DeputyDawg Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cheers gftChris. Season ticket holder for West Ham Utd mate. Essex is Hammers country. You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cheers gftChris. Season ticket holder for West Ham Utd mate. Essex is Hammers country. You? Villa. Not sure what I did to deserve both them and the browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Wow! At least the PM and a Prince also support Villa. So who are the Browns biggest (if they have any) non Divisional rivals? I'm guessing its local teams like Detroit and Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Wow! At least the PM and a Prince also support Villa. So who are the Browns biggest (if they have any) non Divisional rivals? I'm guessing its local teams like Detroit and Chicago? Denver. I'm guessing you're relatively new to the NFL and browns, so here's some recommended reading to help you feel the pain! A football life - Cleveland 95 A football life - Paul Brown (new so you may struggle) The drive - late in the 4th quarter of the AFC championship game - winner to go to the superbowl - the browns have a TD lead, and the kickoff pins the broncos at the 1 yard line. John Elway picks this moment to really move in to 'elite' status The fumble - a year later, the browns are marching down the field in the rematch, again AFC championship game, only this time, *we're* going to win it! Until Ernest Byner fumbles at the 1 yard line, denver recovers, end of game. Red Right 88 Any list of starting QBs since the return in 99 I'm sure others have suggestions too but this is a good start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Those first two should tell you everything you need to know about why Art Modell is the single most hated man in Cleveland. Basically, the browns had paul brown - the best coach of all time, basically, he completely revolutionised everything about the game almost. Art Modell, some upstart slick knob decides to buy the club on credit, doesn't like Brown being the 'big shot' around town, so fires him, after a power struggle. The browns went from being a so-called dynasty, to an afterthought. Fast forward 30 years, and Bill Bilichek is appointed HC. We're on to a good thing, clearly, I mean this guy is the second coming of Paul Brown. The staff he brings together is now littered around the NFL and college - Ozzie Newsome, the now legendary general manager of the Ravens, Nick Saban, the top coach in recent college history, I don't know how many more that went on to become GMs or HCs around the country. Art Modell decides in his infinite wisdom to move the team to Baltimore - some lame excuse about the city helping to fund a stadium. They take the players and staff, though BB left. Newsome has gone on to build multiple superbowl winning teams that basically should have been Cleveland's, starting in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I mean seriously, if the browns aren't stolen from Cleveland, we have Ozzie Newsome as GM and Bill Belichick as HC. Fuck. Fucking fucking Art Modell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cheers gftChris. I know the 96 treachery and the treatment of Brown part as this was why I became a Browns fan. The injustice and treachery hit a nerve!! Up until 96-99 I was basically just following the NFL and didn't really have any favourites though overtime it got narrowed down to the Buffalo Bills and Browns. When the Browns returned it was the only team for me. Its only in the last couple of years I've started really reading in to it and following the progress through the whole year not just in the autumn, I mean Fall. Some of the game day technicalities/play calls and terminology I'm not quite up to speed on- but generally yes I'm a rookie at this. I have another year left on my season ticket at West Ham (Stratford year) then I'm thinking of spending the equivalent on the Browns each year (including hoping to travel to watch a game in October). I'm a member of the British BullDawgs Browns Backers and have been ever since they started in fact, but I don't travel in to Leicester Square each Sunday preferring to stay at home and follow games. My wife designed the original emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I used to post on another Browns board many moons ago, but only briefly. There was a guy called Limaguy on there who was great. Can't remember the board name though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 OK cool, no history lessons needed then! I keep meaning to make it over to the hippodrome one of these days to watch a game - though not the next one at 1:30am. Maybe we can get a contingent together to go and watch there at some point though. I've got a feeling the browns are coming to london some time in the next year or two to be honest. I'm not thrilled about the fans losing a home game but you can bet your backside I'll be there. There's something like 12 games in the next three years, across wembley, twickenham and WHL, probably about 20 teams going to be involved, and the browns haven't been yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Guess I will have to stay with my sister in High Wycombe. Funny story there. Much to her husband's chagrin, he did not even know she was American until after he had proposed. Went to Venezuela at age 6 and speaks near perfect Venezuelan Spanish, South African English, Afrikaans and Londonese whatever that is. All with no foreign accents. Just to prove to him where she came from she slipped into her Texas drawl. He had made the mistake of not meeting her until she had lived/worked in London about 6 months. That's all it takes her to pick up any language or dialect. I'm sure when she goes to Spain with us in a couple of years she will be lisping that Castilian Spanish within the first week. I will still sound like a back-jungle 50 years rusty Venezolano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well if the Browns come to London I will be there, but I sure hope it ain't a home game! Maybe some of us from this board could meet at the Hippodrome as you say, but definitely not the next one!! My brother is a Bengals fanatic and was the one who first introduced me to the Browns back in the 90's so he would come along too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Take the best player available at any position. Its a new GM's dream when the scouting is done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'd would do it in reverse. The first couple of rounds, the player can come from any school. As you get deeper in to the draft, I only select players from the power 5 as they have played against better competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well if the Browns come to London I will be there, but I sure hope it ain't a home game! Maybe some of us from this board could meet at the Hippodrome as you say, but definitely not the next one!! My brother is a Bengals fanatic and was the one who first introduced me to the Browns back in the 90's so he would come along too. You and gftchris let me know when you want to do this, I know someone in the casino industry who should be able to get us a table and a few perks for the evening at Hippodrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Sounds like we have a plan coming to fruition soon! Nice one LondonBrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 There's some others on here I'm sure that could make the small jounrey - Howie and the gang that normally travel over once a year maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Villa. Not sure what I did to deserve both them and the browns. You Randy Lerner's cousin? I see AV is like in last place......doesn't that mean relegation to the "minor leagues"? We are just lucky we don't have that system here....as RAndy would have gotten the Browns relegated long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I mean seriously, if the browns aren't stolen from Cleveland, we have Ozzie Newsome as GM and Bill Belichick as HC. Fuck. Fucking fucking Art Modell. That is too simplistic to conclude. Butterfly effect and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'd would do it in reverse. The first couple of rounds, the player can come from any school. As you get deeper in to the draft, I only select players from the power 5 as they have played against better competition. Interesting. Though note, like I said, this past season, all 12 draftees were from P5 schools. Not sure if Farmer was following a "big school philosophy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 There's some others on here I'm sure that could make the small jounrey - Howie and the gang that normally travel over once a year maybe? Yes, they do. Howie, Gareth, Kmac. You should connect with them. Health issues prevented some from coming this year, but hopefully next year they will be back on track. (not that the Browns will be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Would be great to meet all those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeputyDawg Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 London Bengal did some research on the Bungals drafting strategy which I think is very useful to know so I'm passing it on, as it was asked originally. I'm not claiming credit for this. They pick a lot from SEC- 34 picks out of 89. These are split evenly between SEC East and West, mainly West in the last 5 drafts. Next biggest is PAC 12 with 19 picks. PAC 10 has 15 picks and their go to colleges seem to be Michigan and Michigan State. Big 12 has 15 picks, but half of those came in 2010-11.They only picked 2 low round draft picks from Ohio since 2003. Last is Atlantic Coast with 11 picks. When they pick from USC they tend to hit pay check. Recent years they have gone to TCU- once for Dalton and again this year. Is this a scout that knows the Division well? They also do well picking from Rutgers so obviously another good scout in the region? So their traditional hunting grounds are SEC and Big 10 East. In SEC their most successful drafts have been with Georgia and LSU and in Big 10 with Michigan State. They also seem to have drafted well from Atlantic Coast in recent years. In the Marvin era (2003-) 75.42% drafted from Power 5 and 35 picks have been successes (open to opinion) which gives a 32% success rate for Power 5 drafting. 66% are taken in the first 3 rounds. Their drafting skills has got better over time so this % will be higher more recently. Also what makes a good draft? For example if a player is drafted, sees out his contract and then leaves in FA how good a draft is that? If someone is excellent, but is ruined by injury/drugs how good a draft is that considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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