Harbaugh developed those guys. He has also coached at a high level in the NFL, and brings this experience of the league with him. As well as the majority of our staff So you have never been to Ann Arbor, but you know the girls are average and the party scene is bad. Got it. I have not been to Tuscaloosa, but I haven't commented on it either. Read up on Bamas national championships. Go look at how many they awarded to themselves years after the fact. They do not have the most championships in CFB, they just claim the most. Edit: Looks like you're vaguely aware. Point is, they don't have as many as they claim. Less bowl games for historical reap a prior to the 70s, not because the team was bad. They've played in the same amount since 1970. They do have a better bowl record than us. Some more games prior to 1970 could have helped that. Outside of the last 7 years, it could be argued we played in better bowls too. The SEC has only been "the SEC" we know of today for about a decade. You know that right? You really think a conference championship carries weight that far back? When the B1G was clearly the best? They don't have a better all time record.... Find any evidence of Michigan paying players. Saban is sleeze. He treats his players as tools. If the NCAA wanted to they could hit that school hard. But it is in their best interest to protect the SEC. But damn, is this what being an SEC fan is all about? Slobbering in the dick of your conferences best team just so that you can feel relevant? What a damn shame. Princeton and Yale have claim to the most National titles. Since the "Poll era" began in like 1936, Alabama does have the most titles amongst the major polls/BCS etc. Their titles the last few years gave them their lead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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