Westside Steve Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I'm glad they've postponed moving forward on this bill. I think it would be a bold move for president Trump to make a statement that we need more time to work out a better deal and address many of the concerns of the entire Congress and Senate. And for him to invite opposing numbers to sit down and talk about what they want. Absolutely no reason to ram this through immediately. Take your time it's not till 2020 that the good guys could possibly lose the house or Senate. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 The republicans are in a bit of a pickle with repealing and replacing Obamacare. The reason being it is so much easier for the democrats to pass entitlements and much harder to do away with an entitlement once it is passed. The republicans were all for repealing Obamacare with Obama as president because they knew he would veto it and now whatever they do they are going to own it. I think Lindsey Graham called this one correct. Obamacare is in a death spiral right now (as predicted). Let it collapse then repeal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 We need to go full socialist on healthcare. It is a right, except for the scumbag pukes. Fuck them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 their bill needs some major work, per conservative congresspeople - do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 You know some months ago a bunch of us so called leftists were completely onboard with obamacare either being tweeked and improved or scrapped altogether in favor of something better thought through. We just said we didnt want to see obama care knee jerked away and some stupid rubbish put in its place, per usual conservative practice. "Oh no trump has to repeal that shit in his first week cause ANYTHING would be better than the aca". Well i see u guys got a dose of reality this week huh? Trumpcare was gonna pound senior citizens right in the wazoo wasn't it? So nnnooowwww we need to slow that roll and do this thoughtfully huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Im disappointed in ryan thst he put something forward even republicans were like uhhh no i want a reasonable chance at being re elected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 So the reps have control of the Senate, the House and the POTUS and still can't get anything done? Who would've ever thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 they shouldve listened to J Jordan who gave Obama the repeal bill last year that he of course vetoed, and let Trump sign it... THEN - let this miserable ACA crap just die while come up with its replacement for 2018 - (re)election year for some of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 then try Ryans plan? ammended with no vestiges of obamacare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 So the reps have control of the Senate, the House and the POTUS and still can't get anything done? Who would've ever thought? I guess that it's a lot easier to be the Party of No than the party in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I guess that it's a lot easier to be the Party of No than the party in charge. Just ask Shumer. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 They couldn't get it done even though they needed ZERO Dem votes. And now they are just going to move on to tax reform? Must be nice to be a millionaire and not have to do your job " Hey, we tried and it is too hard, so we will quit and move on to something us millionaires care about more anyway" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Although I'm obviously conservative on most issues, on health care I believe in socialized medicine like Europe or Japan. We could do it, but the fucking insurance/drug industry and their cronies are too powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 surprise surprise, someone's all of a sudden lefty liberal when their bottom line is directly affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm glad they've postponed moving forward on this bill. I think it would be a bold move for president Trump to make a statement that we need more time to work out a better deal and address many of the concerns of the entire Congress and Senate. And for him to invite opposing numbers to sit down and talk about what they want. Absolutely no reason to ram this through immediately. Take your time it's not till 2020 that the good guys could possibly lose the house or Senate. WSS 2018 will be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Although I'm obviously conservative on most issues, on health care I believe in socialized medicine like Europe or Japan. We could do it, but the fucking insurance/drug industry and their cronies are too powerful. I have mixed feelings about it. I have seen government run healthcare at the VA and it is not good. I also have read the horror stories in England and Canada (but primarily England) of government run healthcare. It is coming though. When Obamacare finally collapses (which it will) we will see it replaced with universal healthcare. I think that was the plan all along with the democrats. The republicans showed themselves to be hypocrites on this issue and were all about repealing Obamacare until they actually had control of all three branches of government. They were all about repealing Obamacare when they knew Obama would veto it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Yes the conservatives certainly held their ground cutting off their noses to spite their faces and will probably never get another chance. Nice work morons. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 surprise surprise, someone's all of a sudden lefty liberal when their bottom line is directly affected. Everyone can be affected by cancer or some other unforeseen ailment. That is far different than say people making poor life decisions and refusing to get a skill to make more money. I am pretty fiscally conservative but I have always been on board with universal healthcare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Everyone can be affected by cancer or some other unforeseen ailment. That is far different than say people making poor life decisions and refusing to get a skill to make more money. I am pretty fiscally conservative but I have always been on board with universal healthcare.I'm not but I am on board with universal coverage. There should be a mandate and it should be sliding scale from bottom to top instead of middle class and above paying through the ass and below paying nothing. It's not my, or anybody else's, right to ask someone to spend four years undergrad four years medical and two years residency to work for me for free. If that's the case illiterate professional athletes lawyers actors and engineers should get paid 15 to 50 bucks an hour. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Although I'm obviously conservative on most issues, on health care I believe in socialized medicine like Europe or Japan. We could do it, but the fucking insurance/drug industry and their cronies are too powerful. *blinks*.... Ok. *squints*... mhmm Wait, so you're capable of this sort of thing ALL the time??!! edit: apologies, I have now upgraded your trolling level to: respectable. Carry on, my good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 The bigger problem with the reps, is that they fear the left's garbage claims and lies. I'm GLAD the conservatives spoke up - the GOP bill wasn't ready, and that's that. Too bad the dems don't have any nads to disagree with THEIR "leadership"... the dems are like a bunch of cultists chanting whatever they are supposed to chant. '' In that...the no vote on the gop bill is a good thing. 7 years, and they still didn't have a good bill that everybody could agree on. And the dems simply agreed on a very bad bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Hopefully Ryan takes the fall for this. The guy is useless. Didnt win Wisconsin as VP Lost to Biden in a debate. Failed to unite the GOP for Trump. Not an articulate speaker at all. Both figuratively and literally. As a Republican this worries me. This shit is so off the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Obamacare wasn't all bad though, there's parts of it that I think even republicans acknowledged should be kept. Obama care was supposed to evolve, that's my take on it. I don't think Obama himself wanted it to stay as it was. They had to mainline it when they had the votes to do it, and that's a shame. But frankly that kind of healthcare the dems have been pushing for since I was a kid and always got blocked by republicans cause republicans always on the take for big business. Had both parties agreed to work on this decades ago we'd have something both sides could be satisfied with now. But nope. I actually called it years before the ACA went through when Clinton was trying to do something like it. I said one day they'll have the votes and fastrack something disastrous simply cause they can't wait, as soon as the republicans get a few seats back they'll kill it. This left vs right bullshit has been going on for decades and frankly I think it's time for both sides to die. The people on the far left and far right are incapable of properly managing a society like this. That is painfully obvious to anyone with a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Trump trying to scapegoat ryan, pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Trump trying to scapegoat ryan, pathetic He's the speaker of the house and probably one of the few who understands economics. It's kind of his job to hack something together that would suit enough people across the board. A lot of people need to face reality on some of this shit. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 He's the speaker of the house and probably one of the few who understands economics. It's kind of his job to hack something together that would suit enough people across the board. A lot of people need to face reality on some of this shit. WSS Trump then needs to stop playing golf every weekend and do some of his own heavy lifting. That bill was gonna pound seniors in the ass so if that bill wasnt entirely to trumps liking he should have changed it. It feels like trump did his usual fastrack schtick "just giter done cleetus", instead of actually knowing what was in that bill. Inthink we all know if obama tried that u cunts would have been on him like a cheap suit for not manning up and taking his share of the responsibility, and u would be right. Once again this insane double standard u guys run with.....is there anything you'll actually hold trump accountable for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Assigning the people in charge with knowledge of the situation to get er done is the president's job. You think Obama wrote the ACA? please. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 You think Obama wrote the ACA? please. WSS Im inclined to think he had more to dobwith it than trump and his trump care. But in any case, he took more responsibility for it and its failings than trump is and trump care didnt even pass. I dislike trumps inability to take personal accountability for practically anything. He takes credit for everything including the fact kapernick cant land a job anywhere, true story btw. He's not a grown man, grown men dont shirk accountability like this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Im inclined to think he had more to dobwith it than trump and his trump care. But in any case, he took more responsibility for it and its failings than trump is and trump care didnt even pass. I dislike trumps inability to take personal accountability for practically anything. He takes credit for everything including the fact kapernick cant land a job anywhere, true story btw. He's not a grown man, grown men dont shirk accountability like this guyLook I understand you don't particularly like Donald Trump on a personal basis and you exaggerate that opinion here just to shake up his supporters. Fair enough. But really I don't have any particular respect for someone who does a Mia culpable unless they are actually to blame for something. If I come in wrong or skip a verse or sing The Wrong lyric live I take the blame. But if someone else fuck the song up I will call them out. Not necessarily to place blame but to make sure whoever fell short tightens things up in the future. I didn't expect Obama knew anything about the ACA, which he didn't, and I don't expect Donald Trump knows anything about this bill. I do however expect Paul Ryan, who I actually like, to have a better understanding of it and I realize that he, as Speaker of the House, is in charge of calling the Republicans in Congress. This whole Affair has been fucked up largely because politicians on both sides are dumb enough to believe the polls. People are basically stupid and just decided they didn't like Obamacare. Unfortunately that opinion gets skewed because those on the far right don't want any socialized medicine at all and those on the far left want a single-payer. That means if there are 20% on each end that's a 40% dissatisfaction rate. It would go a long way if the president were to invite a coalition of Democrats to the table and spend as much time trying to work out an acceptable plan as possible. And also to realize that once people get free shit they are loath to give it back. Also remember that everybody likes the pre-existing condition inclusion. You just can't eliminate that even if it's not cost effective. Everyone fears in major medical incident will bankrupt them. Unfortunately in order for any plan to work everyone from the bottom to the top needs to have some skin in the game, and one of the provisions to eliminate the Mandate I believe is foolish and should actually be augmented. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 I don't believe in the mandate - it sets the precedent for the feds/state to keep right on forcing you to buy this, use that, do this/that.... requiring auto insurance is different - it's for the protection of other drivers/people/property on the road, etc. Although, having said that, requiring hc insurance would protect kids in the family, etc etc... except people always could go to emergency rooms - it's just that they went for colds, flu, etc. It's a real life complicated solution - but obaMaocare was a political gambit for winning elections for the dems, not a bitpartisan genuine solution to the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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