Canton Dawg Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I don't know what Woody is talking about, sounds like she wants to argue semantics again. I've been posting actual weather related data, like the La Niña cooling we're experiencing. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Opening up you argument against climate change with "It's just a theory" is like opening up your argument for a literal bible interpretation with "faith is more important than critical thinking." Both of these statements will tank your chanced before you even begin. Not to mention you think I'm arguing "semantics"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Opening up you argument against climate change with "It's just a theory" is like opening up your argument for a literal bible interpretation with "faith is more important than critical thinking." Both of these statements will tank your chanced before you even begin. Not to mention you think I'm arguing "semantics"... I never opened my argument with "climate change", I opened with "global warming". These two hypothesis are on opposite sides of the fence. Actually I'm agnostic to the global warming theory...because that's all it is, just theory. I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but back in the '70's after 30 plus years of declining temps, the "climatologists" declare the next coming ice age is eminate. Fast forward 40 years, and with a run of warmer temps lo and behold we now have global warming. So now we have hoards of minions proclaiming man is making the planet too hot, and we must now tax the cow farts in California. I mean...you just can't make this shit up, it's fucking hilarious! I am of the belief that the the ocean temps and solar variability effect global temps more than the man made CO2 THEORY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clevfan4life Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Inigo montoya meme well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 the·o·ry ˈTHirē/ noun a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution" synonyms: hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition; More a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based. "a theory of education" an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action. "My theory is that Woody is a left leaning internet troll". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Scientific theory vs theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Scientific theory vs theory Dam beat me to it. Canton, in all seriousness do you remember ur hs physics and chem classes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 https://www.google.com/amp/amp.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html?client=safari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I am not 100% sure that climate change has been proven without a shadow of a doubt but if the majority of environmental scientists are saying it's not a bad idea that we alter our behavior then I'm going to err on the side of caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 It depends upon one's perspective. Theory vs scientific theory (that's the semantics I'm referring to). Some think global warming is a hypothesis, some think it's just an observation, some think it's a science fact. The premise of global warming is man made green house gas, which was supposed to melt the polar ice caps, and raise sea levels. This in turn was supposed to make polar bears extinct within the next 20 years. Polar bears are doing fine and actually increasing their population. The ice pack in the Southern Hemisphere was the greatest ever measured in 2016, and the the Northern Hemisphere is on track to be one of the biggest as well. These meteorological facts doesn't support the the greenhouse gas THEORY. I believe if you you look at the ocean temperatures, it is obvious that it plays a key role in global temperatures. .@Earthfiles @ArtBellCom @ElizabethMay @DrJillStein @ec_minister Sea Surface Temp Left: Last yr Right: This yr Cooler tropical pacific = cooler global temperature Indian Ocean also much cooler #climate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 The only discussion left is how much man has contributed to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 It depends upon one's perspective. Theory vs scientific theory (that's the semantics I'm referring to). Some think global warming is a hypothesis, some think it's just an observation, some think it's a science fact. No it doesn't depend on one's perspective... A scientific theory and a theory are two different things. Understand the difference before moving forward. I also don't really care what "some" believe. I care about what the experts believe. And I'll give you a hint what the experts think... It's not what you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 No it doesn't depend on one's perspective... A scientific theory and a theory are two different things. Understand the difference before moving forward. I also don't really care what "some" believe. I care about what the experts believe. And I'll give you a hint what the experts think... It's not what you think Well if it's a "scientific theory", I just shot a bunch of holes in it. Drop mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Lol, no you didn't. When deniers come on here and post graphics from some blog acting like they just dropped a bomb, it's pretty funny. You really think you're presenting something here the worldwide scientific community doesn't know about? Also, before we go further,let's make sure you actually understand that a scientific theory is different than just calling something a theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Well if it's a "scientific theory", I just shot a bunch of holes in it. Drop mic. and any scientist working on this issue would laugh at you and kick your mic into the gutter. I pointed out about two pages ago the mistake you were making but....well, deeply held narratives are slow to release. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 No it doesn't depend on one's perspective... A scientific theory and a theory are two different things. Understand the difference before moving forward.I know the difference, I don't consider it "scientific theory".I posted a bunch of meteorological data, and all your bringing to the argument is semantics. That's some weak shit Woody. I also don't really care what "some" believe. I care about what the experts believe. And I'll give you a hint what the experts think... It's not what you thinkWhere do you think I get my info from?Meteorologists, Doctors, Universities. Where do you get YOUR information from?...I'm guessing CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 and any scientist working on this issue would laugh at you and kick your mic into the gutter. I pointed out about two pages ago the mistake you were making but....well, deeply held narratives are slow to release. It is what it is.I haven't read anything other than your opinion. I'll tell you the same thing I told Woody, post some evidence to support your claim (and journalists doesn't count). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I know the difference, I don't consider it "scientific theory". I posted a bunch of meteorological data, and all your bringing to the argument is semantics. That's some weak shit Woody. Where do you think I get my info from? Meteorologists, Doctors, Universities. Where do you get YOUR information from?...I'm guessing CNN. So you're deciding what the thing the scientific community considers a scientific theory actually isn't? You think you're more equipped to say that than the experts? Meteorologists aren't climatologists. Weather isn't climate. Where do I? Every reputable scientific organization in the entire world... Start with NASA and go from there. No, I don't watch CNN. But I imagine this is easier for your brain to wrap around if you can put everyone in little buckets. I mean, shit, I'm not sure you've grasped the while scientific theory thing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 GLOBAL WARMING? NASA says Antarctic has been COOLING for ... www.express.co.uk › News › Science Nov 28, 2015 - ANTARCTIC temperatures have cooled over the past six years, according to US space agency NASA. NASA Admits It's Unable to Solve 'Mystery of Why Global Warming ... ijr.com/.../185975-nasa-report-released-deep-ocean-waters-show-sign-wa... NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California just released a decade-long study which evaluated ocean temperatures at extreme depths, and the parsing of ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Gravity is just a theory guys, now watch me just float away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 That's what your argument needed, Cal posting Google search results without any further research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Gravity is just a theory guys, now watch me just float away. All semantics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Gravity is just a theory guys, now watch me just float away. And its opposite, comedy. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 the·o·ry ˈTHirē/ noun a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution" synonyms: hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition; More a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based. "a theory of education" an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action. "My theory is that Woody is a left leaning internet troll". It doesn't matter what the actual definition of theory is. In Woody's mind scientific theory is fact. In fact, it's still theory, albeit one that's generally accepted as conventional wisdom by others in lieu of hard fact. In fact many scientific theories have been disproven so even though there is a strong case for it you still have to approach it with skepticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I can assure u because woody is a classically trained engineer, he dies not take scientific theories as immutable facts. Because he understands the concept from a higher position of clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Awe, I'm blushing. I never said it was fact. But it's taking facts, data, repeatable tests, peer reviews, etc and creating a scientific theory. A little more robust than a "guess". It isn't in lieu of hard fact, it's created from hard fact. Scientific theories evolve over time, but I don't imagine many, true scientific theories are flat out disproven and scrapped. I'd love to see an example though. Most end up being from hundreds of years ago, really specific exceptions, or something that was mostly absorbed by a new theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Too mouthy woody. Who do you think you are, some kind of scientist or something? Pfffttt........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Oh, no. Definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Do you even engineer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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