DawgPoundDaily - Browns showing interest in ILB Denzel Perryman

[WalterWhite]

My favorite player in the draft. He is the run stuffer/Chris Borland type player we need to stop the fun especially in a division with Leveon Bell and Jeremy Hill.

 

Ferocious hitter that would give our defense some attitude.

 

 

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[7moses7]

Benerdrick McKinney from Miss. St. looks to be a thumper .

[WalterWhite]

Benerdrick McKinney from Miss. St. looks to be a thumper .

 

I watched a lot of his games and came away unimpressed. He has the size but I didn't the "it"

 

Another good ILB is Eric Kendricks out of UCLA

[OldBrownsFan]

When the Browns can stop the run game with their excellent secondary they will be firing on all cylinders and be one great defense.

[jrb12711]

I definitely would not be against this. I'd love to shore up the defensive side of the ball with our early picks (which is what a lot of the great teams do).

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Wouldn't mind him in the second. I'd pass in the first.

 

I would love to see something like this.

 

1a. Kevin White, WR, WVU

 

-6'3", 210 lbs. Not going to blow anyone away in the 40 (think mid 4.4 range), but White is above average in every other aspect. We need a receiver who can go up and attack the ball in the air, and that's exactly what White does. He's a tall, strong receiver who's open even when he's covered. Gordon is gone, there's no two ways about it. Gabriel came on strong and Hawkins is a welcome asset, but we need a tall, strong guy to help free those two up. I'm full on in love with White as a prospect, I think he's going to be one of the best to come out in this draft.

 

1b. Vic Beasley, OLB/DE, Clemson

 

-6'3", 230 lbs. Beasley is undersized, but possesses that "boom or bust" quality. He's a fantastic pass rusher and, while its likely he'll play a majority of his snaps at 3-4 OLB, he still possesses the versatility to throw his hand in the dirt at 4-3 DE every once in a while. Some may be wary of drafting an undersized "pass-rushing specialist" because of the Mingo project, but Beasley is much more NFL ready than Mingo was. After the 2014 Draft, I can understand why some would want more of a sure thing in the first round, but I believe Beasley's upside is far too high to pass up. He's well-suited to become a Von Miller-like edge rusher.

 

2. Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami

 

-5'11", 244 lbs. Short, squat, mean - on paper, Perryman sounds like a great AFCN ILB. His instincts are great, he's quick in his reads, and his hips are fluid enough to cover all intermediate, rush busting routes. He's not going to take on defensive linemen with much success every Sunday, though. However, he's tough to block at the second level. He's the kind of linebacker Cleveland hasn't had in a while - a mean, stocky run stuffer.

 

3. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon

 

-6'6" 299 lbs. Fisher isn't Joe Thomas. He likely won't be a perennial Pro Bowler. He's not an athletic freak, he's not physically dominating at the point of attack. What he is, however, is a blue-collar, solid, foundational lineman. He's versatile, he's hard-working, and by all accounts he's a great teammate. If there were ever a player to exemplify the "Play like a Brown" mentality, it would likely be Fisher. With long arms and solid technique, Fisher projects at RT, but could shift inside in a pinch if need be (due to injuries).

[gftChris]

Wouldn't mind him in the second. I'd pass in the first.

 

I would love to see something like this.

 

1a. Kevin White, WR, WVU

 

 

1b. Vic Beasley, OLB/DE, Clemson

 

2. Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami

 

3. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon

I would not be mad if that happened.

[jrb12711]

Wouldn't mind him in the second. I'd pass in the first.

 

I would love to see something like this.

 

1a. Kevin White, WR, WVU

 

 

1b. Vic Beasley, OLB/DE, Clemson

 

2. Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami

 

3. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon

 

See, I'm growing so much more on the plan to not take WR's early in the draft. It can be seen plainly that first round WR talent is not required to make it to the Super Bowl. I'd much rather consider a top NT or line prospect or even an OL before WR with our top pick. I really haven't had the time to invest to look into what prospects fall where this year but there always are good WR's to be had in the late 2nd, early 3rd.

[tiamat63]

Wouldn't mind him in the second. I'd pass in the first.

 

I would love to see something like this.

 

1a. Kevin White, WR, WVU

 

 

1b. Vic Beasley, OLB/DE, Clemson

 

2. Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami

 

3. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon

The only issue I have with Beasley is him setting the edge in a 2 point stance. He's maybe 230-235 and I can't picture him being able to hold his own.

 

As a pass rusher though, I very much like the kid.

[WalterWhite]

Receiver is definitely a luxury.

 

My desire for Perryman is simple. He stops the run, lays the wood, and forces fumbles.

 

Yes he's a tad undersized and bad in coverage (similar to Borland, Zac Thomas, and Ray Lewis)

[tiamat63]

Receiver is definitely a luxury.

 

My desire for Perryman is simple. He stops the run, lays the wood, and forces fumbles.

 

Yes he's a tad undersized and bad in coverage (similar to Borland, Zac Thomas, and Ray Lewis)

Borland is pretty decent in coverage, especially for a rookie. Ray also became far more disciplined in passing lanes as his career progressed.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

 

See, I'm growing so much more on the plan to not take WR's early in the draft. It can be seen plainly that first round WR talent is not required to make it to the Super Bowl. I'd much rather consider a top NT or line prospect or even an OL before WR with our top pick. I really haven't had the time to invest to look into what prospects fall where this year but there always are good WR's to be had in the late 2nd, early 3rd.

 

I'm normally of that same mindset. I've been vociferously against taking a WR in the past few drafts for that same reason.

 

However, I believe White possesses a true talent that would be more beneficial to the growth of our team than an OL or DL would at this point. We have a solid foundation along both lines. Even losing Rubin, we have enough talent between Taylor, Bryant, Bryant, and Winn to get along without adding anyone, even a later round prospect or FA.

 

White's ability to attack the ball in midair is something we haven't had in a while. Even Gordon wasn't a forceful WR. White is open even when he isn't, which makes him a tremendous 3rd down and red zone read on top of a solid #1.

 

Another overlooked aspect is White's ability to draw the penalty, he led the NCAA is drawing pass interference calls last year if I'm not mistaken. These are the little things that tremendously help a young team with a young QB (whoever it ends up being).

 

I don't deny we need one more OL, but having three first round picks and two second round picks along the OL is a bit of a waste. You were correct in saying top tier WR talent isn't needed to make the Super Bowl. But an abundance of early picks along the offensive line isn't needed, either. Seattle has one of the

 

At one point last season, PFF had Cleveland ranked as the #1 offensive line in the NFL in terms of production. Granted, things changed when Mack went down with an injury, but the point is still there - our offensive line has the talent to not only compete, but play exceptionally well.

 

Dallas graded out as the top offensive line in 2014. They feature three first round players (LT, C, RG) an undrafted player (RG) and a 4th round player (RT). The line is a cohesive unit. You don't need to stock it with studs, you need consistency, familiarity and versatility.

[Tour2ma]

Not sold on Perryman... yet. And not just because I read one assessment that compared him to DQ.

 

Love McKinney's size and speed, but did not see a block-shedding, impact ILB in him worthy of a #1.

 

For value I keep being drawn back to Penn St's Mike Hull who I've seen projected anywhere from Rnd 3 to 5.

[jrb12711]

 

I'm normally of that same mindset. I've been vociferously against taking a WR in the past few drafts for that same reason.

 

However, I believe White possesses a true talent that would be more beneficial to the growth of our team than an OL or DL would at this point. We have a solid foundation along both lines. Even losing Rubin, we have enough talent between Taylor, Bryant, Bryant, and Winn to get along without adding anyone, even a later round prospect or FA.

 

White's ability to attack the ball in midair is something we haven't had in a while. Even Gordon wasn't a forceful WR. White is open even when he isn't, which makes him a tremendous 3rd down and red zone read on top of a solid #1.

 

Another overlooked aspect is White's ability to draw the penalty, he led the NCAA is drawing pass interference calls last year if I'm not mistaken. These are the little things that tremendously help a young team with a young QB (whoever it ends up being).

 

I don't deny we need one more OL, but having three first round picks and two second round picks along the OL is a bit of a waste. You were correct in saying top tier WR talent isn't needed to make the Super Bowl. But an abundance of early picks along the offensive line isn't needed, either. Seattle has one of the

 

At one point last season, PFF had Cleveland ranked as the #1 offensive line in the NFL in terms of production. Granted, things changed when Mack went down with an injury, but the point is still there - our offensive line has the talent to not only compete, but play exceptionally well.

 

Dallas graded out as the top offensive line in 2014. They feature three first round players (LT, C, RG) an undrafted player (RG) and a 4th round player (RT). The line is a cohesive unit. You don't need to stock it with studs, you need consistency, familiarity and versatility.

 

I hear what you're saying. I actually get that vibe of what you're saying about White from Parker the WR from Louisville. I happen to catch their bowl game and he had an almost Larry Fitzgerald type of vibe going on-we're throwing the ball to him no matter what and he's still good enough to beat you type deal. That could easily be the case for White but I can freely admit I know nothing about him.

 

My thing is at first glance I'd agree that on paper we have good depth, but the proof on the field was different to me. I'm of the mindset as well that you can't have enough DL depth and adding a top DE and/or NT would be fine with me. Obviously ILB is a priority as well but that's a position we can snag in a later round at least according to how things are grading out now. I can see what you're saying about OL depth too but it's hard to avoid seeing the trend of WR draft positions on elite teams.

 

Overall, I think the Browns have a legit chance to become a top 3 defense in the NFL by adding good, top talent in the draft. If we made the DL our anchor with another good pick and added another pass rusher it could be really, really good. That's something I'd rather see the team do.

[Clevfan4life]

Perryman isn't worth the 1st pick but if the Browns feel he won't be there in the 2nd than they have to pull the trigger on him. This year i'm not sold on taking a WR in the 1st simply because there's so many elite WR's in FA and with our cap space we're gonna get at least one of em. Bringing in a rookie WR with the unknowns this year at QB, doesn't seem like a wise decision to me. And also no on Beasley...he's even smaller than Mingo. Again with the kind of 3-4 OLB'ers available in FA...we can't use a high draft pick on that position. Abraham, Orakpo..Worilds....we're gonna get one of those guys. I want the guy on the other side of the jack OLB'er (Kruger) to be a smaller guy who can also run out into coverage....but not 230lbs. We have a guy like that already we can bring in on certain downs. I don't want to have two edge defense liabilities on the team.

[miktoxic]

i think white will be available at the 1b pick.

[tiamat63]

i think white will be available at the 1b pick.

 

19? Not a chance, especially after the combine.

[Hunt Daddy]

Perryman and Shelton would make for an excellent draft.

[Frenchie]

Browns need 2 WR's, OT, NT, OLB, QB. That's 6 positions I want filled in FA. Let go of JG, JC, AR, JS and BS. Then you can go into the draft with more options and ability to take the best player on the board. With these positions filled in FA, we could go 1A) TE and 1B) ILB. ( for example). I just don't want to go into the draft with a glaring hole on the team. Spend that available money -Jimmy!

[tiamat63]

Browns need 2 WR's, OT, NT, OLB, QB. That's 6 positions I want filled in FA. Let go of JG, JC, AR, JS and BS. Then you can go into the draft with more options and ability to take the best player on the board. With these positions filled in FA, we could go 1A) TE and 1B) ILB. ( for example). I just don't want to go into the draft with a glaring hole on the team. Spend that available money -Jimmy!

Far too many abbreviations. I'd like to keep Buster if at all possible. I'd also consider WR, LB, NT/DE and QB all higher needs than OT.

[Frenchie]

Far too many abbreviations. I'd like to keep Buster if at all possible. I'd also consider WR, LB, NT/DE and QB all higher needs than OT.

Fair enough. Abbreviations are Josh Gordon, Jordan Cameron, A. Rubin, Jamal Sheard, and Buster Skrine. I appreciate your position on Buster but I don't agree. We have a stable of CB's ready to take his place and with more potential. I liked his scrappy style but if we could use the money elsewhere, I'd rather address a more pressing area of need.

[ballpeen]

Some decent football talk going on here. Way to go men. It usually turns in to a insulting contest after a few posts.

 

We all know our needs. The thing is that we don't know how we are going to address our needs in free agency. Face it, free agency is all about addressing needs. IMO the draft is less about that and bringing in the best players we can, not ignoring needs, but also not allowing needs to dictate the direction we take.

 

Look at it this way. What don't we need? When you look at it that way, we don't have many positions that couldn't use upgrade.

 

I like Perryman as well. I also like Dante Fowler at backer, but I doubt he falls to is at 19.

 

I also like the idea of Shelton. A Vince Wolfork type in the middle to stuff the run and the guy gets solid pressure on the QB up the middle. I'd say right now our biggest weakness is pass rush. I think improving our ability to consistently pressure the QB would be the single biggest thing we can do to impact games.

 

I am not against drafting a receiver early, but we sure don't deen blinder on and think we have to address that position in round 1. Last year was a good example. We went in to the draft saying our receivers sucked, went in to the season saying our receivers sucked, then once we got to playing, they didn't suck.

 

I view the loss of Gordon as a non-issue. We basically played last year without the guy. He was out for 10 games or whatever it was, then came back and basically did little. I actually think our team chemistry at the position dropped once he returned.

 

I'd make a push to get Austin back in the fold, and make a solid play for one of the free agent receivers, then draft a guy where it makes sense. That might be round 1 for a guy like White, or a little later for one of the next tier players. As someone said, receivers tend to come out from all positions in the draft. If the guy can catch, has proven to be a hard worker, you can teach him the rest. In the sceheme of things, I rate receiver pretty low on the importance scale when compared to other positions on offense. The reason is that everything else needs to be working effectivly in order for receivers to be able to do their thing. If the blocking, running the ball, and QB play aren't there, receivers are going to be fairly limited in what they can do.

 

So, on O, we obviously need to settle the QB position. I'd like to make a push for Bradford if he become a free agent. We have seen the Brian Hoyer show. It isn't going to get any better. Manziel isn't yet finished, but at this point it isn't looking very good. We have to bring in a bridge QB to cover for the likely Manziel bust. If he doesn't, who would be unhappy with that?

 

Next we need a RT. Schwartz is a bit outmatched out there. Move him inside and we strengthen 2 positions with one draft choice. Two for ones are always good, right?

[gftChris]

Sorry peen, but I'm a little disappointed with your post. You stuck solely to football, and talked about issues with a level head. Not once did you use derogatory nicknames like 'stoolers' or 'bungles', nobody was called a troll, and there was nary a murmur of knob-gobbling or any associated activity.

 

Must try harder.

[The Gipper]

Some decent football talk going on here. Way to go men. It usually turns in to a insulting contest after a few posts.

 

We all know our needs. The thing is that we don't know how we are going to address our needs in free agency. Face it, free agency is all about addressing needs. IMO the draft is less about that and bringing in the best players we can, not ignoring needs, but also not allowing needs to dictate the direction we take.

 

Look at it this way. What don't we need? When you look at it that way, we don't have many positions that couldn't use upgrade.

I honestly think the Browns are in fairly good shape. Out of the 22 starting positions they could use help at about a half dozen.....but those are some critical positions.

 

I like Perryman as well. I also like Dante Fowler at backer, but I doubt he falls to is at 19.

 

I also like the idea of Shelton. A Vince Wolfork type in the middle to stuff the run and the guy gets solid pressure on the QB up the middle. I'd say right now our biggest weakness is pass rush. I think improving our ability to consistently pressure the QB would be the single biggest thing we can do to impact games.

 

I am not against drafting a receiver early, but we sure don't deen blinder on and think we have to address that position in round 1. Last year was a good example. We went in to the draft saying our receivers sucked, went in to the season saying our receivers sucked, then once we got to playing, they didn't suck.

I am all about strengthening the DL and LB corps as well. The Browns were like last against the run last year. Having half our DL out with injuries didn't help there.

 

I view the loss of Gordon as a non-issue. We basically played last year without the guy. He was out for 10 games or whatever it was, then came back and basically did little. I actually think our team chemistry at the position dropped once he returned.

I think it is an issue in this sense: We could use a serious stud at WR. I think the Browns have to go get one. Gordon was considered to be one....but he is not one of he doesn't play.

 

I'd make a push to get Austin back in the fold, and make a solid play for one of the free agent receivers, then draft a guy where it makes sense. That might be round 1 for a guy like White, or a little later for one of the next tier players. As someone said, receivers tend to come out from all positions in the draft. If the guy can catch, has proven to be a hard worker, you can teach him the rest. In the sceheme of things, I rate receiver pretty low on the importance scale when compared to other positions on offense. The reason is that everything else needs to be working effectivly in order for receivers to be able to do their thing. If the blocking, running the ball, and QB play aren't there, receivers are going to be fairly limited in what they can do.

I guess you can say that the two Super Bowl teams got there without a stud at WR....so your plan is viable. Still, I think it is better to have a stud than to not have a stud.

 

So, on O, we obviously need to settle the QB position. I'd like to make a push for Bradford if he become a free agent. We have seen the Brian Hoyer show. It isn't going to get any better. Manziel isn't yet finished, but at this point it isn't looking very good. We have to bring in a bridge QB to cover for the likely Manziel bust. If he doesn't, who would be unhappy with that?

I concur that a possible way to go is to bring in a "failed" veteran and see if his career can be revitalized. Historically you had guys like Jim Plunkett, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson....and others that fell flat in one location but got the fizz going elsewhere. Do you think Bradford is that kind of guy? i was thinking Locker of Sanchez, but Bradford could be in that category.

 

Next we need a RT. Schwartz is a bit outmatched out there. Move him inside and we strengthen 2 positions with one draft choice. Two for ones are always good, right?

I think The Schwartz could be OK where he is....But if they can really hook up a real hammerhead at RT then I could see your plan being workable.

[Tour2ma]

Sorry peen, but I'm a little disappointed with your post. You stuck solely to football, and talked about issues with a level head.

Yeah... what an asshole...

 

The "where are we set" approach is a good approach for an alternate take. Only area that pops up for me is our secondary.

 

O-line needs help. Unless the staff is in love with one of the few O-line back-ups we've not seen, Painter, if the right OT falls to us in round 2, I think we take one there. Starting to audition OTs to replace Thomas down the road is not a bad idea, but drafting so we can move Schwartz inside is a bad one. Mitch certainly doesn't start at OG for us as he simply could not beat out Greco. I do not think Mitch can keep DTs off of his body. I'm still "scouting" O-line, but there may be a legit inside/ outside guy in the draft around that spot.

 

If Painter is well regarded, but has been held back by his injury, then Rnd 3 OG options start looking likely. I've already mentioned I like Duke's Laken Tomlinson in another thread, but he's iffy to make it to Rnd 3.

[gftChris]

Tour, seen much of the OLs on our PS?

[Tour2ma]

You mean other than Seymore, of whom I saw too much?

 

Some memory of Painter's college footage which no longer seems to be posted. He wowed at combine where he ran sub-5.0. Strong with speed and agility. Height and especially arms seem a bit short for ideal NFL OT, so might end up inside.

 

Karim Barton moved well and had good "punch", but was really raw. Came out of small school program (Morgan St.) lacking Pass drop technique as a RT primarily. At 6'3 he's even more likely to move inside.

 

Got nothing on Bowie or Andrew McDonald.

[The Cysko Kid]

My favorite player in the draft. He is the run stuffer/Chris Borland type player we need to stop the fun especially in a division with Leveon Bell and Jeremy Hill.

 

Ferocious hitter that would give our defense some attitude.

 

 

http://dawgpounddaily.com/2015/01/24/browns-rumor-team-gave-lot-attention-miami-lb/

The fun was stopped a long time ago. No need to draft anyone for that.

[Adoug319]

Wouldn't mind him in the second. I'd pass in the first.

 

I would love to see something like this.

 

1a. Kevin White, WR, WVU

 

-6'3", 210 lbs. Not going to blow anyone away in the 40 (think mid 4.4 range), but White is above average in every other aspect. We need a receiver who can go up and attack the ball in the air, and that's exactly what White does. He's a tall, strong receiver who's open even when he's covered. Gordon is gone, there's no two ways about it. Gabriel came on strong and Hawkins is a welcome asset, but we need a tall, strong guy to help free those two up. I'm full on in love with White as a prospect, I think he's going to be one of the best to come out in this draft.

 

 

Here's a video of Kevin White vs. Alabama

 

Here's what I see:

 

I love the way he attacks the ball at the highest point. Strong body, strong hands

 

Good route running

 

Great run blocking

 

However, he does't have elite speed like you said, as you can see on the screen passes. However he's a smart runner who uses blocks wisely and cuts at the right time.

 

 

I would be happy if we got him, I wouldn't take him with our first pick though. At #19 yes, and in the 2nd round he;d be a steal

[Mudfly]

I would be happy if we got him, I wouldn't take him with our first pick though. At #19 yes, and in the 2nd round he;d be a steal

He's a looker alright. My favorite, after Cooper of course.........and I agree #19 would be the appropriate place for us to pick him (though I think he'll be gone by then)...

 

Im gonna assume that the best ones wont be coming our way, as Farmer seems like he wont be picking WR in the first round.....

 

A couple interesting ones that may fall to the 2nd or even 3rd round are Funchess (6-5") and Devin Smith(deep baller, extraordinaire!!)....