Jizzbone Derek Carr

[MasterDog]

I'm not pro or anti Carr, but if the Browns are set on any of the top 5 quarterbacks, they have to use their first pick to assure themselves of getting them.

 

There's no way in hell 5 QB will go before the Browns pick again at 26.

If that happens. I'll leave this board forever.

[calfoxwc]

I've been thinking of doing one more mock....

 

and every time I try, it goes in circles, doesn't make any

damn sense, and I give up.

 

My best guess is, they draft Mack if he's there.... or trade down,

and nab C. J. Mosely.

 

With all these mock drafts apparently involving every combination

possible, at least one may be partially correct. And that's the experts' mock drafts.....

 

Meanwhile, Canton Mike called, and said the Browns draft party won't be

held this year at the stadium, because of construction.

 

They don't know where it will be yet.

[miktoxic]

i'll be in the tavern.

[CLEinCHI]

The difference between a mock draft and an asshole? You only get one asshole, but every asshole can have multiple mock drafts.

I am sick of mock drafts.

The worst thing the NFL did was to move back the draft....just 2 or 3 more weeks of this lunacy.

 

Tell me what happens in the real draft....they we will have something real to talk about instead of everyone just contemplating their navels.

 

 

Gipper- I am with you on this I am officially mocked out, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Regarding Carr - I came across much better in Gruden's QB camp than any QB ive seen (outside Luck and RG3) on the show since Russel Wilson.

[miktoxic]

i don't dislike carr but not at 4.

 

btw gruden is a weasel and i'm sure the participants are well versed on what will be asked and coached up by their agents etc.

 

i mean mccoy and weeden looked good on that show, so..................

 

now, i'll tell you this, out of all the QBs there have been more rumors linking carr to the browns than any other QB. you can call it a smoke screen or whatever you want.

 

just saying.

[MasterDog]

Carr will be there at 26, if he's not then Bridgewater will.

 

The NFL knuckleheads have done quite a job on beating down the Bridgewater name. He's a perfect buy low guy now.

[cuwoohio]

Carr will be there at 26, if he's not then Bridgewater will.

 

The NFL knuckleheads have done quite a job on beating down the Bridgewater name. He's a perfect buy low guy now.

 

Neither will be there at 26. Bortles, Manziel, and Garoppolo won't be either.

[miktoxic]

 

Neither will be there at 26. Bortles, Manziel, and Garoppolo won't be either.

let me write this down.......

 

i'm think garoppolo will be there and mettenberger will have jumped 2 of the now 'top 4' leaving bridgewater or carr there @26.

 

BUT of course as you said, if they like one of these guys they have to go get him.

 

now if bortles is there @4 i (meaning mack and clowney are gone) it's a no brainer.

[miktoxic]

yep and i'll wake up in mexico tomorrow as a migrant worker.

 

wait, mom?

[PoeticG]

Look guys, QBs are the most important aspect of any team. The QB is in essence the coach on the field. He's bringing in the plays, he's calling the plays. He is the lead. Everything runs through him. If your football team does not have that guy on the roster that is capable enough to step up in the biggest game in the modern age and be the guy then you need to go out and get that guy. There are several teams in the draft that do not have that guy right now and will be drafting that guy next month.

[miktoxic]

i think everyone knows that and that's not the point of these QB threads. it's about one another's opinions on who they think that QB should be.

 

in the end, whoever it is, i HAVE to root for the guy because he'll be playing for my favorite team. so even though i might prefer one guy over another, or i might think drafting a guy at a certain point might be a reach (uh hem, weedone) when it really comes down to it i could give a fuck less because whose ever name is on the back of the brown/orange/white uni i'll be rooting for. just like i did for the last 12 guys.

 

this is all just meaningless drivel we fans use to bide time between the super bowl and the actual draft.

 

"i like carr." "i like manziel." "i like billy bumfuck." does it really matter? no. because we're not the one's pulling the trigger and calling the shots come may 8th.

 

but i'm down. let's talk.

[PoeticG]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/14/5614326/derek-carr-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report

Derek Carr 2014 NFL Draft scouting report

By Matthew Fairburn  @MatthewFairburn on Apr 14 2014, 7:30p 2



In terms of physical ability, Derek Carr has everything a team could ask for in a franchise quarterback. So what's holding him back?

The underclassmen are dominating the quarterback talk leading up to the 2014 NFL Draft. Everyone wants to talk about Teddy Twatwater, Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel.

Only one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL Draft was down in Mobile, Ala. for the Senior Bowl. Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr is the clear-cut top senior quarterback in this draft, but he seems to be having some trouble breaking into the perceived top tier among draft media types.

That's not to say NFL teams don't view Carr differently. He's definitely in the picture to be drafted in the first round and could easily be one of the first three quarterbacks off the board.

In terms of physical ability, Carr has everything a team could ask for in a franchise quarterback. So what's holding him back?

Arm strength and accuracy

Carr has the best arm talent of any quarterback in this 2014 NFL Draft. That may seem like a strong statement, but he proved it time and time again throughout the last two seasons. Even when his mechanics fail him, Carr can put the ball in any spot on the field with velocity, timing and accuracy. Additionally, Carr has exceptional touch and accuracy on his deep passes.

Comparing Carr to Matthew Stafford or Jay Cutler is not a stretch in this department. Regardless of his arm slot, footwork or the spot on the field he's throwing to, Carr can put the appropriate velocity on the ball. He's also an accurate passer in most areas of the field. Think about the throws that are important for an NFL quarterback to make: vertical routes, throws to the sidelines and throws into tight windows.

There are times when Carr's accuracy fails him, but we'll touch on that later.

Decision-making

Carr was destined to be a smart quarterback. He spent his childhood watching the every move of his brother David Carr, who was on the fast track to becoming an NFL quarterback. Jeff Tedford is a close family friend of the Carrs as well. Since he could pick up a football, Carr was absorbing information about the game. It shows up on the field.

Rarely does Carr force a ball into coverage or make a careless decision with the football. That's not to say he's not an aggressive passer, because he is. He's just smarter about it than most quarterbacks. It's tough to totally gauge his decision-making because of the offense he played in, which required him to throw a ton of screens and short passes. However, it is a positive sign that Carr isn't stubborn about his arm.

Field vision

The football intelligence Carr has accumulated over the years translates to his ability to read the field and make pre-snap judgments on what the defense is trying to do. For the most part, Fresno State's offense called for vertical passes and screens. There wasn't a ton of in-between. Carr also spent most of the time lined up in the shotgun formation. Reading defenses while dropping back is a bit of a different process. That learning curve shouldn't be steep for Carr, though, based on the habits he's shown in college.

Unfortunately, it's tough to get enough of a feel for how Carr reads defenses because of his offense. He was asked to make relatively simple reads that won't necessarily translate to the NFL.

Mechanics

And here's where we start getting into some of the negatives to Carr's game. His mechanics, particularly in his lower body, are inconsistent at best. He often throws off of his back foot and doesn't transfer his weight properly when throwing the ball. He also lets his throwing mechanics be affected by pressure in the pocket, whether it's rushing his throw and not paying attention to his arm slot or not taking the time to focus on proper lower body mechanics. Carr's biggest problems tend to come with pass rushers in his face, and that leads us to the other issue with Carr ...

Pocket awareness

It's tough to deny that Carr struggles when faced with pressure in the pocket. Granted, the problem was much worse in 2012 when Carr was a junior. As a junior, Carr was dealing with a hernia injury but played through it. He was tentative with pressure in the pocket and rushed his throws as a result. At times he even appeared rattled with bodies around him, and justifiably so.

Carr made strides in this area as a senior but still has a ways to go. Learning to anticipate pressure would go a long way toward solving Carr's problem. He doesn't have a natural feel for the rush and struggles to maneuver throughout the pocket when things get hectic. That's not always the easiest thing to learn at the next level, but Carr has the athleticism and natural feel for the game to pull it off. His internal clock may have been a bit screwed up at Fresno State because he was either throwing deep passes or screens. That isn't how he will be operating in the NFL.

Most importantly, Carr needs to learn to make sure his mechanics are not completely ruined by pressure in the pocket. His footwork, and consequently his accuracy, were too often adversely affected by teams bringing the blitz. Look no further than the USC game at the end of his senior season to see the effects pressure had on his game.

All of that being said, Carr is a tough player in the pocket. He's willing to take a hit and has enough athleticism to extend plays and keep his eyes downfield. He just needs to develop a more natural feel for pressure.

Pro Comparison: Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions

Like Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr has a cannon for an arm. However, like Stafford, Carr also deals with issues in his mechanics that tend to hold him back in some key moments during games.


Final word

Carr grades out as a first-round pick. The improvement he showed in the pocket as a senior was encouraging. If he continues to improve in that area, he could be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Rolling the dice on Carr in the late part of the first round would be the proper value for him. There isn't quite as much separating Carr and Blake Bortles as some people may think. Additionally, Carr is a huge plus in the character department. He is the type of person you want leading your franchise on and off the field.

 

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This article I just came across reads perfectly into what I've been saying all along. I don't take it personally because nearly everyone at work as well is so brainwashed by the media they would think the sky was green if they told them enough. The point is that he has what we've needed for a long time in Cleveland and he's a certifiable QB, who is as polished as a QB can be coming into their first NFL season. We could have something special with he and Hoyer for a long time in Cleveland and it's something that I think all Browns fans should be entitled to. Manziel and Bortles and Bridgewater are what the media is selling but we don't need them to tell us what we need, we already know.

 

Kosar didn't have the greatest mechanics, Otto probably didn't either, but they got the ball to where it was supposed to be. If the coach orders it and the QB can deliver it, it's all good in my book. It's just funny that when Manziel does a jump pass falling backward over a defender and completes a pass he's a genius but when Carr does it....

[D Bone]

We get it. We all get it. Carr is dreamy.

[miktoxic]

PoG. do you have a 'type'?

 

first it's a burly black man now it's a surfer white guy.

 

where does it end?

[miktoxic]

Matthew Fairburn = PoeticG

dissing a fellow BR guy?

 

god what an awful mock. i only looked at it briefly but i don't see any of that happening, if it does i'll me REALLY surprised.

 

is he gay too?

[calfoxwc]

At this point, I'm hoping we don't draft Carr.

 

Poetic's posts are like watching the same special preview on TV a hundred and eighty-seven times.

 

Enough of the mindless slobber already.

 

good grief.

[hoorta]

Derek Carr 2014 NFL Draft scouting report

 

By Matthew Fairburn  @MatthewFairburn on Apr 14 2014, 7:30p 2

 

 

There are times when Carr's accuracy fails him, but we'll touch on that later.

 

Decision-making

Mechanics

 

And here's where we start getting into some of the negatives to Carr's game. His mechanics, particularly in his lower body, are inconsistent at best. He often throws off of his back foot and doesn't transfer his weight properly when throwing the ball. He also lets his throwing mechanics be affected by pressure in the pocket, whether it's rushing his throw and not paying attention to his arm slot or not taking the time to focus on proper lower body mechanics. Carr's biggest problems tend to come with pass rushers in his face, and that leads us to the other issue with Carr ...

 

Pocket awareness

 

It's tough to deny that Carr struggles when faced with pressure in the pocket. Granted, the problem was much worse in 2012 when Carr was a junior. As a junior, Carr was dealing with a hernia injury but played through it. He was tentative with pressure in the pocket and rushed his throws as a result. At times he even appeared rattled with bodies around him, and justifiably so.

 

Carr made strides in this area as a senior but still has a ways to go. Learning to anticipate pressure would go a long way toward solving Carr's problem. He doesn't have a natural feel for the rush and struggles to maneuver throughout the pocket when things get hectic. That's not always the easiest thing to learn at the next level, but Carr has the athleticism and natural feel for the game to pull it off. His internal clock may have been a bit screwed up at Fresno State because he was either throwing deep passes or screens. That isn't how he will be operating in the NFL.

 

Most importantly, Carr needs to learn to make sure his mechanics are not completely ruined by pressure in the pocket. His footwork, and consequently his accuracy, were too often adversely affected by teams bringing the blitz. Look no further than the USC game at the end of his senior season to see the effects pressure had on his game.

 

All of that being said, Carr is a tough player in the pocket. He's willing to take a hit and has enough athleticism to extend plays and keep his eyes downfield. He just needs to develop a more natural feel for pressure.

 

Carr grades out as a first-round pick. The improvement he showed in the pocket as a senior was encouraging. If he continues to improve in that area, he could be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Rolling the dice on Carr in the late part of the first round would be the proper value for him. There isn't quite as much separating Carr and Blake Bortles as some people may think. Additionally, Carr is a huge plus in the character department. He is the type of person you want leading your franchise on and off the field.

 

 

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Matt, the bold exactly describes Brandon Weeden, and you're wondering why I'm saying cool your jets about this guy? He may well be a first round prospect- a low one probably. Should the Browns draft him, he needs to sit for a year or two. What I'm more concerned about is pocket awareness- either you have it or you don't- and it looks like Carr doesn't.

[miktoxic]

pocket awareness- either you have it or you don't- and it looks like Carr doesn't.

 

yep. i think the guy might be the #2 (if not #1) rated QB if not for his lack of pocket presence. he can make every friggin throw. but so can mettenberg. personally i think mettenberg has the better arm but talk about a statue pocket passer. the guy wouldn't move if you stuck a pitchfork in his ass. i saw film of him just stand there and deliver the pass down field knowing he was going to get cracked. sure he had the guts to take the hit but doing that in the pros you'll be gone by week three. the days of having an OLine holding back an onslaught of defenders for 4-6 secs is gone.

 

that's what sucks about this class of QBs. there's not one that doesn't have some type of deficiency that either can be corrected at the next level by coaching or never will. there is no complete guy.

 

if carr could learn how to slide in the pocket (not necessarily scramble around and run) at the next level then he'd definitely be worth a look as a franchise QB.

[Hunt Daddy]

I think PG is going to get his wish. Watch for us to trade up from 26 to nab him.

[miktoxic]

I think PG is going to get his wish. Watch for us to trade up from 26 to nab him.

 

hell in 22 days he could be slotted in the top ten.

 

besides the top defensive guys, i think a lot is going to change.

[VaporTrail]

It's just funny that when Manziel does a jump pass falling backward over a defender and completes a pass he's a genius but when Carr does it....

 

Except Carr doesn't do that when under pressure; he shits his pants.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Its just funny that when Manziel does a jump pass falling backward over a defender and completes a pass he's a genius but when Carr does it....

Well, Manziel does it for a touchdown against Alabama.

 

Carr does it for a 12 yard gain against San Jose Community College.

 

That probably has something to do with it.

[PoeticG]

Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass.

[Zombo]

Have you ever bet on a horse because you thought its odds were artificially high because real smart bettors were not betting it because all of the idiots were? That's how I feel about Derek Carr ... Po G has been so insanely wrong about everything ... That he is probably right about Carr.

 

My biggest problem with Carr is that he is a solid christian do-gooder type.

 

I'd rather have a Johnny manziel with whiskey on his breath and a used rubber on his dick throwing from the hip.

 

Z

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass.

Except Carr's accuracy on throws 1-5 yards and 20+ yards is significantly lower than nearly all the quarterbacks in the draft.

 

So...you're wrong again.

[calfoxwc]

Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass. Carrdreamer

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Please stop. Kosar had a brilliant football mind, and got beat up a lot while still making plays.

 

Carr gets rattled under pressure like a tamborine. I'm not against Carr, that's up to the Browns. Farmer and Pettine rule, and know

what they are looking for, and who the right guys are.

[Adoug319]

I think Derek Carr is gonna be a bust. He just doesn't seem like a winner to me in the NFL. Granted, having a brother who didn't do so well could be good because he can tell you what NOT to do, but still... I just don't like the vibes. He seems like if he came to Cleveland and failed he'd be one to blame the regime and the dysfunction within the organization. Not to mention when he played USC he layed a huge egg. I liked him and wanted the Browns to maybe get him until I watched that game. His one time playing a solid (and USC's defense isnt even that good) defense and he falls on his face... No thanks

[miktoxic]

Have you ever bet on a horse because you thought its odds were artificially high because real smart bettors were not betting it because all of the idiots were? That's how I feel about Derek Carr ... Po G has been so insanely wrong about everything ... That he is probably right about Carr.

 

My biggest problem with Carr is that he is a solid christian do-gooder type.

 

I'd rather have a Johnny manziel with whiskey on his breath and a used rubber on his dick throwing from the hip.

 

Z

 

HA!!

 

yeah fuck those right wing christian fucks.

 

i'll sell my soul (already in debt) to the devil for the browns to win it all before i drop dead of drinking swill for 30 years.

[PoeticG]

 

 

I just found this interview with Derek Carr from the Dan Patrick Show. It's pretty cool and Derek seems like the real deal to me. God, I hope he's there at 26 if the Brass wants to go a different direction at 4.

[PoeticG]

And a little nugget from good ol' Gruden~

 

http://youtu.be/QNo1DMqnlps