What's your first two days draft board look like? Round and position.

[wargograw]

I want to pass on a QB, at least early. Get em, Cody.

 

In a perfect world, Shon Coleman is ready for RT next year and the Redskins kid puts on a season-long repeat of his one game performance this year. Erving, Drango, Pasztor, Bailey: not bad depth.

 

 

PICKS WE HAVE NOW

 

Round 1-Top 3 pick

Round 1-likely middle pick from Eagles

Round 2-top 3 pick

Round 2-likely top 10 pick from Titans

Round 3-top 3 pick

Round 4-3 compensatory picks

Round 5-top 3 pick

Round 5-likely last 5 pick from Patriots

Round 5-compensatory pick

Round 6-top 3 pick

Round 7-likely top 10 pick from Colts

 

Thats 5 picks we have in the first two days now. I think we trade to get at least one more. This is all defense for me.

 

1-Garrett/Tim Williams

1-CB

2-S

2-OLB

3-DE

3-Another safety

 

Meder goes back to NG backup duty (or maybe 3-tech in a 4-3.

Ends are Nassib, Garrett, Cooper, 3rd rounder. OLB is Schobert, Ogbah, maybe Williams, Cam Johnson.

ILB remains the same (Davis, Kirksey, Alexander).

CBs Haden, 1st rounder, Taylor, Tramon, other dudes.

Safeties Campbell, Kindred, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder (see ya Poyer).

 

2018 I am hunting for more NT/DT depth, more safeties, more corners, and we're waving goodbye to Joe Haden.

[gftChris]

I think at this stage of the season (and Kessler's career, RG3's third injury comeback, or what we might as well call IC3) we probably need to have two or even three draft boards - one for if we think Kessler or RG3 is the guy; one if we're sure they're not and we go QB early, and one if we're happy to take a QB a little later in the round. It'll also depend on how Cam Erving progresses, and if any of our rookie OL step up to take over at RT, because I'm not sold on Austin Pasztor there long term.

 

 

For the sake of having to laugh at ourselves, I'm going to assume the Eagles' pick we get is #22, and then get back to you with those scenarios. But broadly, this team needs as of toady, not factoring in any player development:

 

QB - can't say today that Kessler is the guy. Can say today RG3 probably isn't, though.

Pass Rusher - we're not generating anything, and having Joe the Scho as our starting OLB isn't so great. We also lack depth.

CB - having an effective pass rush would help, but no doubt we need an upgrade in the secondary.

FS - could be swapped with the above depending on who's availble. Poyer is a serviceable backup, which is nice, and we have two promising young *strong* safeties in Kindred and Campbell. But we're missing 2014 Gipson.

RT - Pasztor comments...I'm hopeful Shon Coleman or someone can step up and take this job by season's end.

TE - Barnidge had a very nice 2015 season. He's on pace four around 750 yards currently, which I think most people expected, and isn't horrible, but we should very much look to get someone behind him to take over in a year or two, especially given his age.

DE - More for depth than anything, as Meder and Nassib look to be doing a good job, but at this stage neither is going to show up much in pro bowl talk, let alone Hawaii.

ILB - I actually think Kirksey and Davis are a decent tandem, and still relatively young. Need to get better in TE coverage, obviously, though, and the depth behind them still includes Tank Special Teams Carder, which is a worry.

[TexasAg1969]

Interesting that I have no quarrel with these picks from an early mock draft. Very similar to yours war (Garrett + CB+Safety+DL) and they also say we have #22. LOL!

 

Of course the key will be whether we foolishly stick to the prior year trade down routine and throw everything at minor players in one position once again. Think I will send them all copies of "Common Sense" as desk decorations before the draft. We have the uncommon luxury of likely 4 picks in the top 35-40. Just wow! Don't fuck that up. Build that defense! That's what gets you into playoffs.

 

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/10/12/2017-nfl-mock-draft-updated-two-round-projections/

 

PS-we get to see 2 quality edge rushers, Bama's Williams and Tenn's Barnett, in the same game this weekend much like we did last weekend with Barnett and a "65 to 70%" (his words after the game about his injury status going in) Garrett.

[gftChris]

Interesting that I have no quarrel with these picks from an early mock draft. Very similar to yours war and they also say we have #22. LOL!

 

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/10/12/2017-nfl-mock-draft-updated-two-round-projections/

Well it follows my priority list as well, excluding a QB, going edge, CB, S. I could see us going DL dependent on BPA for sure.

[Flugel]

I want to pass on a QB, at least early. Get em, Cody.

 

In a perfect world, Shon Coleman is ready for RT next year and the Redskins kid puts on a season-long repeat of his one game performance this year. Erving, Drango, Pasztor, Bailey: not bad depth.

 

 

PICKS WE HAVE NOW

 

Round 1-Top 3 pick

Round 1-likely middle pick from Eagles

Round 2-top 3 pick

Round 2-likely top 10 pick from Titans

Round 3-top 3 pick

Round 4-3 compensatory picks

Round 5-top 3 pick

Round 5-likely last 5 pick from Patriots

Round 5-compensatory pick

Round 6-top 3 pick

Round 7-likely top 10 pick from Colts

 

Thats 5 picks we have in the first two days now. I think we trade to get at least one more. This is all defense for me.

 

1-Garrett/Tim Williams

1-CB

2-S

2-OLB

3-DE

3-Another safety

 

Meder goes back to NG backup duty (or maybe 3-tech in a 4-3.

Ends are Nassib, Garrett, Cooper, 3rd rounder. OLB is Schobert, Ogbah, maybe Williams, Cam Johnson.

ILB remains the same (Davis, Kirksey, Alexander).

CBs Haden, 1st rounder, Taylor, Tramon, other dudes.

Safeties Campbell, Kindred, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder (see ya Poyer).

 

2018 I am hunting for more NT/DT depth, more safeties, more corners, and we're waving goodbye to Joe Haden.

 

Interesting choice of words in the beginning but I agree. Good post. I really don't see any gotta have pocket passers for round 1 but I've definitely been wrong before. I'm not sure where Chad Kelly is going to go but if he sticks around until round 2 - he might be tempting. Seems like he can do everything an Andy Dalton and may be capable of better upside.

 

If they don't choose Garrett near the top. Derek Barnett is an edge rusher from UT having a strong season we may want to consider somewhere near the area we drafted Ogbah or Nassib. He came up huge in the second half vrs Florida. I lost count of how many throws he hurried. He has that relentless motor Nassib packs. He's listed at 6'3" and weighs around 260 lbs. Here's his stats so far:

DATE OPP RESULT TOT SOLO AST SACK FF INT

9/1 Appalachian State W 20-13 (OT) 7 3 4 0.0 0 0

9/10 Virginia Tech W 45-24 1 1 0 0.0 0 0

9/17 Ohio W 28-19 5 4 1 0.0 0 0

9/24 Florida W 38-28 5 3 2 2.0 0 0

10/1 @Georgia W 34-31 5 3 2 2.0 1 0

10/8 @Texas A&M L 45-38 (2OT) 6 4 2 1.0 0 0

 

Our secondary desperately needs help.

[jiggins7919]

As I have said many times before, Kessler is facing an uphill battle in terms of being an NFL starter. I honestly believe the arm strength isn't as big of an issue as I've thought before, especially with a coach like Hue Jackson who is creative and knowledgeable in NFL offenses. BUT...the bigger issue (to me) is his lack of ideal size, and more importantly, his EXTREME lack of athletic ability. I struggle to think of many NFL QB's that share his slowness. Phillip Rivers, maybe Romo, Brady, Matt Ryan, and possibly others, but only Rivers looks slower to me. The names I listed off are good QB's, some of them are great, so the kid has a chance based on what those slow white guys have done. It's just that the future of the league appears to be faster, stronger QB's, and the guys I listed have played a combined 100 years in the league. (not quite, LOL).

 

I like Kessler as a player, and I think he's tough and someone the veterans already respect. Can he be successful? We don't know yet, but having Coleman and Bitonio out certainly doesn't help (and Gordon...ugh). What is really strange to me is just how similar Kessler is to Bernie Kosar. I know that might sound crazy, but he plays in a similar manner. Subpar athletic ability, maybe decent arm strength, but extremely efficient accuracy, pocket presence, tough, and a "catchable ball". My favorite player Kessler made last week wasn't the touchdown. No, it was actually the 18 yard pass to Crow. Kessler had to wait in the pocket, then move up and to the right, and then waited for Crow to leak out and come across the field. Kessler lobbed a gorgeous, short throw that Crow could catch IN STRIDE and turn up field. That's freaking big time. Facing a blitz, nobody else open, and making a play while moving in the pocket. Definitely my favorite play, and something not every rookie can pull off.

[Tour2ma]

Too early, but I'm still leaning towards Kizer.

[gftChris]

Too early, but I'm still leaning towards Kizer.

Wherever he ends up, be prepared for plenty of terrible 'Kizer' Soze jokes.

[Flugel]

As I have said many times before, Kessler is facing an uphill battle in terms of being an NFL starter. I honestly believe the arm strength isn't as big of an issue as I've thought before, especially with a coach like Hue Jackson who is creative and knowledgeable in NFL offenses. BUT...the bigger issue (to me) is his lack of ideal size, and more importantly, his EXTREME lack of athletic ability. I struggle to think of many NFL QB's that share his slowness. Phillip Rivers, maybe Romo, Brady, Matt Ryan, and possibly others, but only Rivers looks slower to me. The names I listed off are good QB's, some of them are great, so the kid has a chance based on what those slow white guys have done. It's just that the future of the league appears to be faster, stronger QB's, and the guys I listed have played a combined 100 years in the league. (not quite, LOL).

 

I like Kessler as a player, and I think he's tough and someone the veterans already respect. Can he be successful? We don't know yet, but having Coleman and Bitonio out certainly doesn't help (and Gordon...ugh). What is really strange to me is just how similar Kessler is to Bernie Kosar. I know that might sound crazy, but he plays in a similar manner. Subpar athletic ability, maybe decent arm strength, but extremely efficient accuracy, pocket presence, tough, and a "catchable ball". My favorite player Kessler made last week wasn't the touchdown. No, it was actually the 18 yard pass to Crow. Kessler had to wait in the pocket, then move up and to the right, and then waited for Crow to leak out and come across the field. Kessler lobbed a gorgeous, short throw that Crow could catch IN STRIDE and turn up field. That's freaking big time. Facing a blitz, nobody else open, and making a play while moving in the pocket. Definitely my favorite play, and something not every rookie can pull off.

 

It was said and thought about Tom Brady too back when he was prioritized to the back of round 6. When we factor in how many games he even suited up for as a rookie - it still looked much the same. In an interview Brady said Bill Belichick told him after his rookie season if he wanted to make it in this league - he needed to get a lot stronger in the weight room. A lot of young QBs come out with imperfections that don't have to be show stoppers. They also have to be lucky they have the right Head Coach that can withstand fan bases like the Dallas Cowboys had when they thought Jimmy Johnson was out of his mind for not starting their version of Franchise QB (Steve Walsh) over Jimmy's version (Aikman) that came with growing pains/concussions, no running game (pre-Emmitt) and a need for better surrounding talent. Jimmy knew this more than impatient fans.

 

I think the game plans for Kessler understand his strengths pretty well; and it's led to a lot of us feeling pleasantly surprised. When we think about it, how many starts has our best WR had at WR? That's asking for inexperience on the perimeter to blend well with inexperience at the QB spot so I think our staff has done a good job. Another factor heading into last week's matchup was having our running game ranked #1.

 

I enjoyed your analogy to Kosar. In 85, both Mack and Byner rushed for over 1000 yards apiece when we had Bernie starting for our last 7-9 games. 1 year later, Infante arrived thing he could swap out all the handoffs for a lot of short passes to our RBs in 1986. Our RB position combined for something like 123 or 128 receptions, which came in handy when defenses were chomping at the bits to blitz the cement shoes of Bernie Kosar. We all know Bernie looked extremely intelligent; but Infante helped trigger a lot of it. Another significant help for the young Kosar in 86 was the nice margin of error the #1 ranked defense against the run in the AFC brought. Kessler doesn't have a great defense working in his favor yet so there's times he's put in the unreasonable situations Aikman was early on.

 

Hopefully the next couple draft volumes gets our QB the goodies to compete like a long time keeper. Coleman looked like he's ready to be a big help but he's only played as often as Joey Bosa thus far... We could also use a little more depth and luck up front. That Center we signed off the Washington practice squad looked sensational prior to IR. Now Bitonio is hurt. All that said, Crow wasn't tearing it up by accident - which means something was going right.

[TexasAg1969]

Wherever he ends up, be prepared for plenty of terrible 'Kizer' Soze jokes.

 

And if the Browns take him as a QB........................................

 

[Bob806]

....forgive me from spoiling your enthusiasm, but there's 11 more games to play, and half a college season, plus endless draft talk threads from January through April.

 

Let's win some games, home games in particular.

[tiamat63]

Blank... because it's too early.

[PoeticG]

Joe Haden would be a playmaker at FS. He should be back their ballhawking ALL GAME. He's fast, he hits, he covers and he can catch the ball and run with it... but continuing to waste away at CB when they can throw away from him and use him against us, strategically is disturbing.

 

Kindred and Haden at the Safeties would be exciting. Letting Haden shut down an entire side of the field instead of just one corner would do wonders for our Defense.

[gumby73]

Joe Haden would be a playmaker at FS. He should be back their ballhawking ALL GAME. He's fast, he hits, he covers and he can catch the ball and run with it... but continuing to waste away at CB when they can throw away from him and use him against us, strategically is disturbing.

 

Kindred and Haden at the Safeties would be exciting. Letting Haden shut down an entire side of the field instead of just one corner would do wonders for our Defense.

Good stuff PoG, Far better idea than Poyer right now. But I do remember the hell we had last 2 seasons without Joe covering #1 WR's. Joe's concussion issues with higher risk of harder impact position of any S may have pasted him by. Luv the idea though.

[D Bone]

Too early, but I'm still leaning towards Kizer.

 

With the way our players get injured, it would be nice having Kaiser right there on the field with them.

[Tour2ma]

Good stuff PoG, Far better idea than Poyer right now. But I do remember the hell we had last 2 seasons without Joe covering #1 WR's. Joe's concussion issues with higher risk of harder impact position of any S may have pasted him by. Luv the idea though.

 

Poyer has disappointed me more than any other starter on D so far... I really expected him to break out.

[gumby73]

 

Poyer has disappointed me more than any other starter on D so far... I really expected him to break out.

Same here. Still hate the PI call with Balt. but it's his contract season to go get it. This Innocent weekend judging is like being a ref with red flags

[The User from Cleveland]

We're pretty much done with the RG3 thing, not gonna work.

[LondonBrown]

BPA for the next three years until this team has NFL talent so we can afford to pass on players for position reasons.

[TexasAg1969]

BPA for the next three years until this team has NFL talent so we can afford to pass on players for position reasons.

 

Totally agree and take the one we need most if BPA looks to be a tossup between 2-4 players. And no more f'n trade downs with those first 4 picks, all of whom look to be in the top 35 or so. That you can build a defense with almost overnight when added to some we have already.

[Tour2ma]

More in the BQBA camp here...

[Flyin J]

QB with the first pick, without a doubt.

Secondary and LB help with the next three. However we should be looking to trade up numerous times with the 14 or so picks we'll end up with. I think it's a good possibility we'll pick three players in round 1.

[CaineDeSoulis]

Round 1-Top 3 pick
Round 1-likely middle pick from Eagles
Round 2-top 3 pick
Round 2-likely top 10 pick from Titans
Round 3-top 3 pick
Round 4-3 compensatory picks
Round 5-top 3 pick
Round 5-likely last 5 pick from Patriots
Round 5-compensatory pick
Round 6-top 3 pick
Round 7-likely top 10 pick from Colts

using that as a judge i would go

1a. Garret if available
1b. Center (OSU has a good one I've heard)
2a. QB
2b. CB
3a. S
4a. ILB
4b. DL
4c. OL
5a. OL
5b. OLB
5c. WR
6a. K
7a. QB

[wargograw]

More in the BQBA camp here...

Best questionable baller available?

[miktoxic]

1. Joey bosa's brother
2. Joey bosa's mother
3. Joey bosa's nut hair
4. Joey bosa's jarred fart
5. Joey bosa's sock
6.The 'essence' of joey bosa

[tiamat63]

Good. Mik is catching on.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

1. Joey bosa's brother

2. Joey bosa's mother

3. Joey bosa's nut hair

4. Joey bosa's jarred fart

5. Joey bosa's sock

6.The 'essence' of joey bosa

All 6 would be better than Bosa.

[MLD Woody]

Garrett

Lewis

[The Gipper]

Wherever he ends up, be prepared for plenty of terrible 'Kizer' Soze jokes.

I would not be making Kizer Soze jokes. You know what happens to people that ire Kizer Soze.

[cambridgeho]

Clearly have to get a rush on the qb. Have to go with best rated pass rusher. I would like to see Garrett as well. I know most hate the team up north, but Peppers can play! He is a heck of an athlete that could play DB or Saftey.