Tour2ma Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 It would really really surprise me. A lot No matter how JFF plays. Imagine what it says if they pulled Johnny after 2 games? Would they risk all that hooplah and craziness for a one game peek at Shaw? You think? Really? It could be as simple as saying we want to give Connor some work. And fuck the hoopla... if this team is going to be run by mob rule, it will never amount to anything. IF JM takes a pummeling at CAR even close to what he took vs. CIN, I would sit him and say "better luck next year, son, and by luck I mean work your ass off." Lay the poor performances on him or lay it on the other 52 men on the roster... whatever, but if you think Johnny-boy could possibly be damaged more by sitting at BLT than by a suckage trifecta, then we'll just have to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 fuck the hoopla... if this team is going to be run by mob rule, it will never amount to anything. IF JM takes a pummeling at CAR even close to what he took vs. CIN, I would sit him and say "better luck next year, son, and by luck I mean work your ass off." . Ok...I guess the noise really can't get any louder, can it? And if JFF looks just as bad this week (is that even possible?????), then ok, why not? As an aside, I just listened to his pressy and he said all the right things. Except he kept referencing "college" like all his fans do and I noticed he kept changing his words.....I think he is being coached NOT to mention college anymore..... Like.... "Back at A & M...er....I mean, in the past, Ive had some bad games, but blah blah bah or.... "When I was in college, er, um, I mean, prior to this weeks game, I blah blah blah.... I could be wrong, but thats how it sounded to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browns23 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Considering Pettine's leash on players (cutting Tate, making West inactive, and not putting in Manziel until forced by Hoyer) we know that Shaw can't be even close to a competent NFL QB at this juncture in his career. I think that his unwillingness to go to Manziel earlier proves that he knows what he is doing, not trying to bad mouth Johnny but he did have a rather unspectacular first start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Ok...I guess the noise really can't get any louder, can it? And if JFF looks just as bad this week (is that even possible?????), then ok, why not? As an aside, I just listened to his pressy and he said all the right things. Except he kept referencing "college" like all his fans do and I noticed he kept changing his words.....I think he is being coached NOT to mention college anymore..... Like.... "Back at A & M...er....I mean, in the past, Ive had some bad games, but blah blah bah or.... "When I was in college, er, um, I mean, prior to this weeks game, I blah blah blah.... I could be wrong, but thats how it sounded to me Well you have to remember he should still be in college. He is a kid. Going to take awhile to get that out of his system. Time to man up and prove his worth or get out of dodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPotter Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too. Sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If you watch the few plays Johnny had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for two years at A & M. When Johnny takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too. Sounds familiar. I fixed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 If you watch the few plays Shaw had during the pre-season game you'll see what we had for four years at South Carolina. When Shaw takes the field he's in charge and the team responds. He's a real leader, his gritty determination brings out the best in other players and he is not short on talent. He may not win every game but neither does Manning or Brady. His time on the field was the most exciting part of that pre-season game and he can bring that to every game he plays for the Cleveland Browns given the chance. We just want to see him play again and you will too. Hey now we got Gamecocks to go along with the Aggies Maybe we should make a thread Shaw vs Manziel and restrict it to the SC guys and the ATM guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Do we want that agreement?? I think we are in trouble at the QB spot for a while. hoyer was above average and led us to 7 wins this year. the competition read the book on him and with the loss of mack ergo the loss of the running game has led to our qbs getting bum rushed like people looting stores after a controversial ruling. hopefully manziel looks better this week but if he still looks like shit the last 2 games i betcha they offer hoyer something. it's whether he accepts is the question. slim pickings for FA QBs coming out, so if farmer decides to draft another QB it will prob be in the later rounds looking for a gem, cuz god knows there are some serious holes to plug on the lines. oh but to answer the original question, i wouldn't start shaw. why ruin 2 rookies in 3 weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPotter Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 You are right bbedward, we have no business posting here and I will let this be my last. I did not intend a Shaw vs Manziel comment. If Shaw has the stuff to make it in the pros, there's a coach somewhere that will give him the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 You are right bbedward, we have no business posting here and I will let this be my last. I did not intend a Shaw vs Manziel comment. If Shaw has the stuff to make it in the pros, there's a coach somewhere that will give him the chance. No reason to leave... it's just we've heard so much, so similar to your Connor post about "Johnny-kins" that we are very, very weary. Shaw did nothing of note in pre-season. Played OK against scrubs... did not come out onto the field with his jock on over his pants... that's about it. Not saying he can't develop... or even that he hasn't in the past 4 months. No idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 You are right bbedward, we have no business posting here and I will let this be my last. I did not intend a Shaw vs Manziel comment. If Shaw has the stuff to make it in the pros, there's a coach somewhere that will give him the chance. Jeesh, too sensitive. Your interest is Shaw, Shaw's a brown, so it makes sense to talk about him here (which we are doing) I like his potential, but I don't think his chance is in the very near future and that's probably in his best interests for his long term future, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Some people can't handle this board and get shitty when they figure out its not like the official gamecocks forum where you can't say ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 You have to give Manziel a few more games. If he still doesn't get it, no harm in letting Shaw show what he can do. Biggest reason? Manziel showboating on his own time, and not working as hard as he should have. Seems he SAID he worked to be ready. But he learned that NFL gametime is a different deal than practice. I really liked Garapollo in the draft. And Shaw. But Manziel may very well light it up in a game or two, and everybody will be happy. Ok, not on this board, but a lot of other places....@@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPotter Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm not too sensitive and kiss my ass is as common in Gamecock country as Clemson sucks. I actually thought I was intruding on your board. I'm not a Browns fan yet. We don't get many Browns games down here. We do follow Shaw and would like to see more Browns games if he gets an opportunity to play. The Gamecocks had a similar record to the Browns before we got Shaw, Jefferies, Lattimore and Clowney. Even with Spurrier we basically sucked during his first years at South Carolina and we have started to suck again now that now that those guys are gone. Who knows, maybe the Browns will pull together some similar talent and maybe Shaw will be there to lead them. We hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm not too sensitive and kiss my ass is as common in Gamecock country as Clemson sucks. I actually thought I was intruding on your board. I'm not a Browns fan yet. We don't get many Browns games down here. We do follow Shaw and would like to see more Browns games if he gets an opportunity to play. The Gamecocks had a similar record to the Browns before we got Shaw, Jefferies, Lattimore and Clowney. Even with Spurrier we basically sucked during his first years at South Carolina and we have started to suck again now that now that those guys are gone. Who knows, maybe the Browns will pull together some similar talent and maybe Shaw will be there to lead them. We hope so. To me Shaw sounds a lot the same as Manziel, at least on paper. Missing most of the tangible physical tools, but has the grit & determination to overcome those things and win. We've only gotten a glimpse, but he looked better than expected in that one small opportunity....so there is hope he will be something someday..... Gotta say I HOPE we dont see him anytime soon, as that would mean we are down to Plan C and Im still holding hope for Plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'd be happy to see him light it up if manziel sucks as much as the talking heads now say he does. But the fact that he's a practice squad qb doesn't bode too well for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Do yourself a favor and don't become a browns fan if shaw ever starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 To me Shaw sounds a lot the same as Manziel, at least on paper. Missing most of the tangible physical tools, but has the grit & determination to overcome those things and win. LOL... just where did our paths diverge? Sounds more like Hoyer than Manziel to me. I think of Manziel as having physical tools, i.e., arm and quicks, that neither Hoyer nor Shaw have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 LOL... just where did our paths diverge? Sounds more like Hoyer than Manziel to me. I think of Manziel as having physical tools, i.e., arm and quicks, that neither Hoyer nor Shaw have. Shaw is pretty quick, but I do think he's closer to Hoyer than Manziel in terms physical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yes he does remind me of Alex Smith. I was aghast when they drafted Manziel also. But think we might give him a chance. And if we keep Connor Shaw that may end up a good thing. My pick was Carr or Garapollo. Considering we already had Hoyer, The rookie could sit and learn the first year. They didn't do that. Farmer passed on a stud wide receiver and then went with a media circus. It seems that we are just cursed no matter who's running the show. So I will pray Manziel or Shaw work out. I doubt it but hope they've learned a lesson and draft or at least scout better in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 We start Manziel or trade him next year then it's back to the drawing board. Ugh is this painful. Why not just play him and get a veteran backup who could mentor Shaw or someone like Braxton Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 LOL... just where did our paths diverge? Sounds more like Hoyer than Manziel to me. I think of Manziel as having physical tools, i.e., arm and quicks, that neither Hoyer nor Shaw have. Ha!...I should have said tangible physical attributes and prototype tools....you know, the stuff you usually hear when talking QB's.....like....size, strength, exp in NFL system, reading defenses, etc... For whatever reason, I think of shaw as a smaller more mobile back and dont see Hoyer in that same light....perspectives are funny sometimes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 We start Manziel or trade him next year then it's back to the drawing board. Ugh is this painful. Why not just play him and get a veteran backup who could mentor Shaw or someone like Braxton Miller. I think QB "mentoring" is fallacious. Other than setting an example of how to prepare, how hard to work there's little teaching. That's what QB coaches are paid to do. Ours, Dowell Loggains, big claim to fame as best I can tell is raising Jake Lockers game last year in TN. So maybe we can do better. Bernie? Care to contribute rather than carp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm not too sensitive and kiss my ass is as common in Gamecock country as Clemson sucks. I actually thought I was intruding on your board. I'm not a Browns fan yet. We don't get many Browns games down here. We do follow Shaw and would like to see more Browns games if he gets an opportunity to play. The Gamecocks had a similar record to the Browns before we got Shaw, Jefferies, Lattimore and Clowney. Even with Spurrier we basically sucked during his first years at South Carolina and we have started to suck again now that now that those guys are gone. Who knows, maybe the Browns will pull together some similar talent and maybe Shaw will be there to lead them. We hope so. We have had a Connor Shaw type succeed here before: Mr. Brian Sipe was a 13th round pick back in 1972 (with now 7 rounds he would have been a UDFA just like Shaw). He took over for an overhyped first round pick (Phipps)....and became the Browns all time leading passer. Sipe stature is similar to Shaw's. So it is possible that a guy like him could succeed after a few year. Sipe himself spent 2 years on the taxi squad before being put on the regular roster. So, be patient.....you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ha!...I should have said tangible physical attributes and prototype tools....you know, the stuff you usually hear when talking QB's.....like....size, strength, exp in NFL system, reading defenses, etc... For whatever reason, I think of shaw as a smaller more mobile back and dont see Hoyer in that same light....perspectives are funny sometimes.... The system in SC was simple not close to an NFL defense - so being able to pick it up and read more complex routes on nfl coverages was one of his questions. Otherwise average arm and probably Alex smith like mobility. They say he's smart, from a coaching family or whatever. Could pan out someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darubes Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 No.Plus I don't think Johnny is going to look very good this week or next week either.Both Carolina and Baltimore are fighting for a playoff spot with the Browns having nothing to play for AND they both have very good defenses.Look out for Merrill Hoge in the next few weeks plus the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 My first impression of Shaw in the pre season ( albeit short) was he looked comfortable in the pocket and went through his progressions without a lot of dancing around. I thought he looked promising. The thing that troubles me is what kind of offense are we trying to run ? Hoyer and Shaw are similar in style but Manziel is a Colin Crippledick or RG III type. It's evident to me by last weeks debacle we weren't sure what the hell we were doing. It's no wonder the entire team looked so bad. Are we going to run the read option of which I'm not a big fan. It takes too long to develop, or pound the ball running north south and use the PAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 I've been very open about JFF. He can improve on some areas of his game but there's 2 things he can never change. His height and his arm..... Neither can Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, or Doug Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tackman Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Why not Shaw ? We have UDFAs beating out other draft picks. Plus I thought it was required for the Browns to be down to the 3rd QB at seasons end ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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