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[Westside Steve]

Speed to text you didn't vote for Hillary?

WSS

[BaconHound]

Speed to text you didn't vote for Hillary?

WSS

 

 

I don't divulge who I vote for. Think that is still a personal decision but I haven't hidden I haven't supported Trump from the beginning. I would've gotten behind Rubio and think we may have missed something with Sanders.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

 

 

I don't divulge who I vote for. Think that is still a personal decision but I haven't hidden I haven't supported Trump from the beginning. I would've gotten behind Rubio and think we may have missed something with Sanders.

Why? We don't know who in the fuck you are, and could care less anyways.

[BaconHound]

Well I don't think the first lady has anything to do with anything. I believe you but you are in the minority.

You werent a Hillary supporter or you didn't vote for her? Wasn't a supporter and don't discuss my voting record.

The agenda? Who gets their agenda completed in the first month or two? He has already back tracked on the wall by pushing the heavy lifting back on Congress. He won't repeal the Affordable Care Act for the same reason. He will continue to alienate Congress unless he changes his demeanor.

And I'm good with just about everything he talked about and the rest of it ambivalent at worst. Which scares me because I'd consider you a rational guy.

WSS

[BaconHound]

Why? We don't know who in the fuck you are, and could care less anyways.

 

I grew up in a family where voting was very important but very personal. We always expressed our opinions but don't discuss voting, strange but the way I was raised.

[Westside Steve]

 

 

Well I don't think the first lady has anything to do with anything. I believe you but you are in the minority.

You werent a Hillary supporter or you didn't vote for her? Wasn't a supporter and don't discuss my voting record.

The agenda? Who gets their agenda completed in the first month or two? He has already back tracked on the wall by pushing the heavy lifting back on Congress. He won't repeal the Affordable Care Act for the same reason. He will continue to alienate Congress unless he changes his demeanor.

And I'm good with just about everything he talked about and the rest of it ambivalent at worst. Which scares me because I'd consider you a rational guy.

WSS

I am. What, in your opinion, should I be freaking out over?

 

1 wall or no wall we need to crack down on illegal immigration. I've got no problem greasing the skids for legal immigrants.

 

2 if the education system sucks today it's that way after Decades of the Department of Education. If I had kids and gave a fuck about their education and somebody would give me about her to send them somewhere else and I lived in the shitty part of town I'd be grateful.

 

3 Repeal and replace? I'm all for it. But I'm smart enough to know the people will shit their pants if we start taking their free shit away.

And one of the asshole conservative caucus put the kibosh on that nothing he could have done about it.

 

4 Tax reform and lowering corporate tax? Great.

 

5 Neil Gorsuch great.

 

6 cutting the budget of some of these bloated bureaucracies? Fine. I have no doubt they can do as well as they do now and trim some of the fat that they burned.

 

7 But the travel ban was a bad idea because I didn't see how it could be effective and because it allowed the lefties to scream about it.

 

And let me say this loud and clear not a single solitary fuck do I give about the Russians.

 

 

What else you got?

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

Baconhound is a good guy but I don't think he'd ever be shy to admit that he's been a supporter of Obama and of Hillary.

WSS

 

But is he "buds"?

[BaconHound]

I am. What, in your opinion, should I be freaking out over?

 

1 wall or no wall we need to crack down on illegal immigration. I've got no problem greasing the skids for legal immigrants. No discussion as to enforceability or affordability of his plan. So you are ok flushing money down the toilet for this perceived issue?

 

2 if the education system sucks today it's that way after Decades of the Department of Education. If I had kids and gave a fuck about their education and somebody would give me about her to send them somewhere else and I lived in the shitty part of town I'd be grateful. An increasing the divide between educated and uneducated is a solution? Unfortunately if you have a weak segment of society, increasing their numbers won't solve it.

 

3 Repeal and replace? I'm all for it. But I'm smart enough to know the people will shit their pants if we start taking their free shit away.

And one of the asshole conservative caucus put the kibosh on that nothing he could have done about it. Medicare, Social Security, etc. all social programs with a component of free shit that get glossed over.

 

4 Tax reform and lowering corporate tax? Great. ​Never pegged you as the trickle down guy who believed the christian version of capitalism.

 

5 Neil Gorsuch great.

 

6 cutting the budget of some of these bloated bureaucracies? Fine. I have no doubt they can do as well as they do now and trim some of the fat that they burned. ​While bloating others, see defense. Or better yet let's spend trillions on immigration since the war on drugs was so effective and cheap. These quasi-moralistic jingoistic domestic policies play well in the media but in reality haven't properly been defined for cost vs. benefit. This is the main problem with modern politics, increase what the controlling party wants and decrease what they don't. Problem is the parties are going to keep flipping back and forth.

 

7 But the travel ban was a bad idea because I didn't see how it could be effective and because it allowed the lefties to scream about it.

 

And let me say this loud and clear not a single solitary fuck do I give about the Russians.

 

 

What else you got?

WSS

[Osiris]

Why is it that Republicans are willing to go over "bloated" programs when it comes to spending but not go after military spending? We spend more than the next 7-8 countries combined on military spending. I am all for keeping US as most powerful military on Earth but we don't need to spend as much as we do to accomplish that.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

 

I am. What, in your opinion, should I be freaking out over?

 

1 wall or no wall we need to crack down on illegal immigration. I've got no problem greasing the skids for legal immigrants. No discussion as to enforceability or affordability of his plan. So you are ok flushing money down the toilet for this perceived issue?

 

2 if the education system sucks today it's that way after Decades of the Department of Education. If I had kids and gave a fuck about their education and somebody would give me about her to send them somewhere else and I lived in the shitty part of town I'd be grateful. An increasing the divide between educated and uneducated is a solution? Unfortunately if you have a weak segment of society, increasing their numbers won't solve it.

 

3 Repeal and replace? I'm all for it. But I'm smart enough to know the people will shit their pants if we start taking their free shit away.

And one of the asshole conservative caucus put the kibosh on that nothing he could have done about it. Medicare, Social Security, etc. all social programs with a component of free shit that get glossed over.

 

4 Tax reform and lowering corporate tax? Great. ​Never pegged you as the trickle down guy who believed the christian version of capitalism.

 

5 Neil Gorsuch great.

 

6 cutting the budget of some of these bloated bureaucracies? Fine. I have no doubt they can do as well as they do now and trim some of the fat that they burned. ​While bloating others, see defense. Or better yet let's spend trillions on immigration since the war on drugs was so effective and cheap. These quasi-moralistic jingoistic domestic policies play well in the media but in reality haven't properly been defined for cost vs. benefit. This is the main problem with modern politics, increase what the controlling party wants and decrease what they don't. Problem is the parties are going to keep flipping back and forth.

 

7 But the travel ban was a bad idea because I didn't see how it could be effective and because it allowed the lefties to scream about it.

 

And let me say this loud and clear not a single solitary fuck do I give about the Russians.

 

 

What else you got?

WSS

 

Social Security and Medicare are paid for and not in the same class as welfare or medicaid.

[Westside Steve]

 

 

I am. What, in your opinion, should I be freaking out over?

 

1 wall or no wall we need to crack down on illegal immigration. I've got no problem greasing the skids for legal immigrants. No discussion as to enforceability or affordability of his plan. So you are ok flushing money down the toilet for this perceived issue?

 

2 if the education system sucks today it's that way after Decades of the Department of Education. If I had kids and gave a fuck about their education and somebody would give me about her to send them somewhere else and I lived in the shitty part of town I'd be grateful. An increasing the divide between educated and uneducated is a solution? Unfortunately if you have a weak segment of society, increasing their numbers won't solve it.

 

3 Repeal and replace? I'm all for it. But I'm smart enough to know the people will shit their pants if we start taking their free shit away.

And one of the asshole conservative caucus put the kibosh on that nothing he could have done about it. Medicare, Social Security, etc. all social programs with a component of free shit that get glossed over.

 

4 Tax reform and lowering corporate tax? Great. ​Never pegged you as the trickle down guy who believed the christian version of capitalism.

 

5 Neil Gorsuch great.

 

6 cutting the budget of some of these bloated bureaucracies? Fine. I have no doubt they can do as well as they do now and trim some of the fat that they burned. ​While bloating others, see defense. Or better yet let's spend trillions on immigration since the war on drugs was so effective and cheap. These quasi-moralistic jingoistic domestic policies play well in the media but in reality haven't properly been defined for cost vs. benefit. This is the main problem with modern politics, increase what the controlling party wants and decrease what they don't. Problem is the parties are going to keep flipping back and forth.

 

7 But the travel ban was a bad idea because I didn't see how it could be effective and because it allowed the lefties to scream about it.

 

And let me say this loud and clear not a single solitary fuck do I give about the Russians.

 

 

What else you got?

WSS

1 no doubt we need to do more than just build a wall. Probably simple enough to crack down on the thousands that overstay their visas. Any other civilized country does. Also criminal charges for the politicians who enable Sanctuary cities and or states.

And whatever form the wall takes enforce it. We have borders for a reason. Why do the Democrats insist they be eliminated? Hard to understand the left's scorn for US citizenship.

 

2 the ranks of the uneducated would stay the same. You would just increase the success of the gray, where parents care but really can't afford to send the kids to a better school, and allows those in the middle to become educated. Thise on the bottom won't be helped no matter how much money we flushed toward the teachers union.

 

3 we pay for Medicare and Social Security. They aren't really free shit. Today's more and more people are getting Medicaid which is more and more free shit. Medical Care is a valuable commodity not a soup kitchen, at least it shouldn't be.

 

4 trickle down? Maybe at least it's better than Robin Hood. Anyway unless you're just trying to impress Woody I don't know what the Christian gag is. But yes balancing the profit margin between leaving the country and staying here is good idea.

 

5 apparently we agree on that one and the idea that Shumer is just having a hissy fit.

 

6 everybody has their own favorite bloatd bureaucracies. Saying the military is one doesn't make any of the others financially responsible. Two wrongs?

A little ironic that the Democrats who usually scream that the United States should not be the policeman of the world scream even louder if somebody suggest making the rest of the world Pony up a few more bucks for their defense. But whether or not you're a right-wing war hawk or carrying a peace sign at a ban the bomb rally the military-industrial complex makes money and we still are the worlds Elite superpower.

 

7 I'm assuming we agree that the travel ban was ill-conceived counterproductive. You have to fight the Democrats and the networks.

 

WSS

[BaconHound]

1 no doubt we need to do more than just build a wall. Probably simple enough to crack down on the thousands that overstay their visas. Any other civilized country does. Also criminal charges for the politicians who enable Sanctuary cities and or states.

And whatever form the wall takes enforce it. We have borders for a reason. Why do the Democrats insist they be eliminated? Hard to understand the left's scorn for US citizenship. No way to police a border wall to the South. How about port security, securing our northern border? Do we believe that drugs won't find those entry points? I am all for deporting illegals that commit crimes but there needs to be a path to citizenship for productive illegal immigrants.

 

2 the ranks of the uneducated would stay the same. You would just increase the success of the gray, where parents care but really can't afford to send the kids to a better school, and allows those in the middle to become educated. Thise on the bottom won't be helped no matter how much money we flushed toward the teachers union. This is all hypothetical because neither of us have facts to back up our arguments but from my experience not all private schools have the highest quality academics and there certainly aren't enough "good" schools to enroll students. The "bad" schools would become juvenile detention centers.

 

3 we pay for Medicare and Social Security. They aren't really free shit. Today's more and more people are getting Medicaid which is more and more free shit. Medical Care is a valuable commodity not a soup kitchen, at least it shouldn't be. Not even close to dollar in dollar out.

 

4 trickle down? Maybe at least it's better than Robin Hood. Anyway unless you're just trying to impress Woody I don't know what the Christian gag is. But yes balancing the profit margin between leaving the country and staying here is good idea. Sorry how about benevolent capitalism? The idea that the wealthiest will want to reinvest in the country because that is what's right. The mortgage crisis and outsourcing of the last 20 years illustrate the complete opposite but people still cling to it.

 

5 apparently we agree on that one and the idea that Shumer is just having a hissy fit.

 

6 everybody has their own favorite bloatd bureaucracies. Saying the military is one doesn't make any of the others financially responsible. Two wrongs?

A little ironic that the Democrats who usually scream that the United States should not be the policeman of the world scream even louder if somebody suggest making the rest of the world Pony up a few more bucks for their defense. But whether or not you're a right-wing war hawk or carrying a peace sign at a ban the bomb rally the military-industrial complex makes money and we still are the worlds Elite superpower.

 

7 I'm assuming we agree that the travel ban was ill-conceived counterproductive. You have to fight the Democrats and the networks.

 

WSS

[calfoxwc]

7 I'm assuming we agree that the travel ban was ill-conceived counterproductive. You have to fight the Democrats and the networks.

WSS

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Having corn flakes was bad, democrats don't like it. Using white milk in cereal is "racist" and democrats don't like it.

Nominating a Real American CONSTITUTIONALIST JUDGE like WE wanted, is very ill-conceived, because dems

don't like it....

 

etc. etc. etc. etc. Elections "only have consequences" when democrats win.

 

Meanwhile, the kkk has been recruiting in Ohio. A terrible hate group, like the BLM, al queda, obamanites, the democrat

party....acorn,......the NALSOA.........leftwing anything, socialist/communist brownshirts.... ms-13, oh, wait, I already mentioned the democrat party....

[Westside Steve]

 

 

1 no doubt we need to do more than just build a wall. Probably simple enough to crack down on the thousands that overstay their visas. Any other civilized country does. Also criminal charges for the politicians who enable Sanctuary cities and or states.

And whatever form the wall takes enforce it. We have borders for a reason. Why do the Democrats insist they be eliminated? Hard to understand the left's scorn for US citizenship. No way to police a border wall to the South. How about port security, securing our northern border? Do we believe that drugs won't find those entry points? I am all for deporting illegals that commit crimes but there needs to be a path to citizenship for productive illegal immigrants.

 

2 the ranks of the uneducated would stay the same. You would just increase the success of the gray, where parents care but really can't afford to send the kids to a better school, and allows those in the middle to become educated. Thise on the bottom won't be helped no matter how much money we flushed toward the teachers union. This is all hypothetical because neither of us have facts to back up our arguments but from my experience not all private schools have the highest quality academics and there certainly aren't enough "good" schools to enroll students. The "bad" schools would become juvenile detention centers.

 

3 we pay for Medicare and Social Security. They aren't really free shit. Today's more and more people are getting Medicaid which is more and more free shit. Medical Care is a valuable commodity not a soup kitchen, at least it shouldn't be. Not even close to dollar in dollar out.

 

4 trickle down? Maybe at least it's better than Robin Hood. Anyway unless you're just trying to impress Woody I don't know what the Christian gag is. But yes balancing the profit margin between leaving the country and staying here is good idea. Sorry how about benevolent capitalism? The idea that the wealthiest will want to reinvest in the country because that is what's right. The mortgage crisis and outsourcing of the last 20 years illustrate the complete opposite but people still cling to it.

 

5 apparently we agree on that one and the idea that Shumer is just having a hissy fit.

 

6 everybody has their own favorite bloatd bureaucracies. Saying the military is one doesn't make any of the others financially responsible. Two wrongs?

A little ironic that the Democrats who usually scream that the United States should not be the policeman of the world scream even louder if somebody suggest making the rest of the world Pony up a few more bucks for their defense. But whether or not you're a right-wing war hawk or carrying a peace sign at a ban the bomb rally the military-industrial complex makes money and we still are the worlds Elite superpower.

 

7 I'm assuming we agree that the travel ban was ill-conceived counterproductive. You have to fight the Democrats and the networks.

 

WSS

1 oh you could probably do a lot better job of policing the Border than we do now. Just an anecdote when we visited Susan's father in McAllen Texas we ate at a restaurant on the river and sat there and actually watched people swimming across then a bit later the authorities in a boat looking around baffled. But the choice is do more or give up. Path to citizenship? Yes I agree immigration should be easier. No I don't think that sneaking it should be rewarded. Like if you steal a car I don't think you should just be allowed to keep it. And don't forget your friends on the left Edge don't even want the criminals deported. Not even reported. So there's that.

 

2 I don't think allowing people, the few that care, to send their kids to another school will change much about the bad school to begin with. It's not the school it's the people. The teachers all make the same money and get the same training. So in your scenario, which I don't agree with, the choice is to support the kids in the middle who want to better themselves or to force them to stay in the shit school and screw them over. Those on the bottom won't change, it's their family.

 

3 I never said Medicare and Social Security paid for themselves. Still an entitlement but not as bad as Medicaid. I'm not one hundred percent Ayn Rand.

 

4 I'm not asking anyone to be benevolent. That's not really business' job.. we live in a global Society now, at least more than we did and increasingly so, and unless we go full Soviet Union businesses will go where they get the best deal. I proposed to make the deal here in America better than it's been. Outsourcing? Unfortunately that's the way it goes. Just like automation. A president of the United States can stop those things. Again unless the citizens refuse to buy foreign made Goods oh, well you get the idea.

But like saving the environment how far will the average Joe go to sacrifice?

WSS

[Clevfan4life]

Why is it that Republicans are willing to go over "bloated" programs when it comes to spending but not go after military spending? We spend more than the next 7-8 countries combined on military spending. I am all for keeping US as most powerful military on Earth but we don't need to spend as much as we do to accomplish that.

Its not just the money we spend, its the throwing of money down money traps like the F-35 that infuriates me. Trump himself is sick of it too, he's asking boeing to come up with an alternative solution in case they finally shitcan the F-35

[calfoxwc]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148585/Pentagon-say-reason-expensive-fighter-jet-F35-lost-dogfight-F16-40-years-ago-did-not-special-coat-stealth-paint.html

 

A paralyzed woman flies the F-35. You can't fault reps for having to increase military budgets when dems hate our

military - it isn't their base. Liberal dems/hate group.... don't understand that freedom isn't free. They would be happy

to be slaves in some form of socialist gov. Real Americans demand to be free. That's why they wrote our Constitution.

 

Which, is why dems/hate groups hate our Constitution.

 

Liberals/hate groups also hate history. Their feelings contradict the lessons of history so much of the time. They hate

to be contradicted. Everybody knows the F-35 has problems - but other power nations on earth have serious

money spent into military - WE do it to stay free. the liberals' socialism breaks the bank, like the Soviet Union did,

and they either have to crash completely, or, they get more vicious and aggressive in the world. The Soviet Union

fell apart, Russia wants their power back. China will lash out to accrue more wealth from other countries by

subterfuge, or aggression. The reason for their fake island making, is wealth - political control of fishing and traffic...

and taking more and more countries later when they decide to go for it.

 

N. Korea is ready to go to war - and are a pawn in China's influence, Iran is the same with the Russians.

It's a dangerous world. How many WWII's do asswhole liberals have to ignore before it sinks in?

 

Liberals always want to feel like their everyday emotions should be law. Very strange.

 

Cleve - you should take a trip to the AF MUSEUM. Everybody should. It's amazing how many planes, etc, were developed,

and then never went into production. R&D is required. If the F-35 doesn't go into production, that's history in R&D.

 

But the technology developed will be implemented in many ways, like the Navy laser weapon I posted about.

 

Here's the conclusion - I admit there is way, way too much wasteful spending, and waste, in our military.

AND, in our welfare programs. In all entitlement spending. In all help programs.

 

But sissy liberals only want to bash our military. They HATE groups that don't vote with them. That is pretty much

how it is.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[Clevfan4life]

Cal, the F-35 is long past "developmental growing pains". In any other industrial sector that project would have been scrapped years ago. At this point its a fleecing and the company gets away with it because theres not much competition. Theres always like two companies bidding for contracts and even that might just be a show for our benefit.

 

I still dint terribly understand why they discontinued the 22. I originally thought the 35 and 22 would be complimentsry programs with the 35 being the general purpose multi service plane and the 22 would be the elite air superiority fighter. Bit the 35 people convinced the pentagon the 35 could do everything and be everything in every service. And the results are predictable....it will get "dogwalked" by russian 5th gen and even upgraded 4th gen fighters if they get inside missile standoff range.

 

You can bet ur ass the russians and chinese are working "very" hard to drvelop countermeasures to american air to air missiles that a least give their planes a fighting chance to get close, cause if they do they will own the 35 if the pilot isnt a noob

[calfoxwc]

true, it's a race. but wailing about the F-35's cost and problems... it's tough for R&D to go 5th/6th generation

without a ton of expense and trials/tribulations.

 

Now, cost overruns/tech problems, of course there are. Freedom isn't free. Wait til you get to visit the amazing

AF Museum - you will get a different look at how much r&d has to do to develop new tech. The military is rife with

overcharging, etc... give credit to Trump that he looked and took action.

 

Obamao didn't give a damn about it all. He didn't care about wasteful spending anywhere in our entire national budget.

 

wonder why? Cloward-Piven.

[Clevfan4life]

give credit to Trump that he looked and took action.

.

U saw i already did that in this thread right? Heres anpresident who's hawkish on military spending and even he's over the F-35

[Clevfan4life]

 

Obamao didn't give a damn about it all. He didn't care about wasteful spending anywhere in our entire national budget.

 

.

 

Nonsense.

[jbluhm86]

Give it a break bacon, Trump has done more in 60 days then your boy Obammy did in 8 years, so suck it up.

He's definitely played more golf in 60 days than Obama did in 8 years, to be sure.

[Clevfan4life]

He's definitely played more golf in 60 days than Obama did in 8 years, to be sure.

Whats amazing is that u might be 100% right on this statement. If not now in maybe only a month or two he will have totalled obamas rounds. While i dont necessarily begrudge that of a potus, it is on the weekends afterall......can u imagine the flaccid conservative outrage if obama was out golfing every weekend?