BrownsFan4Evr Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Article by By Mike Freeman The Pittsburgh Steelers, as we know them, are dead. This team is no longer great. This franchise is no longer elite. The Steelers are the Dallas Cowboys of the AFC. It's time to face the fact they're just not that good and haven't been for some time. This franchise reeks of ineffectual, of ripe-for-the-taking. I'd take Cleveland's roster over the Steelers'. Or I'd take the Vikings', even. No, this isn't reactionary to possibly the worst regular-season loss in the recent history of the Pittsburgh franchise, the Steelers falling 27-24 to the Buccaneers on Sunday. The Steelers, especially on the defensive side of the football, have been slipping for some time. This loss, the biggest upset of the NFL season so far, just epitomizes that disturbing fall. I also get that the Steelers have retooled and gotten younger in spots, but they just brought back James Harrison, who is 200 years old. That speaks volumes about their young talent. When you look at what has always made the Steelers so formidable—that defense—there are very few players you look at and say: Let's build around that dude. The Steelers aren't tough. They're not fast. They're not wise or sharp. They're an average franchise, at best, and this is what we will see from them all year. Ben Roethlisberger has carried them, the way Tom Brady has shouldered the Patriots, despite some poor personnel decisions and shaky drafts. There is only so much Roethlisberger can do. He can't tackle. He can't hide the fact that Troy Polamalu is worse in coverage than he's ever been, that the team can't make basic plays on that side of the ball. Mike Glennon is solid, but he's a guy Dick LeBeau, not long ago, would have sent crying to the film room. Now LeBeau is a general who has lost some of his fastball and doesn't have the talented personnel to enact even his most rudimentary commands. Some fans will say you can't talk about the Steelers this way. They'll get angry. They'll spit and curse. Others will say the Steelers have been sliding for several years. To some degree, yes, but not this bad. You cannot tell me anyone saw this Bucs monstrosity coming. No one did. When asking scouts and personnel around football about the Steelers following the Tampa loss, there was one general consensus, and it was something similar to what I stated before. The franchise has relied too heavily on Roethlisberger in every way. As one scout explained, every franchise in every sport has done the same—from LeBron James to Brady to Big Ben. You think: We can cut any veteran we want and replace him with a younger, cheaper guy, because Ben will save us. We can take a chance drafting this guy because Ben will save us. There is such a lack of discipline and an inability to do even basic things, like tackle. It's not like the Buccaneers have this abundance of slippery and great offensive players. They don't have Darren Sproles, yet there were so many times when a Buc would shake a Steeler. The responsibility lies with Mike Tomlin, who is an excellent coach and someone who deserves respect. Still, Tomlin is a defensive-minded coach, and his defense looked horrible. And please don't mention the injured Pittsburgh starters. That would matter against the Packers. The Steelers are supposed to be plenty good enough to beat a Tampa team that was reeling. Think back to 2010 when the Steelers won the AFC title. There was a time when Tomlin and this team could seemingly do anything. He had one of the most brilliant coaching runs of the past five or 10 years. Teams were actually scared of the Steelers. Now, a quarterback named Mike Glennon, in just his second year, looked like he relished the chance to play Pittsburgh. He was far from scared. Glennon passed for 302 yards. The last time a Tampa quarterback threw for over 300 yards was Josh Freeman in December of 2012. Tampa opened the third quarter with a brutal eight-play, 80-yard scoring drive. The Steelers looked helpless. The Steelers made Mike Glennon look like Mike Fouts. Because the Steelers, as we know them, are dead. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...oys-of-the-afc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Nice read....all true.....but who's Mike Fouts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Tomlin not only wore out Cowhers coat tails he shredded the shit out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Nice read....all true.....but who's Mike Fouts?? LOL.....I thought the same thing! Must have meant Dan Fouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Nice read....all true.....but who's Mike Fouts?? Dan's kid... That whole "relying too much on the great QB to save them" angle is an interesting one. Top, expensive QBs also make it harder to add/ retain other top talent. Brady seems like an even more obvious example than Ben. Trying to think of others... now and past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I did a preseason 26 (including special teams) position by position analysis of the talent of all 4 teams in the AFCN. Ranking each player 1-4 the Steelers had the fewest players ranked at #1 (BR plus I think one other player) and they had the most players ranked #4. The fact is that the Steelers have the least talent in the division, and they do rely on BR to do too much. Sometimes that reliance works (like week 1 vs. the Browns). Sometimes it doesn't (Bucs/Ravens). As I see it, the Steelers really, really need to keep BR healthy. if he were to go down, and they had to rely on Bruce Gradkowski at QB.....what do you think would happen? They are already at the least talented level, and without BR they would rank #4 even at the QB position (hell, they may rank #32 in the NFL then.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 You are such a fucking gluehead Just because it stings like a bitch does not mean you have to be one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Lol hey Douche Nozzle, hows it feel walking the plank? You get seasick easy? Say hi to Captain Jack for me. Yo ho and a bottle of rum for yourself to numb the pain Steelers Buccanearly won it. Your team didnt make the cutlass. Sorry you couldn't nab the booty. The real treasure is your worthless pride being slowly drowned in Davy Jones locker. X marks the spot, next time in Cleveland. See what i did there? I hope you "Arrrrrr" impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 A bleacher report article? I could write one of those right now and post it on the site. Linking one is like passing off Wikipedia as a credible source for a doctoral thesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Nice read....all true.....but who's Mike Fouts?? Wow, stayin' on top of things Tour- though Mike never even made the pros. A bleacher report article? I could write one of those right now and post it on the site. Linking one is like passing off Wikipedia as a credible source for a doctoral thesis. D-nile, D-nile is creeping in. You got Ben, Brown, Timmons, a dinged Shazier. About it pal. When you have to bring back guys like Kiesel and Harrison to "bolster" your defense- you're in deep shit- and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFan4Evr Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JUjealqY-U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Harrison was going to retire, because NO OTHER team wanted him. The stoolers are in trouble if they are keeping guys like that around. The Browns exposed the old/slow stollers defense. That defense couldn't stop the Bucs from getting a game winning TD. They are ranked 21st in points given up per game. And that's the ONLY stat that matters on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Wow, stayin' on top of things Tour- though Mike never even made the pros. D-nile, D-nile is creeping in. Actually I thought I was joking with the Mike Fouts comment... Does that mean I'm smart even when I'm being funny? Speaking of funny... (or not)... On the whole "D-nile" thing... Can we simply refer to it as the "4th River"? Making Heinz the new "4-river Stadium"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 You are such a fucking gluehead If a gluehead is a person who is right on every single point that he makes, then I guess that is what I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 A bleacher report article? I could write one of those right now and post it on the site. Linking one is like passing off Wikipedia as a credible source for a doctoral thesis. Oh ye of vast knowledge in the nether region......just where is it that you get YOUR information that is of such higher authority than the rest of us have access to? I mean, does God talk to you? Are you the fucking Joan of Arc of football. No. You are just a nebbish. Critical of what others contribute without contributing a cabbage fart's worth of information of your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Speaking of funny... (or not)... On the whole "D-nile" thing... Can we simply refer to it as the "4th River"? Making Heinz the new "4-river Stadium"? Clever, very clever. And apt. And usable for the forseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagitron Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Oh ye of vast knowledge in the nether region......just where is it that you get YOUR information that is of such higher authority than the rest of us have access to? I mean, does God talk to you? Are you the fucking Joan of Arc of football. No. You are just a nebbish. Critical of what others contribute without contributing a cabbage fart's worth of information of your own. Gipper I never go to bleacher nor do I ever put any kind of stock into anything written on that website. Its peer driven, opinion pieces. I get my information from my local media, the main sports sites like ESPN, twitter from scouts and beat writers and then sites like pro football focus etc. No one should put their eggs in the bleacher report basket. Any one of us could start writing their tomorrow. A concept I can appreciate as everyone has to start somewhere but no one is held to a standard or required to be even the littlest bit accurate or objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Gipper I never go to bleacher nor do I ever put any kind of stock into anything written on that website. Its peer driven, opinion pieces. I get my information from my local media, the main sports sites like ESPN, twitter from scouts and beat writers and then sites like pro football focus etc. In other words, you get it from the same place all the rest of us get our info. (except I don't do twitter) No one should put their eggs in the bleacher report basket. Any one of us could start writing their tomorrow. A concept I can appreciate as everyone has to start somewhere but no one is held to a standard or required to be even the littlest bit accurate or objective. I don't think anyone is putting any eggs in the Bleacher Report Basket. Yes, it is opinion based articles......That does not mean that they cannot be interesting articles and that is all the OP said....that it was an interesting article. And WTF makes you think that local media isn't biased opinion? And half of what ESPN does is give opinions...biased and otherwise. (Somehow I believe that if the BR had an article favorable to the Steelers, you would not be so quick to dismiss it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Actually I thought I was joking with the Mike Fouts comment... Does that mean I'm smart even when I'm being funny? Speaking of funny... (or not)... On the whole "D-nile" thing... Can we simply refer to it as the "4th River"? Making Heinz the new "4-river Stadium"? On a hunch of your blind guesses...I googled 4th river. No shit this came up: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhoods/2008/06/16/Fear-not-fourth-river-unaffected-by-tunneling/stories/200806160187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Gipper I never go to bleacher nor do I ever put any kind of stock into anything written on that website. Its peer driven, opinion pieces. I get my information from my local media, the main sports sites like ESPN, twitter from scouts and beat writers and then sites like pro football focus etc. No one should put their eggs in the bleacher report basket. Any one of us could start writing their tomorrow. A concept I can appreciate as everyone has to start somewhere but no one is held to a standard or required to be even the littlest bit accurate or objective. We had to run off our "Expert" Bleacher Report guy- seems he knows so much about football, us mortals weren't worthy to carry on a conversation with him. Even the higher IQ guys over on The 'Tard weren't up to his level of football intellect- so he started his own website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 On a hunch of your blind guesses...I googled 4th river. No shit this came up: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhoods/2008/06/16/Fear-not-fourth-river-unaffected-by-tunneling/stories/200806160187 Many if not most areas of the east have underground aquifers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go 'Losers Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm still surprised these articles are still being taken seriously... The Pittsburgh offense is full of weapons and can hurt teams, and the defense has a young makeover. "Oh they lost to Tampa, they lost to TAMPA, the Pittsburgh Steelers are D-E-A-D!!!" ....Yes, we've all heard that before. Yesterdays penalties, which were self-inflicted, were rough but this team doesn't look to be finished. Lets not let one game sweep everyone up into a false sense of fervor that the men in black helmets are "dead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Many if not most areas of the east have underground aquifers. And lots of them near the great lakes. I drive steel pilings and we hit it every time. There's water everywhere here. By contrast, my bro lives in Tucson. No water there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I'm still surprised these articles are still being taken seriously... The Pittsburgh offense is full of weapons and can hurt teams, and the defense has a young makeover. "Oh they lost to Tampa, they lost to TAMPA, the Pittsburgh Steelers are D-E-A-D!!!" ....Yes, we've all heard that before. Yesterdays penalties, which were self-inflicted, were rough but this team doesn't look to be finished. Lets not let one game sweep everyone up into a false sense of fervor that the men in black helmets are "dead." Favored by six against another of the cupcakes on your schedule. Has Ben pulled a Aaron Rodgers and said R-E-L-A-X yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 You mean that plank when the Steelers are maybe in the midst of their worst season in a long time and can only manage to finish four games better than the Browns? Yeah, it's pretty sickening How does it feel to spend your twentieth year looking up to see whale shit descending at you? gotta admit this comment had me laughing when i first read it. but i also just woke up @3am so....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml1138 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Many if not most areas of the east have underground aquifers. I realize that. It was just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 On a hunch of your blind guesses...I googled 4th river. No shit this came up: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/neighborhoods/2008/06/16/Fear-not-fourth-river-unaffected-by-tunneling/stories/200806160187 LOL... Is 5th river taken? Even the higher IQ guys over on The 'Tard weren't up to his level of football intellect- so he started his own website. Link, please? How does it feel to spend your twentieth year looking up to see whale shit descending at you? 'Bout the same as your first 30 years of existence, I reckon... (Cue Douche's ancient history argument up on river #4... or #5... whichever...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 'Bout the same as your first 30 years of existence, I reckon... It was 39 years, to be precise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Link, please? Oh, it's over on the other board somewhere Tour- I'm not in the mood to wade through 300 posts to find it. OK, I looked, the link might have been deleted. Apparently, he's personna non grata over there too. Here's a post from one of their Moderators. All I can say is wow. Delusions of Grandeur. "Mike, you already promised you wouldn't post here anymore. Then you made 3 separate accounts to get past a ban. Then you stalked me and threatened me in my personal e-mail. Then you made an absolute garbage, generic website that no one will ever go to and tried to advertise it all over my site, while endlessly PMing our members here trying to poach them. Then you lied to my mods about me messing with you on Twitter. (which they could easily see was a lie) I'll stay classy, you stay the crazy, stalking d-bag who is clearly having a mid-life crisis and reverting back to your bitter high school days. Hopefully you enjoy the hits you got through smearing you period all over this forum though. Enjoy your new wannabe browns beat reporter career living in California you fucking tool. Although bribing people to visit your site and then not following through on your promise of Browns tickets may get you some short term clicks, in the end, you will fail because nobody likes an asshole, or a fake. By the way, I just counted 22 different ip addresses you used to try to access this site. Manic much? You're a scary dude, stay away from my family." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Good Lord, hoorta... Needless to say... never mind about the web site link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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