Jizzbone Derek Carr

[The Gipper]

you are one smart mufu.

 

that would be a great start to a great draft.

 

but because i'd love that, means it won't happen.

 

i schlepprocked your post and our hope of landing evans. i think he'll end up (after the watkins smoke and mirrors) being top 6 by draft day.

 

but there's always gilbert who will be mocked at around the 8th slot by draft day.

OK, how does the Urban Dictionary define "schlepprocked"?

[Hunt Daddy]

Per Ian Rappaport we're bringing in Carr for another visit next week. Take that as you will.

[PoeticG]

In the end, my guess is as good as yours. From my viewpoint, I see Derek Carr being the best QB prospect in this draft. The fact that others do not becomes a blessing in disguise for Cleveland. If he was more widely coveted, or say, didn't have a brother that went number 1 overall and is labeled a bust, then Cleveland wouldn't even have a shot at signing him. It would be much like the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes a couple seasons ago, he would be gone before we had a chance to lock him up. This year however there are a couple huge marquee players coming out of the draft. Namely, Clowney, Matthews, Mack, Watkins, Robinson and even a couple other QBs like Bortles and Manziel.

 

So, all this plays nicely into the hands of Browns fans and enable us to finally draft the QB with the cannon arm and a brain to go along with it. For many years we've had one or the other, Anderson- all arm but lacked intelligence or touch on the short throw. McCoy- had all the leadership and brains you could ask for but lacked the elite arm strength many covet(or so I'm told). Hoyer- his ability to stay on the field is questionable as within a month of finally getting a chance he goes down. Weeden- Fuck, he lacked so much but in this instance I'll go with youth.

 

If we put all the good things about the QBs that we've had here and combined them into one guy, we'd have Derek Carr. Carr has all the Arm Strength you could ask for or need from an NFL Franchise QB. He can make all the throws. He has many different type throws in his arsenal as well, he can utilize touch on short crossing patterns, taking some off the throw to help the TE and RB make the catches. He is very accurate and can hit the WRs in stride, we won't see WRs having to get on their knees or reach behind them constantly to catch his passes. Carr is a leader and he makes those that are around him play better and harder than they would for someone else, this in itself is a rare talent and one of the "IT" factors that you look for when identifying a Franchise QB. He inspires others to greatness and he is able to do this even at a young age, he just turned 23 last month! He is family oriented and already is married and has a young son, this leads to stability. He is not a liability in the locker room nor is he a guy that will be out "partying", getting drunk and into fights or being pulled over for DUIs. He is a QB that is a student of the game and THE QB that we've been waiting for- for a long time at that.

 

That being said, as much as I'd like him to be available at 26 and get a blue chip player at 4 as well, it's a pipe dream. It appears that if we want to take the next step forward as a franchise and to move on to the next level, going to the playoffs and contending for championships, then we HAVE to draft Carr at four overall. There are several teams that are going to strike if we don't, the Raiders, the Vikings, the Titans, but definitively if he's still on the board by 20 the Cardinals will take him off the board. Truthfully, we've drafted shitty QBs. We've drafted them early, we've drafted them late. But really, we haven't spent an early pick, say, top 5 on a QB since Tim Couch... and look where it's gotten us. We traded back into the first to get Quinn only after he began to fall and Weeden late in the first, when really he probably shouldn't have been drafted period being nearly 30 years old.

 

Spend our TOP-5 pick this year on the QB but it's gotta be Derek Carr- no matter what. He's the only QB worth it and probably the only future HOFer in the lot. He can run multiple offenses, read defenses with ease and can even call his own plays. My only question is this: WHEN we take Carr at 4, what else do we have to do to make this draft a success? What other pieces do we need to acquire to help him be successful?

 

Do we go WR at 26 or do we go OG? Do we need another RB? If so, is it Hyde or Mason? Do we go CB with Jean-Baptise or Roby? What about Carr's WR Adams, could he be a legit #2 WR?

[miktoxic]

Spend our TOP-5 pick this year on the QB but it's gotta be Derek Carr- no matter what. He's the only QB worth it and probably the only future HOFer in the lot. He can run multiple offenses, read defenses with ease and can even call his own plays. My only question is this: WHEN we take Carr at 4, what else do we have to do to make this draft a success? What other pieces do we need to acquire to help him be successful?

 

Do we go WR at 26 or do we go OG? Do we need another RB? If so, is it Hyde or Mason? Do we go CB with Jean-Baptise or Roby? What about Carr's WR Adams, could he be a legit #2 WR?

i wouldn't mind carr but not at 4. he's the #4 rated QB at this point and his blood-line sure doesn't do anything to help his cause.

 

we don't need to draft another RB until the later rounds. and when i mean later rounds i mean 6th or 7th.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

He's below average in throws 1-5 yards and throws 20+ yards. His completes only 50% of his passes under pressure , lowest of all the top QB's and lower than most of the rest of the QB pack.

 

But makes all the throws?

[Flyin J]

From my viewpoint, I see Derek Carr

I feel like I should notify the authorities....get out of the mans freakin closet.

[D Bone]

Spend our TOP-5 pick this year on the QB but it's gotta be Derek Carr- no matter what. He's the only QB worth it and probably the only future HOFer in the lot. He can run multiple offenses, read defenses with ease and can even call his own plays. My only question is this: WHEN we take Carr at 4, what else do we have to do to make this draft a success? What other pieces do we need to acquire to help him be successful?

 

Do we go WR at 26 or do we go OG? Do we need another RB? If so, is it Hyde or Mason? Do we go CB with Jean-Baptise or Roby? What about Carr's WR Adams, could he be a legit #2 WR?

 

Shoot me now

[cuwoohio]

Not particularly thrilled with Carr at 4 either, but he won't be there at 26. I still think the Browns may do some wheeling and dealing in regards to the QB. Add another veteran and maybe grab a project QB later. Murray, Garoppolo, McCarron, Mettenberger etc.

[D Bone]

Not particularly thrilled with Carr at 4 either, but he won't be there at 26. I still think the Browns may do some wheeling and dealing in regards to the QB. Add another veteran and maybe grab a project QB later. Murray, Garoppolo, McCarron, Mettenberger etc.

 

If we can't get Carr at 26, then I'm fine with Murray or Garoppolo in the proper round. Carr at 4, and I'm gonna need a new TV.

[Canton Mike]

I don't recall a draft year where even the #1 pick is a multiple choice question of not only player, but position. I am going to really enjoy going to the Browns Draft Party & am prepared for some surprises. I am just SO glad that Banner & Lombardi are gone. At least this year, those surprises may make sense. I guess we should thank those two for trading a couple picks last year into this years draft where CAPABLE folks will make those picks.

Interesting draft to say the least...again, we'll see.

 

Mike

[miktoxic]

I don't recall a draft year where even the #1 pick is a multiple choice question of not only player, but position. I am going to really enjoy going to the Browns Draft Party & am prepared for some surprises. I am just SO glad that Banner & Lombardi are gone. At least this year, those surprises may make sense. I guess we should thank those two for trading a couple picks last year into this years draft where CAPABLE folks will make those picks.

Interesting draft to say the least...again, we'll see.

 

Mike

 

if i was there i'd join ya. i feel the same way about this FO.......EVEN BEFORE THE FRIGGIN DRAFT! usually i wait until then to form an opinion but these guys exude confidence and strength. i feel it'll have a trickle down affect on the players cuz it sure as hell gives me confidence.

 

every year i'm optimistic only to be disappointed. got a new vibe this year. can't explain it. maybe it's what they've done in the off-season, the way these guys talk and the amount of picks we have to do some real damage in this draft in 3 1/2 weeks.

[D Bone]

^^^^ Agreed! This FO & coaching staff has already done more to impress me than all of the other regimes combined........... The only exception being the ass rape of Indy's 26th pick for a complete and total bust that will be out of the league by 2016.

[miktoxic]

^^^^ Agreed! This FO & coaching staff has already done more to impress me than all of the other regimes combined........... The only exception being the ass rape of Indy's 26th pick for a complete and total bust that will be out of the league by 2016.

 

saw an interview with pagano today on nfl network and expects big things from TR this year.

 

well if it isn't this year i say TR will be seen as one of a long list of top 5 busts.

[miktoxic]

i don't think any of these guys deserve first round rankings except bortles and manziel because of the 'it' factor. but if we draft carr in the 20s i got no problem with that nor should you. he's not a guy that you're going to start over hoyer unless he blows the lid off in TC and preseason.

 

picking a QB at 4 means he's starting day 1. are you comfortable with any of these guys doing that?

 

i sure as hell am not.

[Westside Steve]

i don't think any of these guys deserve first round rankings except bortles and manziel because of the 'it' factor. but if we draft carr in the 20s i got no problem with that nor should you. he's not a guy that you're going to start over hoyer unless he blows the lid off in TC and preseason.

 

picking a QB at 4 means he's starting day 1. are you comfortable with any of these guys doing that?

 

i sure as hell am not.

Hell no Tox.

WSS

[Flyin J]

i don't think any of these guys deserve first round rankings except bortles and manziel because of the 'it' factor. but if we draft carr in the 20s i got no problem with that nor should you. he's not a guy that you're going to start over hoyer unless he blows the lid off in TC and preseason.

 

picking a QB at 4 means he's starting day 1. are you comfortable with any of these guys doing that?

 

i sure as hell am not.

I agree I wouldnt want any starting day one unless they fully deserve it, but I disagree they'd be forced into that role with Hoyer on the roster.

[miktoxic]

but I disagree they'd be forced into that role with Hoyer on the roster.

 

see you are making a lot of people's argument for 'us' then. if it's gonna be a project guy (as in sit him for a couple of years etc.) why do you need to draft a QB at four? or even with our second pick? hell, why not wait until next year to get the guy we all know farmer wants anyway?

[Flyin J]

 

see you are making a lot of people's argument for 'us' then. if it's gonna be a project guy (as in sit him for a couple of years etc.) why do you need to draft a QB at four? or even with our second pick? hell, why not wait until next year to get the guy we all know farmer wants anyway?

There aren't many QBs ever drafted that are day one starters, if you expect to win. Hoyer is intriguing but you cant go into the season banking on him working out. We have a win now roster, and imo were in great position to add our QB of choice now. We'll find out how confident Farmer/Pettine is in Hoyer by how long they wait on a QB. You can never wait till next year for a QB. Way too many variables. He could blow out a knee, go before we pick, not come out, completely suck.....you just never know. I certainly hope that were not in a position to get a top QB next year.....do you?

[miktoxic]

We have a win now roster, and imo were in great position to add our QB of choice now.

 

I certainly hope that were not in a position to get a top QB next year.....do you?

your 2nd point first: hell no. i think it would be demoralizing to an up and coming team. i expect big things this year.

 

BUT (to your first point)

 

if they pick a guy at four, don't you HAVE to start him? i mean that used to be the theory. every highly (first round) drafted QB in recent years has started day one. we can go down the list but we don't have to.

 

that's why this year's crop of 'highly ranked' QBs scare the shit out of me and i wouldn't pick one at 4, but that's just my opinion. i tell you what if we don't fix the problem on the right side of the line any QB we have might not last to see game 16 and that might be more demoralizing than a losing record.

[J0hnnybg00d]

The best way to tank for Mariota would be to draft one of these top 4 and start him day one. Guaranteed High pick in 2015 with any of these top 4.

[miktoxic]

The best way to tank for Mariota would be to draft one of these top 4 and start him day one. Guaranteed High pick in 2015 with any of these top 4.

i hear you and agree.

 

but i don't see 'tank' in anything about farmer and pettine. if they draft a guy and find out through the TC and preseason that he's the real deal, start him. if they find out he's a colt mccoy get ready to belly-up next year and be all-in on either mariota or hundley. i'm sure by this time next year there'll be a couple of other names being bantered around as well.

[BrownieMan]

This mock has us taking David Carr at 4, and I can't believe it.

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php

 

If we pass on all of those guys, I may pull my hair out.

[Nuckin Futz]

This mock has us taking David Carr at 4, and I can't believe it.

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php

 

If we pass on all of those guys, I may pull my hair out.

 

 

 

[The Gipper]

The difference between a mock draft and an asshole? You only get one asshole, but every asshole can have multiple mock drafts.

I am sick of mock drafts.

The worst thing the NFL did was to move back the draft....just 2 or 3 more weeks of this lunacy.

 

Tell me what happens in the real draft....they we will have something real to talk about instead of everyone just contemplating their navels.

[BrownieMan]

 

 

My thoughts exactly if we pick him...

[miktoxic]

it's not the only mock i've seen the browns taking him at 4.

 

he might be their guy but it'd be dumb to take him there. i could see a trade down to switch places with a team in the bottom of top ten or early teens, get another pick and move up to mid teens.

 

i wouldn't take any of these guys at 4.

[beare]

I dont even like carr at 26 if they take him at 4 id puke

[BrownieMan]

I think the reason they would take him at 4 is they are scared Oakland would take him at 5. God I would be so mad though.

[miktoxic]

most of the mocks have us taking bridgewater and i'd puke if that happened, especially if mack is on the board.

[cuwoohio]

I'm not pro or anti Carr, but if the Browns are set on any of the top 5 quarterbacks, they have to use their first pick to assure themselves of getting them.