Frenchie Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Dear Mr. Pettine: The BB would like you to consider the following changes / improvements to the time during the Bye-week: 1) replace Mingo as a starter with Sheard (accountability) 2) review films of last year to determine why we've digressed in defending the run. I hope it's not Jackson/Ward. Jim O'Neil needs to fix things fast!! 3) get the CB's back to work on the basic fundamentals of receiver coverage 4) replace Benji on punt returns (accountability) 5) find out why every field goal or POT snap is inaccurate - Christian Yount may be an issue 6) look into a possible replacement for Billy Cundiff either now or at the end of the season 7) fire Chris Tabor immediately and start making people realize accountability matters 8) the team needs to rebound against Tennessee - make sure that they realize the critical importance of this game. Lose to the Titans and the two weeks would have been wasted. There must be a sense of urgency to fix our issues! BB fans, please add you suggestions to this list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Damn good list and post. I'll only replace Cundiff now not later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Is replacing Cundiff realistic? And are we sure it's his fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 and how many of those timid pu$$y ass coaches we have will implement any of these obviously glaring weaknesses--maybe 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Do something about staying home in your position on play action. How many times did we lose containment because mingo got sucked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted September 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Mingo, Richardson, Weedon, Manzeil, Gilbert ... Wow that's a lot of first round draft choices that are either busts or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Hopefully some of these get addressed in the bye week. Probably a good thing we have it so early this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdawg2010 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Another thing I'd add is to stop calling the losses "heartbreaking" and "tragic" that are all over Twitter. Trust me I think we all feel this way but those are the same adjectives you'd use when your GF dumps you. Pettine needs to light a fire under the asses of this team. Don't go in there with the clapping and moral victory parade. This is a good football team that needs to learn how to win, and losing breeds losing. Agree totally about accountability as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career! Let's be honest, its hard for any DB to cover when WR's are allowed to get away with pushing off THAT much. I mean, it wasn't even a subtle, veteran type crafty move. It was Smitty basically giving DB's the forearm shiver. As for fixes? I'd like this defense to play in reverse. I'd like to see 4 down looks on 1st and 2nd. Let me explain my reasoning. The Dline struggles to get pressure, more specifically, Sheard and Kruger do, when their hands aren't in the ground. Which is why play action has been effective for opposing offenses on early down. On top of that, the interior line struggles to flow laterally. I don't believe these lineman are meant to play 2 gap assignments or to just tie up space in the middle. Big Phil is a one gap player with a big wing span. Go back to his tape all the way at Baylor. He greatest successes come from using his long arms and strengths in between the guards. Rubin? He's pretty much ineffective at either position AFAIC. However this will allow Hughes, Winn and Kitchen more time in the rotation. Something along the lines of - Sheard Taylor Hughes Armonty with your backers being Kruger, Dansby, Roberston. Then you can sub in Mingo for your pass rush. This will give you the beef to stop the early down runs, stop allowing RB's to go off tackle and gives Mingo the ability to do what he really only can do, rush the passer. He's a liability at this point on the edge in run support. He just doesn't have the size. I propose using him the same way Denver uses Von Miller. Protect him on early downs, then let him get after the QB on 2nd and 3rd. Now that's not to assume you can't play a one gap 3-4 look - as you obviously can. However something must be done schematically to help this dline against the run because as of right now, the talent isn't getting it done. Then on 3rd you can go back to your nickel package with whomever you'd like at the 9 tech/hand in the ground/standing up/whatever. Fact is, Pettine's defenses call for good OLB's that can be effective without having their hands in the ground. We have 3 OLB's, one of them a 1st rounder the other we spent good money on, that can only half perform these roles. And unless Suggs circa early 2000's walks through the front office doors, that wont be changing anytime soon. I'd also like to point out, I'm still a huge proponent against Winn gaining that weight. The kid was so effective around his 280-285 body type. Nearly 300 pounds he just looks slow and lethargic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Let's be honest, its hard for any DB to cover when WR's are allowed to get away with pushing off THAT much. I mean, it wasn't even a subtle, veteran type crafty move. It was Smitty basically giving DB's the forearm shiver. Tiam ********************************************** EXACTLY ! Once, the ratbids were even called for offensive interference, it was so blatant. The NFL wanted more scoring, I take it. Making the db's nearly helpless is messing up the game, and it's all around the NFL. The problem is, it isn't called the same way all the time. Too subjective. If contact is made by the wr, then the db should be able to not be rendered helpless by the initiating contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Let's be honest, its hard for any DB to cover when WR's are allowed to get away with pushing off THAT much. I mean, it wasn't even a subtle, veteran type crafty move. It was Smitty basically giving DB's the forearm shiver. As for fixes? I'd like this defense to play in reverse. I'd like to see 4 down looks on 1st and 2nd. Let me explain my reasoning. The Dline struggles to get pressure, more specifically, Sheard and Kruger do, when their hands aren't in the ground. Agree on the DBs. The league has to "emphasize" offensive contact next year. As for defense... Do we simply need to go with a 4-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 As for defense... Do we simply need to go with a 4-3? It would honestly be a '43' in name alone. Even long time 34 defenses like the Ratbirds, Stillers and Pats have a variety of 4 down packages. I think it would be a great idea because it gets an extra larger body on the field and won't require your big men to flow as side to side as they do now. With that heads up look we like to give, you saw the Ravens run off tackle a lot, and on the rare time that Big Phil managed to get down the line to cut the off tackle look, Rubin was getting blown back in the middle and not keeping his shoulders square, thus allowing the cutback to the inside. This running game by the Shanny's and Kubiak is specifically designed to tire out that kind of defense and get the bigs moving. Your only real counters are having sound flow and gap assignment, or a NT that can consistently push the center back into the lap of the QB before the balls gets handed off on the stretch. That would mean the RB has to start dancing in the backfield. We don't have Ngata, Wilfork or a dominant NT on this roster, so I vote the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Too many problems on D to list... but I'll try... #1 - Rubin is getting blown off the ball. He's been my biggest goat so far on defense. He is 2 yards back before he even gets out of his stance, which opens up easy 3-4 yard gains on almost every play. #2 - Mingo can pass-rush, but he can't play the run. He forgets the basics that he has to cover, contain, etc... He seems to always over-pursue. He is still just a pass-rush specialist until he can start putting himself in the right spot to make tackles. #3 - Taylor is being tossed around. This isn't normal to see, but he is not eating multiple blockers and just isn't doing his job in the middle. I almost want to see him and Rubin switch for a game or 2 to see what happens. #4 - D.Bryant/A.Bryant/Winn (whoever the 3rd lineman is at any given time) NONE of these guys are getting any pressure to the QB, and none of them are getting a strong push against the run. D.Bryant played hurt last week. A.Bryant is too small in a 3-man front. Winn has been getting pancaked like he works at iHop... #5 - Dansby/Robertson/Kirksey - None of these guys are getting off blocks regularly against the run. #6 - Gilbert - He is athletic enough to cover and prevent throws in man coverage, but he literally goes "full-Retard" when he is challenged deep. #7 - Haden - He's been playing pretty soft. I'm not too worried, but he just seems a bit less aggressive than years past #8 - Whitner - Who? Where's he been? #9 - Skrine - He's been playing scrappy, and I like it. Poor guy has been getting OPI or illegal contact against him on almost every damn play yet still keeps scrapping to make the play. Actually, all of our DBs are getting abused consistently, yet no flags in their favor My one positive about the defense... Tashaun Gipson. Literally, no complaints about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think it would be a great idea... Thanks, I think so too... Seriously, I thought we had a great 3-4 under Mangini/Ryan... scheme and personnel. So naturally we had to change to a 4-3 regime next under Shurmur/Jauron... and just as the personnel started getting right? We change back to the 3-4 under Chud/Horton... At least after the above one-year experiment was over we hired a "flexible" HC who would use the personnel we had to best advantage. How that translates to Billy Winn at DE eludes me. Plain and simple... we do not have the LBs to play a 3-4. Simply not versatile/ athletic enough. Standing up Kruger is kinda working this year (unless you actualy ask him to pass cover), but Sheard? No... Put Sheard and Kruger back as your early down DEs. Substiute Armonty and Mingo as your pass rush DEs. Use Des Bryant as your swingman Ditto Taylor/ Hughes/ Kitchen as early DTs and Winn/ Rubin as Pass down DTs. Put Dansby in the middle flanked by Robertson and Kirksey and let 'er rip... Draft LBs like crazy in 2015... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 On STs... Very simple... 1 - Replace Cundiff... with anybody 2 - Re-evaluate and/or replace Yount 3 - Replace Benjamin on PR Special Teams plays are naturally "VERY BIG PLAYS" every time, so these guys have to be on their game every time they step on the field. These three have not, and that needs to get better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 On offense... 1 - hmmm.... I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular... ...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Too many problems on D to list... but I'll try... You did more than try... well done... Slight disagreement on Gipson for a couple reasons... 1. Lack if hitting in secondary. Latest example was completion to Smith in front of him Sunday. He had no play on the ball so going low and hard was his only break-up possibility... possibly with a flip inducing hit. Instead he actually extended his arms essentially cushioning what the blow he delivered. 2. Great centerfielder, but... He has not challenged a catch this year that I can recall. After looking at Smith's late catch to set up the winning FG, Gip may have been responsible for helping Haden over the top. I think my 4-3 argument addresses a couple of the issues you cite... Billy Winn for one; Mingo for another... also should keep blockers off of our LBs better (emphasis on "should")... Agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 On offense... 1 - hmmm.... I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular... ...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys... I'll add... If you would've told me, after 3 weeks, we'd be ranked: 10th in the NFL in scoring OFFENSE 12th total yards 10th in rushing yards T-1st in rushing TDs 16th in passing yards 11th in yards/play T-1st in rushing plays 20+ yards T-12th in passing plays 20+ yards And, Brian Hoyer would be 61-95 (64.2%) for 716 Yds, 3 TDs and 0 INTs with a 97.5 QB Rating I would've called you a liar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think my 4-3 argument addresses a couple of the issues you cite... Billy Winn for one; Mingo for another... also should keep blockers off of our LBs better (emphasis on "should")... Agree? One question: Who plays OLB if we run 4-3? Kirksey and Robertson? If so, I'd imagine it would look like this: Sheard/Rubin/Taylor/Kruger Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson Haden/Gipson/Whitner/Gilbert My only question would be taking D.Bryant off the field for a guy as small as Kirksey. Or, do you see Mingo as a OLB in a 4-3 ala Bruce Irvin in Seattle? We have plenty of D-line depth to do something like this, but I doubt we have enough LBs as most of ours would become DEs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 One question: Who plays OLB if we run 4-3? We have plenty of D-line depth to do something like this, but I doubt we have enough LBs as most of ours would become DEs... Put Sheard and Kruger back as your early down DEs. Substiute Armonty and Mingo as your pass rush DEs. Use Des Bryant as your swingman Ditto Taylor/ Hughes/ Kitchen as early DTs and Winn/ Rubin as Pass down DTs. Put Dansby in the middle flanked by Robertson and Kirksey and let 'er rip... Draft LBs like crazy in 2015... Above should answer your first question. Yes, thin at LB... but sticking too a 3-4 because we are too thin at LB seems brain-fryingly paradoxical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 One question: Who plays OLB if we run 4-3? Kirksey and Robertson? If so, I'd imagine it would look like this: Sheard/Rubin/Taylor/Kruger Kirksey/Dansby/Robertson Haden/Gipson/Whitner/Gilbert My only question would be taking D.Bryant off the field for a guy as small as Kirksey. Or, do you see Mingo as a OLB in a 4-3 ala Bruce Irvin in Seattle? We have plenty of D-line depth to do something like this, but I doubt we have enough LBs as most of ours would become DEs... Irvin and Von are used in similar ways that they play LOLB in base packages and replace the LE in pass rushing situations. Again, people need to not get so hung up on '43' or '34'. You can give a lot of different looks by simple placement slides with similar personnel. The only real reason I wanted to see a 4 down look would be to help this team better defend the c gap runs and not give up the cutback lane so much. As it stands in that double eagle Look, you have 3 big body's that have to move a long way down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career! Steve smith owns nearly everyone he faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'd also like to point out, I'm still a huge proponent against Winn gaining that weight. The kid was so effective around his 280-285 body type. Nearly 300 pounds he just looks slow and lethargic. Missed the point on Winn earlier... could not agree more. His motor is at least stalled if not gone. Last year his assets inside were his quickness and energy. This year? What assets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Slight disagreement on Gipson for a couple reasons... 2. Great centerfielder, but... He has not challenged a catch this year that I can recall. After looking at Smith's late catch to set up the winning FG, Gip may have been responsible for helping Haden over the top. Got the above wrong... Just saw a replay and it was Whitner that was late over the top. So if anyone had that assignment, it was him. Sad thing is it was the kind of play I remember him making for SF, that made me smile when I heard we signed him. However, in SF it seemed he either picked those throws or broke up the pass with a big hit-ner. Good thing he did not change his name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted September 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I forgot to add: start Kirksey over Robertson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 How about putting Justin Gilbert back to catch punts? He was GREAT in college and Travis Benjamin is, by his own admission, scared to make a mistake Plus it might give Gilbert some confidence in his ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Do not start Haden. That doesn't mean don't play him. Just don't start him. He has been soft so far this year, and I think his big payday has gone to his head, and needs a reality check. He should be ashamed for letting himself get owned by old ass Steve Smith. He is past his prime and on the back 9 of his career! wow. you know how many 5 star CBs steve smith has owned in his career? backend of his career yeah maybe but i bet if they played NE revis would be on him....seattle sherman would be on him. i saw (not the game) but the replay of the play that cost us the game and haden go beat with speed...barely. BUT whitner was right there with the backside help to knock him out of bounds. teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays. the first game we should have won if we had played for 60 fucking mintues. sunday we should have won for other reasons besides calling out one single player. we SHOULD be 3-0. just shut the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 "teams win games on huge clutch/lucky catches and plays" they also lose games when our so-called elite cb gets burned Haden gave up the losing TD last year against some scrub QB and a scrub Wr to JAX. HADEN IS NOT AS GOOD AS YOU THINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuNNerGatSKi Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 On offense... 1 - hmmm.... I seriously have no problems with the offense. Shanahan needs to lean how to call better plays when we have the lead, like when you have a 21-17 lead against a division rival with the ball in their territory... you HAVE to go for the jugular... ...but other than that these guys have all exceeded my expectations. Literally, every single one of these guys... I agree new I am very very impressed with how this offense has grown over the first three weeks. Hoyer is looking better and better. He is becoming more comfortable and consistent. He made some fantastic throws and reads Sunday. He didn't leave a whole lot on the field and we can't expect him to make every play and be the catalyst to every win. That's simply unreasonable, unrealistic, and just plain Retarded. The run game looks great as well. There is room for improvement but overall our O Line is growing into this zone blocking scheme nicely and our backs are simply the perfect match scheme wise. West has some incredible potential but if I'm being honest I'm even more excited about what Crowell is and can become down the line. He is such a punishing runner. He is a bit raw but my God when he takes that handoff he puts the helmet down and rockets straight up field, LOOKING for contact, being the aggressor. I'm so excited for our backfield now and in the future. And to the trolls calling for Manziel? Just wow... Go fuck yourselves and eat a giant bag of dicks covered in moldy cheese... Hoyer has given us the best QB play we have seen since the return. I personally love everything about him, his attitude, his mental aptitude and toughness, and his drive to make this team something special. I'm proud to have him Quarterbacking my browns! Now the defense... Good God where to start... There are so many issues as others have stated above... The D line is just plain getting owned and blown off the ball on the majority of plays. I don't get it as I KNOW we have talented players at the position group.... The most bothersome thing to me is they will have a good play stopping a run for a short gain or in the backfield and then we either get burned by a play action pass or another run. Its like they forget what they did and how they played on the previous play that worked. Were constantly allowing the opposing offense to get back ahead in the down and distance battle or give up a first down period. It's painful. The team needs to take a week and reevaluate our defensive talent and seriously consider some schematic changes. Its bad enough at this point that experimenting would be more beneficial than harmful. Go Browns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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