calfoxwc Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 They want to know where they are, so they can eventually come up with an excuse to confiscate them, or tax them out of existence, and/or socially/legally harass gun owners out of existence. They think. http://www.examiner.com/article/activists-outraged-registration-does-lead-to-confiscation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Well technically in this case the law abiding gun owner is actually dead and that's when Charleston Hesten said you could have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 LOL. Okay, that's pretty good. But a hand-me-down vintage hunting shotgun? etc? I think a lot of folks should just move out, or vote against all tax increases for the police dept, etc. They actually make a canister that is too put your guns and ammo, etc, in, and bury it underground. Saw it last night at Cabela's. A lot of folks are really wondering where we are going as a country. This gun treaty by the UN has even more folks pretty concerned. It seems to give Obamao and co a "left" handed, backside exec order justification. I wonder how the Founding Fathers saw the 2nd Amendment in terms of kids inheriting their parents' guns. I doubt they were ignoring that. The property still stays owned by the family. I reckon the rest of the family should be able to get a "permit" to get them back. which, defies the purpose the confiscation in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 I am glad I don't live in New York or any of the other states with inane gun laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Why would you register a gun in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Why would you register a gun in the first place? Because sone states require it and some gun owners like to be law abiding. Don't think I would be if I were forced to live in a registration state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Because sone states require it and some gun owners like to be law abiding. Don't think I would be if I were forced to live in a registration state. Every gun I have ever purchased was a legal purchase and I have never "registered" ANY of my guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 But the left wants to tknow where they are. They can then list you publicly, your address... tax/permit you for each gun, they can hit conservatives with restrictions on which kind of guns, ... they can tax ammo, tax hunting, regulate where and how guns can be trasported/handed down to children/.. I guess they figure you can't really win the war against an enemy you can't find.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Every gun I have ever purchased was a legal purchase and I have never "registered" ANY of my guns. Because you don't live in a state requiring registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Does anybody think that registration and having ballistic information on file is a good idea and could be helpful to law enforcement should there be problems? I understand it's easy to distrust politicians and that slippery slope is always there but.... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Does anybody think that registration and having ballistic information on file is a good idea and could be helpful to law enforcement should there be problems? I understand it's easy to distrust politicians and that slippery slope is always there but.... WSS The criminals are not going to do any of those things. so what's the point? Law abiding citizens don't need those things because we are not the ones committing the crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 The criminals are not going to do any of those things. so what's the point? Law abiding citizens don't need those things because we are not the ones committing the crimes. Yes I agree with that completely. Just saying that in a case, for example, if a gun is stolen and used in a felony the ballistics might trace it back to the original owner and possibly shed some light on whoever swiped it. Even if it doesn't I don't see any particular downside unless the government decides to overreach. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Yes I agree with that completely. Just saying that in a case, for example, if a gun is stolen and used in a felony the ballistics might trace it back to the original owner and possibly shed some light on whoever swiped it. Even if it doesn't I don't see any particular downside unless the government decides to overreach. WSS Well, you and I both know, they WILL overreach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Would the fire arms company be required to do the ballistics testing, or the gun shop,that buys the gun from the fire arms company, or the new owner who buys it from the gun shop? I would guess it would be the fire arms company, but then they will say it will increase the weapons price. and so on and so on. Where will it end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Would the fire arms company be required to do the ballistics testing, or the gun shop,that buys the gun from the fire arms company, or the new owner who buys it from the gun shop? I would guess it would be the fire arms company, but then they will say it will increase the weapons price. and so on and so on. Where will it end? As you and I both said the overreach is probably inevitable. It will end when our gun laws are very similar to England. I'm sure it will take a while and be a rough and bumpy road but I don't think it can be stopped. It's the unfortunate arc of an aging society. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Look I just bought two guns yesterday and my license and address don't even jibe. They took my car registration as proof of residence and the deal was done in ten minutes. I'm not too worried the Democrat goon squad is going to come take my stuff. I'd register if I had to but lo and behold I live in ohio one of the laxest states on terms of gun control so I'm not really worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I'm still for smart guns though. Bring the price on those babies down and I'll be happy to wear the magnetic ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 An emp would render those smart guns...stupid guns.... Power lines? Who knows? I choose not to trust that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 How would an emp effect magnets cal? I'm dying to hear this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrB89Fq02pUNhUAqvBPmolQ?qid=20090623125850AAAYD95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I said magnets as in the mechanical function that drives most smart guns. You posted how sunspots effect power grids. Come on, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm just saying, the principle could very well be the same. In a magnetic field, why wouldn't an electromagnetic field disrupt it? You could walk through a factory floor, past production machines, and your 3.5 inch disk could be damaged by the electromagnetic fields... http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/23/smart-guns-electromagnetic-pulse-and-planning-for-unknown-probability-dangers/ http://duncanlong.com/science-fiction-fantasy-short-stories/smart-guns.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/03/18/0811194106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 ... Oh... So now we care about scientists have to say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I see woody posted something. Probably some snarky comment. Ignore is nice, except it always tells me that there is a comment I'm ignoring.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I see woody posted something. Probably some snarky comment. Ignore is nice, except it always tells me that there is a comment I'm ignoring.... It was a snarky comment, but that doesn't make it untrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 It was a snarky comment, but that doesn't make it untrue It doesn't make it true either. Regardless of how anyone else wants to think about the issue that concerns woody so much Cal chooses to agree with the minority of scientists who don't seem quite as alarmed. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 A magnetic ring pulling a trigger block out of the way is a mechanical process, rather than an electrical process. EMPs would knock out any electrical process (like finger-print scanners?) but would not impact a magnetic field like that. At least, that's my understanding - perhaps someone with some kind of physics background can correct me? Do we have anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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