WalterWhite Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 As ignorant and stupid as many conservatives can be (not all, but many), it is the left that will end this country. Media Matters, the SPLC, college campuses, etc. As crazy as the right is with their obsession over banning gay marriage for religious reasons, denying climate change, etc... the Left is going to be the one that pushes us into that dystopian future where freedom of speech is actually limited to what is "approved speech." the most ironic part is that real, true Liberals are supposed to be all about tolerance.. meaning tolerating opinions that you disagree with. the modern left is NOT Liberal, they are Authoritarian and everyday they are ripping out the inner-lining of America. mark my words, in 20-30 we will live in a country where money continue to control politics (and in turn the biggest corps will essentially own the country) and the rest of us powerless minions will be living in some Equilibrium (Like the movie) type of world where things like emotion, free thinking, and free speech are discouraged...because after all, it leads to things like sexual assault and "hate speech" The modern left is literally enforcing their own values and speech onto EVERYBODY. the conservatives are already old and done with.. their values will die with the next generation..but the new wave will be this modern left movement and that is was scares the hell out of me. as incredibly ignorant and elitist as the right has traditionally been in the 20th and 21 century, how is the modern left any different today? everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions...but not to them…What we will have is an elite class who plays by their own rules, and a populist class that essentially live under a form of socialism and a heavily regulated social code and speech code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkHole Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 The right doesn't deny climate change. Like shit it happens. The right denies the effects of "man made" climate change has on the planet. "Man made" global warming is a manufactured crisis progressives use to advance their global redistribution of wealth agenda. You need to include man made global warming as a leftist position (lie)that will help ruin this country. No argument can be made that "banning" gay marriage or preserving traditional marriage, however you want to look at, contributes to ruining this country. Although I get your point, some of that sounds contradictory. Aren't those conservative values you say will die out actually the opinions that liberals who claim to be tolerant are intolerant of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 The big corporations already OWN the politicians. That will NEVER change as long as it takes millions of dollars to get elected. "What we will have is an elite class who plays by their own rules, and a populist class that essentially live under a form of socialism and a heavily regulated social code and speech code." This already excists. We are required to obey laws that govern our speech, actions, and behaviors. It's been that way since this country was founded. Although the older this country gets, the more rules and laws there are to follow And the rich and elite make those rules. For the most part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Conservatism will not die out. The fact is there are many who start out as liberal and then switch to conservative as they get older. I would say the reason for that is most people get a little wiser as they get older. Young liberal voters today will get disillusioned with liberal socialist policies that do not work as time goes on. As Winston Churchill once said, "If you are not a liberal at age 20 you don't have a heart and if you are not a conservative at age 40 you don't have a brain". As older conservatives die out they will be replaced by former liberal voters who will tire of seeing the country keep falling economically and the democratic promises not working. As for the climate it always has been changing. I am not for pollution but I don't see any merit for this country to hurt ourselves economically and ban coal plants when China and India are practically building new ones weekly. That is crazy. As posted above there is too much money in politics. Agreed. As for banning gay marriage I thought we had a good compromise with civil unions to protect gay rights without redefining the traditional definition of marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I agree "conservatism" will never die. But it will morph towards liberalism more and more. As people age they do get more conservative. But that doesn't mean, as they get older, they are going to change their mind on things like abortion, or gay marriage. It just means that things like that will become less and less of a fight , and the so-called conservatives will have to move on and fight for other things. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I agree with Browns and have posted something like that plenty of times on here. Liberals today are't going to get older and grow into the conservatives of today. The liberal social views of today are going to become moderate/conservative. The younger generation of today isn't going to grow up and all of a sudden be against gay marriage. A few decades ago it was "liberal" to be for interracial marriage. Now it isn't even a thought to be against it. You'll, for the most part, keep your social views and ideologies, and where those views fit on a political spectrum will move right as new progressive views arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 To an extent woody you are right. Still as you get older some of these things that seem so enlightened, like if we just loved one another, really start to sound silly and people start to disavow them. Stuff like gay marriage will probably be more accepted but I don't think people care much about it anyway. I also have a feeling the minority of assholes who caused things like Ferguson could easily turn race relations worse as time goes on. And fiscally it remains to be seen how high taxes can actually be raised before even people like Woodrow start complaining about free shit. WSS WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairHooker11 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 To an extent woody you are right. Still as you get older some of these things that seem so enlightened, like if we just loved one another, really start to sound silly and people start to disavow them. Stuff like gay marriage will probably be more accepted but I don't think people care much about it anyway. I also have a feeling the minority of assholes who caused things like Ferguson could easily turn race relations worse as time goes on. And fiscally it remains to be seen how high taxes can actually be raised before even people like Woodrow start complaining about free shit. WSS WSS a couple more paychecks is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I agree with Browns and have posted something like that plenty of times on here. Liberals today are't going to get older and grow into the conservatives of today. The liberal social views of today are going to become moderate/conservative. The younger generation of today isn't going to grow up and all of a sudden be against gay marriage. A few decades ago it was "liberal" to be for interracial marriage. Now it isn't even a thought to be against it. You'll, for the most part, keep your social views and ideologies, and where those views fit on a political spectrum will move right as new progressive views arise. Everything about you is gay this, and gay that. Don't you think about anything else except sucking dick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 a couple more paychecks is my guess ... but i'm making good money at the lemonade stand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 To an extent woody you are right. Still as you get older some of these things that seem so enlightened, like if we just loved one another, really start to sound silly and people start to disavow them. Stuff like gay marriage will probably be more accepted but I don't think people care much about it anyway. I also have a feeling the minority of assholes who caused things like Ferguson could easily turn race relations worse as time goes on. And fiscally it remains to be seen how high taxes can actually be raised before even people like Woodrow start complaining about free shit. WSS WSS who on here has ever said "why can't we all just love each other"? I'm really not fiscally liberal. I'm pretty good with money and was raised very well in that respect. At the same time, I realize a lot of these programs exist to better our country and I should do my part to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 who on here has ever said "why can't we all just love each other"? I'm really not fiscally liberal. I'm pretty good with money and was raised very well in that respect. At the same time, I realize a lot of these programs exist to better our country and I should do my part to contribute. Well in this particular conversation we aren't talking about you in particular. Nor me. We're talking about the way social opinions might change over the years. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I've said this many times in here, drawing the distinction between liberal vs conservative is one of the main problems. Our nation faces economic and social issues and unfortunately many focus on the social due to their polarizing nature but the ruin of this country will stem from the economic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I've said this many times in here, drawing the distinction between liberal vs conservative is one of the main problems. Our nation faces economic and social issues and unfortunately many focus on the social due to their polarizing nature but the ruin of this country will stem from the economic.Well sure that's true, but probably because human beings tend to understand the social issues. They know what pisses them off and who pisses them off. On the other hand economics is Chinese. Oh we might be able to discuss it on a second grade level but understand the way high finance works? Please. Almost like discussing football when you think about it. the most knowledgeable guys on the board might have coached a little high school ball but... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well sure that's true, but probably because human beings tend to understand the social issues. They know what pisses them off and who pisses them off. on the other hand economics is Chinese. oh we might be able to discuss it on a second grade level but understand the way high finance works? Please. Almost like discussing football when you think about it. the most knowledgeable guys on the board might have coached a little high school ball but... WSS I tend to agree but we can talk about import vs. export, GDP, unemployment rates and interest rates with some intelligence. If you asked me if I'm more outraged at China forcing us to sign another free trade agreement that hurts us domestically because they have purchased a significant portion of our national debt or whether or not the SAE punks got kicked outta of OU for good reason, I'm more upset over China. Unfortunately that doesn't make a very cool e-mail chain or blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hey I think it gets used in mass emails plenty. everybody likes to be pissed off at China and everybody wants to crack down on them and almost everybody thinks free trade is taking food off the table of the American worker. Then again nobody who's bitching will spend an extra 75 cents on a US made widget especially if it's not as good as the Chinese widget. And keep in mind why the Chinese can make shit so much cheaper than we do and at the same or better quality. That, sir, is societal. not student protest or banning haircuts or any of that shit but... US business and hiring practices are kind of a microcosm of that. We all hate being cast aside when we are 55 or 60 years old. We are usually at the top of our learning range and earning range but at the bottom of the energy range. so we get pushed aside for younger workers eager to make half what the old timers do and more willing to eat shit. We are an older society, relatively, and just past the mountain top. Chinese are still being pulled up to the top of the roller coaster. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hey I think it gets used in mass emails plenty. everybody likes to be pissed off at China and everybody wants to crack down on them and almost everybody thinks free trade is taking food off the table of the American worker. Then again nobody who's bitching will spend an extra 75 cents on a US made widget especially if it's not as good as the Chinese widget. And keep in mind why the Chinese can make shit so much cheaper than we do and at the same or better quality. That, sir, is societal. not student protest or banning haircuts or any of that shit but... US business and hiring practices are kind of a microcosm of that. We all hate being cast aside when we are 55 or 60 years old. We are usually at the top of our learning range and earning range but at the bottom of the energy range. so we get pushed aside for younger workers eager to make half what the old timers do and more willing to eat shit. We are an older society, relatively, and just past the mountain top. Chinese are still being pulled up to the top of the roller coaster. WSS I refer to this as the "Walmart" culture, if it's 5 cents cheaper I'll get it from Walmart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I refer to this as the "Walmart" culture, if it's 5 cents cheaper I'll get it from Walmart. True enough. I just read a rant from some guy just furious about the shoddy quality of a Chinese made power tool that he bought at Walmart. He went on and on about these no good conniving cheapskate corporate bastards and the extra time it took him to complete his project because of the failure of this particular tool. I forget what the tool was but I can imagine there's not one out there for twice the money that would probably last forever... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 True enough. I just read a rant from some guy just furious about the shoddy quality of a Chinese made power tool that he bought at Walmart. He went on and on about these no good conniving cheapskate corporate bastards and the extra time it took him to complete his project because of the failure of this particular tool. I forget what the tool was but I can imagine there's not one out there for twice the money that would probably last forever... WSS No we are a disposable society so there is no need to build anything that lasts a long time. I don't have the answer but I think these are the questions that we really should be arguing about. We have slowly but surely become a consumer society as opposed to a producing one and that has to change course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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