TexasAg1969 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Any team not just the Browns. I'll start with two. 1. Chicago giving up all those picks for a player who was dropping to them anyway. Thomas was SF target all along. Lynch played 'em. 2. Giants taking Engram instead of Njoku, especially when higher BPA Foster is there still in an area of greater need. Ironically Foster to SF. Big winners in both mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Any team not just the Browns. I'll start with two. 1. Chicago giving up all those picks for a player who was dropping to them anyway. Thomas was SF target all along. Lynch played 'em. You never know. I think the Bears thought...perhaps rightly, that the Browns were going to make a play for MT with the Niners. They may have been right. But I agree that Niners wanted Thomas, but knew that they would never get him at #12...thus, whatever offer the Browns made would not suffice for them to lose Thomas. Yes, sure, Thomas was the Niners target.....but MT was both Bears and Browns target...and maybe the Niners played Bears some...to get those picks....but Bears had no choice but to go up there. MAYBE Bears would have gotten MT at #3....but they didn't want to take the chance. But of course, me, Ghoolie, Hoorta etc....we are all so stupid for thinking that MT was such a great prospect. Yet...apparently at least 2 NFL professional FOs agreed with us....and who knows how many others did, on MT. 2. Giants taking Engram instead of Njoku, especially when higher BPA Foster is there still in an area of greater need. Ironically Foster to SF. Big winners in both mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Chicago is screwed. Stupid to reach on a player who only has 14 games on his resume. The Bears GM is as good as fired. Or...they gave up a very small price to get a Hall of Fame caliber talented player. KC was crazy to give next season 1st pick for Mahomes. Were the Texans just as crazy to give up next season's #1 for Watson? Could be. Jets take 2 Safeties with picks 1 and 2? Who knows. Certainly teams need good safeties. Look at the shitstorm the Browns were in last year without any good safeties. Pittsburgh, not sold on Watt at all. Can say that about every pick. Watt seemed a 2d rounder...but if he is anywhere near his brother...it would be a good pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 ^ ^ ^ ^Please don't insult Hoorta by sticking him with Ghoolie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I'll start with the most obvious (to me), and that's moving down from 12 to 25. Free Safety is a glaring hole on our roster, and we had the chance to take the best prospect at that position in years. Now, this is a trade that COULD end up going in our favor, but I'm not sure. We STILL have the hole at Free Safety, and Peppers can be viewed as somewhat of a gamble. True, ANY draft pick carries obvious risk, but selecting a player in the first round that doesn't enter the NFL with a verified position when you COULD'VE taken the best Free Safety in years? Risky to say the least. Yeah, it's great to have that extra first round pick next year, and it COULD be a lot higher than it was this year, but man...I just hope we didn't seriously screw ourselves. I'm not trying to be negative, and I actually do like Peppers. However, I don't like him as much as Hooker, not even close. Gregg Williams is JUST the guy to work with Peppers (in my opinion), but having a ball-hawking safety on our team would've been JUST what we needed. Peppers isn't known to excel in coverage, and I feel like he's more of a project than anything. The ways this trade goes into our favor is for Peppers to be the player I envision in my head (lines up everywhere, blitzes the QB, stops the run, drops into coverage, etc), or if we use that pick next year to help get our QB. I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want. I don't know...that would NOT likely get us THE QB if one of these guys in college is the real deal..and is projected to be a sure fire #1 overall pick, ala Andrew Luck or the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob806 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I'm not trying to be negative, and I actually do like Peppers. However, I don't like him as much as Hooker, not even close. Gregg Williams is JUST the guy to work with Peppers (in my opinion), but having a ball-hawking safety on our team would've been JUST what we needed. Peppers isn't known to excel in coverage, and I feel like he's more of a project than anything. The ways this trade goes into our favor is for Peppers to be the player I envision in my head (lines up everywhere, blitzes the QB, stops the run, drops into coverage, etc), or if we use that pick next year to help get our QB. I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want. Peppers might be a TJ Ward type, and more versatile (special teams). I wasn't crazy about the trade out of #12 either, but let's see how it pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Bengals reaching for Ross... The WR class was thin at the top, but deep in very good WRs. I get the 4.20 attraction, but it comes with a body catcher with an injury history. Plus if you take a WR that high, then you expect him to be, or at least grow into, a #1. They already have AJ and hard as I squint, I don't see a #1 in Ross. Plus it's not as if Cinci does not have other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns1216 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Too early to tell. However, the most glaring for me was the trade the Bears made to move up one spot to draft a QB with limited experience. If the Browns made that trade I would be livid. Sure, there is a chance Trubisky turns out to be a hall of fame caliber player, but there's also a chance he turns out to be a dud or have one solid year and then nothing (RG3). Realistically, I think the Bears drafted someone who will sit on the bench behind Glennon for a season or two and sacrificed a ton of picks to do so. I was upset when the Browns traded out of #12, I would have liked to have Malik Hooker but the trade they made did make sense. The Browns still got Peppers, and set themselves up for next season's draft so can't complain too much. It seems like this front office is really focused on rebuilding through the draft, lots of utilitarian choices and accumulating picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 the bears lol ross so high lol the squealers not trading up to get peppers... who they hoped to draft with their first pick they;ll regret that one for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 I wasn't a fan of the Browns trade back. We have passed on so many good players over the years by trading back. I thought the compensation we got was light moving back 13 spots. We should have gotten at least another pick in the 17 or 18 draft. I would have had Hooker or OJ Howard, or Allen there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 ^ ^ ^Please don't insult Hoorta by sticking him with Ghoolie. Hey, I've said a bunch of times Ghoolie is pretty OK- in person. Met him several times, and our resident musician West Side Steve has jammed with him. The difference is for me, sanity finally took over and I was 100% OK with Miles as the #1 pick. Hoped Trubs would fall to #5 where we could have swung a far more reasonable price than the Bears paid for Mitch. The Ghoolster wanted Mitch @ #1. BTW, can't remember who it was, but one of the media guys was in the 49ers draft room, sworn to secrecy until it was over. If we had taken Trubisky, there was no way in hell they were trading out of #2- they would have taken Garrett. Time will tell who made the right choice, us or the Bears. Myles DROY sounds good to me. Bengals reaching for Ross... The WR class was thin at the top, but deep in very good WRs. I get the 4.20 attraction, but it comes with a body catcher with an injury history. Plus if you take a WR that high, then you expect him to be, or at least grow into, a #1. They already have AJ and hard as I squint, I don't see a #1 in Ross. Plus it's not as if Cinci does not have other needs. Exactly Tour. That was a Bungle move for sure. They'll have two burners on the outside, and no offensive line to protect Dalton. Now Ross' agent claimed the injury history was exaggerated. Hard to do since that would have been gone over at the combine. Maybe Cinci figured taking one of the OTs @ #9 was a reach. Their defense is no great shakes anymore either. We'll see if Mixon can stay out of trouble too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want. I don't know...that would NOT likely get us THE QB if one of these guys in college is the real deal..and is projected to be a sure fire #1 overall pick, ala Andrew Luck or the like. Exactly. Like I have said before, if there is a blue chip QB coming out you have to have the first pick. The second pick with five other picks won't get it done. Good thing for us, it's possible we have the first pick again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 At draft.night 2. round 3. Jumbo-tron Guy jumped the pick before announced. Back 2 Back.Falcons-Duke Riley & Saints-Alex Anzalone both flashed on screen before podium pick.(Opps,Buds were in Lite's). I still sit on cloud 9 on this draft. At my count we got 5 1st round picks with 1st round talent. one is a building block to next season. #5 Caleb Brantley. Huegottabelieve the Harvard boys know some Harvard abuse attorneys before picked.This story is already falling apart. SURPRISES-McCaffery to Carolina@8.... Adoree Jackson-to Tenn as high as@18....OJ Howard lasting to #19 to Bucs(what a fit uh)....Medicals might have got Hooker to 15 & Allen to 17. Buyer Beware maybe @12? For sure it was not Watson..time to let it go. With any luck keeping Healthy, we win some ballgames. Top 5 picks next season keeps us in reach of top 3 QB's. right now for all teams it all looks good on paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I'll start with the most obvious (to me), and that's moving down from 12 to 25. Free Safety is a glaring hole on our roster, and we had the chance to take the best prospect at that position in years. Now, this is a trade that COULD end up going in our favor, but I'm not sure. We STILL have the hole at Free Safety, and Peppers can be viewed as somewhat of a gamble. True, ANY draft pick carries obvious risk, but selecting a player in the first round that doesn't enter the NFL with a verified position when you COULD'VE taken the best Free Safety in years? Risky to say the least. Yeah, it's great to have that extra first round pick next year, and it COULD be a lot higher than it was this year, but man...I just hope we didn't seriously screw ourselves. I'm not trying to be negative, and I actually do like Peppers. However, I don't like him as much as Hooker, not even close. Gregg Williams is JUST the guy to work with Peppers (in my opinion), but having a ball-hawking safety on our team would've been JUST what we needed. Peppers isn't known to excel in coverage, and I feel like he's more of a project than anything. The ways this trade goes into our favor is for Peppers to be the player I envision in my head (lines up everywhere, blitzes the QB, stops the run, drops into coverage, etc), or if we use that pick next year to help get our QB. I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want. Hooker was the best FS prospect in years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 To me it's the Chiefs trading up to get Mahomes. I mean he's so raw he's such a reach in the first rd. Also the 9ers. Trading up to get Foster then now finding out he won't play in his rookie year. Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I guess the answer to this might not be clear for a while. If people here start talking about the rookie of the year candidates that we could have had instead of..... But I think MG is safe. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL. Good pickup Mark. I would not have thought of that, but very similar kind of player indeed. Hope our wolverine works out as well as their honey badger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I wasn't a fan of the Browns trade back. We have passed on so many good players over the years by trading back. I thought the compensation we got was light moving back 13 spots. We should have gotten at least another pick in the 17 or 18 draft. I would have had Hooker or OJ Howard, or Allen there. I agree. I think we took an exciting prospect at 25 and I hope he pans out playing in the secondary....but we should've done better than Houston's late 1st round pick in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Tonight on NFL Total Access 7pm EDT/6pm CDT- NFL Network - they are doing an analysis of AFCN 2017 Draft comparison. Rookie mini-camp starts one week from today. Report in on Th the 11th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Hooker was the best FS prospect in years? That COULD be a stretch, but I'm pretty sure it's not. There's obviously no way to know, but had he not been recovering from two surgeries, there's a good chance he goes MUCH higher. You don't often see FS go that high. Again, this is not scientific, but yes...I think he's the best FS prospect to come out in a while. If not at the top, he was up there. And let me say that I desperately WANT the trade to work out, and I'm rooting for Peppers with all of my heart. As I said, I can definitely envision a scenario in which Peppers plays well for us and kind of creates his own position. I believe Gregg Williams is an excellent fit for someone like Peppers, as he has the imagination needed to see proper use of this physical specimen. However, don't be surprised if it takes Peppers a bit longer to come around. He has much to learn, and our coaches also have much to learn in regards to using him properly. I already love Peppers' attitude, fire, and demeanor, and I'm hoping it's contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I agree. I think we took an exciting prospect at 25 and I hope he pans out playing in the secondary....but we should've done better than Houston's late 1st round pick in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Good pickup Mark. I would not have thought of that, but very similar kind of player indeed. Hope our wolverine works out as well as their honey badger. Hope so....I really only saw one game that he played (against OSU) and he wasn't all that impressive. But all reviews are that he loves the game and loves to play and that's a good start. I did like that he did the workouts at the combine with both the LB and the DB. Not sure I've heard of many others doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL. I was so happy when honey badger fell to us in the 2013 draft, I was positive that we would take him. Then..the browns select...Leon McFadden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Hooker was the best FS prospect in years? Who was better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Who was better?Ramsey. Even though I think he played more corner than safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Adams as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Ramsey. Even though I think he played more corner than safety Then he would not be a free safety, would he? He would be a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Adams as well Adams, in this year's draft? Is he FS or SS? And if so, he went ahead of Hooker, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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